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Seethyr
Master of Realmslore
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 Posted - 04 Jan 2025 : 18:41:55
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
The Hooded One once commented that a TSR staffer had said that not all of Realmspace was considered canon by TSR -- but she didn't have anything more specific than that.
I’m hoping this only applies to the stuff that contradicts 5e SJ like the existence of phlogiston and such. I hope it doesn’t apply to the general understanding of what exists upon each world. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 05 Jan 2025 : 16:50:39
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Originally posted by Seethyr
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
The Hooded One once commented that a TSR staffer had said that not all of Realmspace was considered canon by TSR -- but she didn't have anything more specific than that.
I’m hoping this only applies to the stuff that contradicts 5e SJ like the existence of phlogiston and such. I hope it doesn’t apply to the general understanding of what exists upon each world.
Unfortunately, there was no other information.
If I had to speculate, though, I'd point out that a lot of what Realmspace has to say about Toril is not backed up by published Realmslore.
And though I know my opinion is not universal, I've always found the Leirans living on Selûne to be problematic at best. |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
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Posted - 05 Jan 2025 : 21:20:54
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Originally posted by Seethyr
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
The Hooded One once commented that a TSR staffer had said that not all of Realmspace was considered canon by TSR -- but she didn't have anything more specific than that.
I’m hoping this only applies to the stuff that contradicts 5e SJ like the existence of phlogiston and such. I hope it doesn’t apply to the general understanding of what exists upon each world.
Technically even the phlogiston can still exist with 5e SJ. Essentially, it would seem that the crystal spheres themselves have just "phased" away due to an interaction with the astral (or rather, modern helms somehow phase away the crystal sphere and make it astrally permeable as one approaches it). They may still exist around a "wildspace system" or whatever its called in 5e and the flow "may exist on the other side". All that to say "it can still work the old way, it just seems that somehow all helms were suddenly changed". |
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ericlboyd
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
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Posted - 06 Jan 2025 : 16:06:33
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I think I've figured out a way to explain the human and elven worshipers of Leira living on Selune.
I'm working through a history of the islands and undersea realms of the Trackless Sea. I think I've figured out how to get the aquatic elves to Karpri as well.
I've written up the High History of Bral, if the DM puts it in Realmspace, as well.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 07 Jan 2025 : 00:07:06
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| As a long time tinkerer on the subject of human and elven worshippers of Leira on Selune… I’m eager to see what you’ve come up with. |
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varyar
Learned Scribe
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
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Posted - 08 Jan 2025 : 01:17:02
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Originally posted by ericlboyd
I think I've figured out a way to explain the human and elven worshipers of Leira living on Selune.
I'm working through a history of the islands and undersea realms of the Trackless Sea. I think I've figured out how to get the aquatic elves to Karpri as well.
I've written up the High History of Bral, if the DM puts it in Realmspace, as well.
--Eric
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 08 Jan 2025 : 12:20:53
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To me, getting the Leirans there is less of an issue than explaining how they are hedonistic, readily welcoming of outsiders, and for no readily apparent reason deeply paranoid about an invasion from Toril. (Though apparently not so paranoid that they'd realize scouts for an invasion could lie and say they're from elsewhere)
Oh, and they worship Leira and yet there's no mention of using illusions or any other kind of deception in their everyday life. Sure, there's the big illusion over the place, but that's pretty much the only Leira-like thing about the place. |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
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Posted - 08 Jan 2025 : 13:43:51
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
To me, getting the Leirans there is less of an issue than explaining how they are hedonistic, readily welcoming of outsiders, and for no readily apparent reason deeply paranoid about an invasion from Toril. (Though apparently not so paranoid that they'd realize scouts for an invasion could lie and say they're from elsewhere)
Oh, and they worship Leira and yet there's no mention of using illusions or any other kind of deception in their everyday life. Sure, there's the big illusion over the place, but that's pretty much the only Leira-like thing about the place.
Deceptions dear sir..... deceptions... they are quite "welcoming"... so that they can see who is there, catalog their activities, survey them for weaknesses, exploit them if necessary ..... and make them disappear quietly in an environment controlled by the Leirans if they deem it necessary. I refer you to the episode in the original Battlestar Galactica series in which they landed on a planet (Carillon) that had a massive casino where they were harvesting players and hiding them away to be eaten.
Of course, I personally want (at least some of) the elves to not be elves, but rather "ellefolk" (aka the Arak... but a branch of them with no relation to Ravenloft or the leader Arak... and who might look at you quizzically if you mentioned the Arak or "shadow fey" of Ravenloft.... and I prefer they be affected such that they breed true in realmspace... no tiny faerie like fey giving birth to someone that grows into a being human sized or vice versa). |
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TBeholder
Great Reader
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Posted - 08 Jan 2025 : 15:57:49
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
To me, getting the Leirans there is less of an issue than explaining how they are hedonistic, readily welcoming of outsiders,
Why not?
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and for no readily apparent reason deeply paranoid about an invasion from Toril.
Well, there was a little incident when someone tried to shoot the King-Killer Star, but missed.
So... one fine day an absurdly overpowered magical discharge blows up a huge chunk of their backyard. Presumably a lot of that stone rained back and made a huge mess everywhere else too. But some fragments stuck as The Tears and now remind of this even far outside the regions where landscape is still visibly damaged.
Not something easy to dismiss, is it?
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Oh, and they worship Leira and yet there's no mention of using illusions or any other kind of deception in their everyday life. Sure, there's the big illusion over the place, but that's pretty much the only Leira-like thing about the place.
How detailed itis, anyway? Not a whole lot. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 08 Jan 2025 : 23:08:14
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| My own thoughts suggest that, until we hear otherwise, Leira's illusion simply isn't what it used to be. It may be that it has decayed somewhat, with Leira herself having once disappeared , the worshippers had nothing to pray to in order to continue benefiting from Leira's "gift." Cyric taking on the illusion is an interesting prospect, perhaps even having him posing as Leira for a time. Though, I'd imagine he's only doing this because he feels he can eventually turn this sizable portion of Leira-worshippers to him and increase his power beyond Toril itself. |
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