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Delnyn
Master of Realmslore
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 Posted - 03 Apr 2025 : 18:58:59
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| Yes, ghazneths are individuals each with unique characteristics. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 03 Apr 2025 : 23:47:55
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Originally posted by Delnyn
Maybe include shadowstaves, wizshades, wingless wonders, ghaunadans and ghazneths?
Nice ones. I had ghaunadans in there, but not shadowstaves and I must’ve accidentally deleted the wingless wonders (thought I had them!). Wizshades I believe were originally introduced as a Spelljammer creature which is still certainly do, but at the end of the list for FR. If this book is popular, I might actually do en entire SJ bestiary next. From what I remember about ghazneths, aren’t they individuals? Like each one with unique abilities and appearances?
Wizshades are a Spelljammer thing, but Ed seems to really like them -- they frequently pop up in his 2E material.
I wouldn't even try to touch ghazneths, myself... As presented, they seem to have been created purely as a plot device, and there are issues with the lore surrounding them... Like the fact that they all supposedly betrayed Cormyr, but one's "betrayal" was leaving her husband before there was a Cormyr, and the "betrayal" of another was trying to save a member of the Royal Family instead of following orders. |
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Seethyr
Master of Realmslore
USA
1217 Posts |
Posted - 04 Apr 2025 : 02:32:32
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I wouldn't even try to touch ghazneths, myself... As presented, they seem to have been created purely as a plot device, and there are issues with the lore surrounding them... Like the fact that they all supposedly betrayed Cormyr, but one's "betrayal" was leaving her husband before there was a Cormyr, and the "betrayal" of another was trying to save a member of the Royal Family instead of following orders.
Interesting. Didn't even think of them as not being as awful as I remember them.
Here's the Song Dragon by the way. It's my daughter's favorite and she said "you really should let them see that one...
She's also doing some of the art now.
Song Dragon Page 1: https://i.imgur.com/c9KlqId.png
Song Dragon Page 2: https://i.imgur.com/zHBK7TL.png |
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Seethyr
Master of Realmslore
USA
1217 Posts |
Posted - 07 Apr 2025 : 01:28:53
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| I have access to pretty much every Dragon Magazine, but not all Dungeon or Polyhedron. Does anyone know if any monsters were introduced in either magazine that haven't been seen elsewhere. This is not including the Malatran creatures that were in a bunch of issues, those are for another day and project. |
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Gary Dallison
Great Reader
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Seethyr
Master of Realmslore
USA
1217 Posts |
Posted - 07 Apr 2025 : 19:14:55
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For the Song Dragon, i have it on good authority that they should just be considered were dragons.
My personal theory is that the Song Dragons Ed spoke of in particular are one family of were dragons, and their names should have "Song" in it somewhere or something that sounds like "Song" phonetically.
I think at best that warrants a name change, not a change in statistics. Dragons are so different from wolves and bears and boars that it’s difficult to make a comparison or the werecreature statistical standards set by other lycanthropes. At some point terminology becomes moot.
Edit: Okay, made the necessary changes. Thank you for the tip.
Here is an updated TOC: https://i.imgur.com/fTQ75WO.png |
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Lord Null
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 09 Apr 2025 : 21:55:49
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Seethyr
Master of Realmslore
USA
1217 Posts |
Posted - 11 Apr 2025 : 03:25:58
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Originally posted by Lord Null
dracohydra from the first Draconomicon.
I think this one was updated in Fizban's already.
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Would you be interested in creatures Ed created for 1st edition?
Oh absolutely. I even rifled through the old Dragon's Bestiaries (from Dragon Magazine) for ones that were never updated to get them as well. Let me know if you know of anything other than the ones that are in MC3, MC11 or MoF. As far as Dragon's Bestiaries go, I already did the Duleep (Living Web), Alkada (Wingless Wonder), Aratha (Killer Beetle), Curst, Stroan, and Quezzer. I will try the Scythetail, Flailtail, Seastar, Xaver, Xantrathar and Lythlyx too.
