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Zeromaru X
Great Reader
Colombia
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 Posted - 25 Feb 2022 : 19:21:43
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Obviously, Realmsian construction companies are top notch!
It's magic! |
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TheIriaeban
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 25 Feb 2022 : 20:21:52
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Originally posted by Zeromaru X
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Obviously, Realmsian construction companies are top notch!
It's magic!
Use people to build stuff? Perish the thought. Especially if you have secret doors/hallways/rooms. Magic saves you the trouble of having to hunt down everyone who worked on the project and kill them. With magic, you only need kill the engineer who designed the structure. No muss, no fuss. Easy-peasy buildings and tunnels today.
(Warning: please to not attempt to kill the mage casting these spells to build your structures. You will have the structure of your dreams to live out the rest of your days in. However short that may be in your current form or condition if you cross us.) |
"Iriaebor is a fine city. So what if you can have violence between merchant groups break out at any moment. Not every city can offer dinner AND a show."
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
11829 Posts |
Posted - 26 Feb 2022 : 17:01:16
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by sleyvas
So, then that makes the whole question of Amruthar pretty odd, since it goes from a ruined city with a fire mummy, to a pretty place with people living there in just... six or 8 years? No explanation even why. I haven't gotten around to the cities yet, but since Krash noticed this, I figured I'd look. Wonder about the area that was labeled "the High Desert" in 4e lore, or are we back to Thay being somehow fertile everywhere? Will have to keep that in the back of my mind as I delve more. Maybe they will have some sort of explanation buried in the book.... after all, the gaping pit that was the shaar got filled in (which I like).
Urban destruction in the Realms seems to get undone very quickly. Zhentil Keep was rebuilt in 10 years; Myth Drannor was somehow rebuilt and cleansed of twisted magic and lurking baddies in just five years... Obviously, Realmsian construction companies are top notch!
Remind me (serious here) what happened to "destroy" Zhentil Keep (twice)? Just curious if it can reasonably compare to a volcano opening under the streets and earthquakes tearing the place to shreds. Obviously, anything can theoretically be done with magic. Definitely should be something with something of an explanation though. |
Alavairthae, may your skill prevail
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TheIriaeban
Master of Realmslore
USA
1289 Posts |
Posted - 26 Feb 2022 : 17:23:22
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Originally posted by sleyvas
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by sleyvas
So, then that makes the whole question of Amruthar pretty odd, since it goes from a ruined city with a fire mummy, to a pretty place with people living there in just... six or 8 years? No explanation even why. I haven't gotten around to the cities yet, but since Krash noticed this, I figured I'd look. Wonder about the area that was labeled "the High Desert" in 4e lore, or are we back to Thay being somehow fertile everywhere? Will have to keep that in the back of my mind as I delve more. Maybe they will have some sort of explanation buried in the book.... after all, the gaping pit that was the shaar got filled in (which I like).
Urban destruction in the Realms seems to get undone very quickly. Zhentil Keep was rebuilt in 10 years; Myth Drannor was somehow rebuilt and cleansed of twisted magic and lurking baddies in just five years... Obviously, Realmsian construction companies are top notch!
Remind me (serious here) what happened to "destroy" Zhentil Keep (twice)? Just curious if it can reasonably compare to a volcano opening under the streets and earthquakes tearing the place to shreds. Obviously, anything can theoretically be done with magic. Definitely should be something with something of an explanation though.
Not to be flippant but the Second Sundering undid what happened to Amruthar. When AO rewrote the Tablets of Fate, there must have been something in there that required the old version of Amruthar instead of the destroyed one. Does the new book make any reference to a god or priomordial being linked to that city? Or, was there a god or primordial linked to the destruction of the city? If so, the removal of that linkage may be what brought it back. It is very likely that anyone in Armuthar when it "came back" has no memory of the city's destruction. For them, that never happened. That erasure may effect everyone of non-divine stature so no one remembers that it was destroyed.
Edit: fixed typo. |
"Iriaebor is a fine city. So what if you can have violence between merchant groups break out at any moment. Not every city can offer dinner AND a show."
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 27 Feb 2022 : 05:37:43
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Originally posted by sleyvas
Remind me (serious here) what happened to "destroy" Zhentil Keep (twice)? Just curious if it can reasonably compare to a volcano opening under the streets and earthquakes tearing the place to shreds. Obviously, anything can theoretically be done with magic. Definitely should be something with something of an explanation though.
