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Dalor Darden
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 Posted - 27 Oct 2020 : 22:50:33
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Look at the first quote you made and realize you are ONLY seeing what you want to see:
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Mortals cannot directly shape raw magic. Instead, most who wield magic make use of the Weave. The Weave is the manifestation of raw magic, a kind of interface between the will of a spellcaster and the stuff of raw magic.(3rd Ed. FRCS, pg.55)
Your whole argument is consistently locked in your own thinking and not SEEING what others are writing. MOST who wield magic...not ALL who use magic.
After that your argument is moot. |
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Edited by - Dalor Darden on 27 Oct 2020 22:59:40 |
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cpthero2
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 27 Oct 2020 : 23:13:14
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Great Reader Darden,
Thank you for your reply!
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Look at the first quote you made and realize you are ONLY seeing what you want to see: quote:
Mortals cannot directly shape raw magic. Instead, most who wield magic make use of the Weave. The Weave is the manifestation of raw magic, a kind of interface between the will of a spellcaster and the stuff of raw magic.(3rd Ed. FRCS, pg.55)
There is no small amount of irony in there. Out of that entire rebuttal, you respond to one sentence of a quote alone. That point you are making is specifically addressed in my counter-claim throughout my rebuttal, which is heavily predicated upon the notion of "ever-present energies."
Effectively, it is evidence suppression, or colloquially referred to as "cherry-picking": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry_picking#:~:text=Cherry%20picking%2C%20suppressing%20evidence%2C%20or,that%20may%20contradict%20that%20position.
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Your whole argument is consistently locked in your own thinking and not SEEING what others are writing. MOST who wield magic...not ALL who use magic.
I am quite glad to address this rebuttal from you as well. Thank you for the opportunity.
The notion of quote:
MOST who wield magic...not ALL who use magic.
was addressed by me in identifying that the OTHERS are not accessing another structure of magic, they are accessing the same platform of magic, using different forms.
I'd definitely interested in hearing your thoughts on that.
Best regards,
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cpthero2
Great Reader
USA
2286 Posts |
Posted - 07 Nov 2020 : 18:13:39
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Senior Scribe TheIriaeban,
I forgot to mention that I very much liked your consideration of garnering power from some other process of harnessing that energy. In fact, in another scroll I was just commenting on [Earth's Similarities to the Realms, http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=23657&whichpage=2], I was commenting on how cross-pollination, or rather the lack of it, was interesting. This just made me think if gaining access to magic from another location might be possible? That would be a huge issue with magic in the Realms for sure, from a power position perspective.
Best regards,
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Naralex
Acolyte
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Posted - 13 Nov 2024 : 13:23:59
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Originally posted by cpthero2
Great Reader Darden,
Thank you for your reply!
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Look at the first quote you made and realize you are ONLY seeing what you want to see: quote:
Mortals cannot directly shape raw magic. Instead, most who wield magic make use of the Weave. The Weave is the manifestation of raw magic, a kind of interface between the will of a spellcaster and the stuff of raw magic.(3rd Ed. FRCS, pg.55)
There is no small amount of irony in there. Out of that entire rebuttal, you respond to one sentence of a quote alone. That point you are making is specifically addressed in my counter-claim throughout my rebuttal, which is heavily predicated upon the notion of "ever-present energies."
Effectively, it is evidence suppression, or colloquially referred to as "cherry-picking": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry_picking#:~:text=Cherry%20picking%2C%20suppressing%20evidence%2C%20or,that%20may%20contradict%20that%20position.
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Your whole argument is consistently locked in your own thinking and not SEEING what others are writing. MOST who wield magic...not ALL who use magic.
I am quite glad to address this rebuttal from you as well. Thank you for the opportunity.
The notion of quote:
MOST who wield magic...not ALL who use magic.
was addressed by me in identifying that the OTHERS are not accessing another structure of magic, they are accessing the same platform of magic, using different forms.
I'd definitely interested in hearing your thoughts on that.
Best regards,
I had to turn to the dark art of necromancy because I feel that this is an important topic that deserves a resolution. I have personally been researching the question of whether magic can be accessed through means other than the weave for a couple of days now, and this is how I discovered this thread.
The weave is merely a method, an interface to tap into the raw, ever-present energies, but it is by no means synonymous with those energies.
Like you yourself mentioned in the very beginning of your argument, Great Reader Cpthero2, referencing what Ed said -
"the Weave is the predominant and "most correct" (and thus, most powerful) means of harnessing natural energies"
To further reinforce - this is Ed's video dive-in topic, and he says explicitly at around 6:30 mark
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXFbgsFy1Xc&t=399s
That there are other ways of accessing magic. Being that this video is from 2023 and coming straight from the creator of FR, this is a definitive and hopefully final ruling on the matter.
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