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Or the Obsidian dragon since Sardior has worshippers in the realms
Just so the list doesn't get unmanageable, I am trying to limit this to creatures that originated in a FR product. I have about 80 done now with 100 or so to go. Oddly though, if you are interested I updated the Obsidian Dragon a long time ago and screenshotted the stats I had worked up back then for you. The format is a little outdated now unfortunately.
Page 1: https://i.imgur.com/TEKKiaO.png
Page 2: https://i.imgur.com/ipuyAhS.png
Page 3: https://i.imgur.com/kdT4tQk.png
Page 4: https://i.imgur.com/se6qlOQ.png |
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Lord Null
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 11 Apr 2025 : 03:48:46
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Seethyr
Master of Realmslore
USA
1217 Posts |
Posted - 11 Apr 2025 : 03:58:07
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Electrum dragon
Will do. Probably next actually. AJ Pickett has a great YouTube video on them too.
I have done the Mist Dragon, Weredragon and Brown Dragon so far. Looking at the Electrum, Yellow, Mercury, Steel and Fang next. Dragons are tough to gauge their power levels for CR. |
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Delnyn
Master of Realmslore
USA
1033 Posts |
Posted - 11 Apr 2025 : 15:19:55
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Seethyr
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 11 Apr 2025 : 17:15:59
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Another entry would be thaluud, aka, tomb tappers. Will your guide include templates as well as monsters? The examples of which I think are: archlich, baelnorn, Banelich and beast of Xvim.
They did thaluud I believe in the Rime of the Frostmaiden adventure already.
I am trying to follow the format that the MM2024 used which didn’t do templates per se, though I would consider their versions of “knight, guard, etc” a similar concept. With that being said they turned old templates into actual monsters with maybe a few examples of the monster. For example, I’m working on a telthor now (from Rashemen) but will do a human telthor and a wolf telthor.
I actually finished baelnorn and I’ll gladly link it later tonight.
For the archlich, do you consider that more SJ or FR? I’m actually not sure.
Banelich I haven’t gotten to yet and I haven’t figured out what powers of theirs to really distinguish them from the updated lich.
Beast of Xvim I believe eventually became the Beasts of Bane? I’m not sure how I’m going to generalize them for all campaigns non FR. Same with the Beasts of Malar. Do you think a simple name change like “Beast of Tyranny” and “Beast of Savagery” would be too drastic a change on my part? |
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Gary Dallison
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Seethyr
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 11 Apr 2025 : 19:14:55
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There are at least two archliches that i know of in realmslore. I dont know anything about Spelljammer so cannot comment about how prevalent they are there.
I'm pretty sure Ed was rather fond of the archlich type eternal non living good guy. I tend to view baelnorn as being an elven specific version of an archlich, but i could be wrong in that regard.
Absolutely. They were both under the entry “Lich, Good” in Monsters of Faerun so I think there is a lot of overlap. I’d think that “normal” archliches selection of spells is more from the wizard list and baelnorn might have some druidic spells intermixed. Monsters in 5e don’t choose spells from a single list anymore so it’s very feasible to make this the major difference. |
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Lord Null
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 11 Apr 2025 : 21:23:02
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Seethyr
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 11 Apr 2025 : 22:15:32
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rappers would be nice. could make a template for realms dragon types only
Like Eminem? 
Thank you, forgot to put trappers on my list. |
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Lord Null
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 12 Apr 2025 : 03:48:24
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TBeholder
Great Reader
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Posted - 12 Apr 2025 : 13:28:55
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Originally posted by Lord Null
meant from best of dragon magazine #3 (rappers)
"Best of" means it's a pick from the earlier lublications. In this case, The Gods of the Dwarves by Roger E. Moore in Dragon #58. |
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Seethyr
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 12 Apr 2025 : 22:10:07
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meant from best of dragon magazine #3 (rappers)
Finally found my old paper copy. Pretty cool concept that would go great in Dwarves Deep. |
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Seethyr
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