Shade flattened it, for reasons. And also for reasons, the Zhents decided to show their strength by saying "Yeah, our enemies flattened our home base, and even though we've rebuilt before, we're just going to run and hide this time." |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
11829 Posts |
Posted - 28 Feb 2022 : 20:02:52
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Originally posted by TheIriaeban
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Originally posted by sleyvas
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by sleyvas
So, then that makes the whole question of Amruthar pretty odd, since it goes from a ruined city with a fire mummy, to a pretty place with people living there in just... six or 8 years? No explanation even why. I haven't gotten around to the cities yet, but since Krash noticed this, I figured I'd look. Wonder about the area that was labeled "the High Desert" in 4e lore, or are we back to Thay being somehow fertile everywhere? Will have to keep that in the back of my mind as I delve more. Maybe they will have some sort of explanation buried in the book.... after all, the gaping pit that was the shaar got filled in (which I like).
Urban destruction in the Realms seems to get undone very quickly. Zhentil Keep was rebuilt in 10 years; Myth Drannor was somehow rebuilt and cleansed of twisted magic and lurking baddies in just five years... Obviously, Realmsian construction companies are top notch!
Remind me (serious here) what happened to "destroy" Zhentil Keep (twice)? Just curious if it can reasonably compare to a volcano opening under the streets and earthquakes tearing the place to shreds. Obviously, anything can theoretically be done with magic. Definitely should be something with something of an explanation though.
Not to be flippant but the Second Sundering undid what happened to Amruthar. When AO rewrote the Tablets of Fate, there must have been something in there that required the old version of Amruthar instead of the destroyed one. Does the new book make any reference to a god or priomordial being linked to that city? Or, was there a god or primordial linked to the destruction of the city? If so, the removal of that linkage may be what brought it back. It is very likely that anyone in Armuthar when it "came back" has no memory of the city's destruction. For them, that never happened. That erasure may effect everyone of non-divine stature so no one remembers that it was destroyed.
Edit: fixed typo.
Its not definitive, but they hint that Kossuth has ties to the area, but at the same time it's also likely that the ties are to a major artifact that was buried beneath the city (and could be both).
I'd bw fine with this explanation if it were added with some clarifications. It's just "there's some story here", since no other area that I know of affected memory of what it was like before. Ignoring that they changed it, if they realized, that's just a lapse and we're throwing together a fix. |
Alavairthae, may your skill prevail
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TheIriaeban
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 01 Mar 2022 : 02:31:41
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Originally posted by sleyvas
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Originally posted by TheIriaeban
Not to be flippant but the Second Sundering undid what happened to Amruthar. When AO rewrote the Tablets of Fate, there must have been something in there that required the old version of Amruthar instead of the destroyed one. Does the new book make any reference to a god or priomordial being linked to that city? Or, was there a god or primordial linked to the destruction of the city? If so, the removal of that linkage may be what brought it back. It is very likely that anyone in Armuthar when it "came back" has no memory of the city's destruction. For them, that never happened. That erasure may effect everyone of non-divine stature so no one remembers that it was destroyed.
Edit: fixed typo.
Its not definitive, but they hint that Kossuth has ties to the area, but at the same time it's also likely that the ties are to a major artifact that was buried beneath the city (and could be both).
I'd bw fine with this explanation if it were added with some clarifications. It's just "there's some story here", since no other area that I know of affected memory of what it was like before. Ignoring that they changed it, if they realized, that's just a lapse and we're throwing together a fix.
This isn't new. They have put stuff out before that doesn't explain why something is suddenly the way it is. It could be that the explanation was there in Ed's book and it got cut by some editor. I would suggest you ask Ed about that on Twitter. That will give the definitive answer as to why the city is back like seemingly nothing happened. |
"Iriaebor is a fine city. So what if you can have violence between merchant groups break out at any moment. Not every city can offer dinner AND a show."
My FR writeups - http://www.mediafire.com/folder/um3liz6tqsf5n/Documents
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
11829 Posts |
Posted - 01 Mar 2022 : 13:06:36
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Originally posted by TheIriaeban
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Originally posted by sleyvas
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Originally posted by TheIriaeban
Not to be flippant but the Second Sundering undid what happened to Amruthar. When AO rewrote the Tablets of Fate, there must have been something in there that required the old version of Amruthar instead of the destroyed one. Does the new book make any reference to a god or priomordial being linked to that city? Or, was there a god or primordial linked to the destruction of the city? If so, the removal of that linkage may be what brought it back. It is very likely that anyone in Armuthar when it "came back" has no memory of the city's destruction. For them, that never happened. That erasure may effect everyone of non-divine stature so no one remembers that it was destroyed.
Edit: fixed typo.
Its not definitive, but they hint that Kossuth has ties to the area, but at the same time it's also likely that the ties are to a major artifact that was buried beneath the city (and could be both).
I'd bw fine with this explanation if it were added with some clarifications. It's just "there's some story here", since no other area that I know of affected memory of what it was like before. Ignoring that they changed it, if they realized, that's just a lapse and we're throwing together a fix.
This isn't new. They have put stuff out before that doesn't explain why something is suddenly the way it is. It could be that the explanation was there in Ed's book and it got cut by some editor. I would suggest you ask Ed about that on Twitter. That will give the definitive answer as to why the city is back like seemingly nothing happened.
That excuse doesn't float when it comes to an electronic thing on dm's guild. There's no editor forcing things out to make the book smaller and cheaper to print. I do get we've heard those things in the past with WotC, but we're talking a different type of publishing now. Still going through the book, maybe there will be something I've missed. |
Alavairthae, may your skill prevail
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TheIriaeban
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 01 Mar 2022 : 14:15:22
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Originally posted by sleyvas
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Originally posted by TheIriaeban
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Originally posted by sleyvas
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Originally posted by TheIriaeban
Not to be flippant but the Second Sundering undid what happened to Amruthar. When AO rewrote the Tablets of Fate, there must have been something in there that required the old version of Amruthar instead of the destroyed one. Does the new book make any reference to a god or priomordial being linked to that city? Or, was there a god or primordial linked to the destruction of the city? If so, the removal of that linkage may be what brought it back. It is very likely that anyone in Armuthar when it "came back" has no memory of the city's destruction. For them, that never happened. That erasure may effect everyone of non-divine stature so no one remembers that it was destroyed.
Edit: fixed typo.
Its not definitive, but they hint that Kossuth has ties to the area, but at the same time it's also likely that the ties are to a major artifact that was buried beneath the city (and could be both).
I'd bw fine with this explanation if it were added with some clarifications. It's just "there's some story here", since no other area that I know of affected memory of what it was like before. Ignoring that they changed it, if they realized, that's just a lapse and we're throwing together a fix.
This isn't new. They have put stuff out before that doesn't explain why something is suddenly the way it is. It could be that the explanation was there in Ed's book and it got cut by some editor. I would suggest you ask Ed about that on Twitter. That will give the definitive answer as to why the city is back like seemingly nothing happened.
That excuse doesn't float when it comes to an electronic thing on dm's guild. There's no editor forcing things out to make the book smaller and cheaper to print. I do get we've heard those things in the past with WotC, but we're talking a different type of publishing now. Still going through the book, maybe there will be something I've missed.
It isn't just electronic. You can also get a soft or hard cover printed version. In that case, there will be a word/page limit. $49 bucks for pdf AND a hard cover print is too expensive in my opinion but I am sure some people will pay that. |
"Iriaebor is a fine city. So what if you can have violence between merchant groups break out at any moment. Not every city can offer dinner AND a show."
My FR writeups - http://www.mediafire.com/folder/um3liz6tqsf5n/Documents
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Zeromaru X
Great Reader
Colombia
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Posted - 10 Mar 2022 : 20:14:10
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It seems Samas Kul is one of Szass Tam's liches. Which means he did die at the end of Unholy. It's good to see Tam was allowed to actually kill some of the old zulkirs.
What about the fate of the others? Does the book says something about them? |
Instead of seeking change, you prefer a void, merciless abyss of a world... |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 11 Mar 2022 : 08:25:00
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Szass Tam killed almost all of the old zulkirs ... it's in RLB's "The Haunted Lands" trilogy.
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"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus |
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Zeromaru X
Great Reader
Colombia
2476 Posts |
Posted - 11 Mar 2022 : 15:17:43
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| Yeah. But I have seen some stuff denying that part. Like Ed's tweets about how Lauzoril survived and stuff. So, it's good to see not all survived. It makes more sense. |
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questing gm
Master of Realmslore
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The Masked Mage
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 09 Sep 2022 : 12:49:39
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Originally posted by Zeromaru X
Yeah. But I have seen some stuff denying that part. Like Ed's tweets about how Lauzoril survived and stuff. So, it's good to see not all survived. It makes more sense.
This is because about half of them you never see die. Lauzoril, for example just jumps off a cliff. Ever heard of feather fall? Nuff Said. Plus he had a get out of jail free card with the Simbul.
Yaphyll kind of split in half or something. That's a weird one.
Mythrell'aa is an illusionist. Simulacrum. Feign Death. Any of 1000 other plausible scenarios says she's alive.
My memory is fuzzy on the others, but lets just assume that the seven most powerful wizards in a country of wizards are capable of casting contingency magics... once you go there, any of them might be alive, or cloned, or magic jarred, or something along those lines.
The only one that is hard to walk back is Devron, who was transformed into a manes. I think you need to make a story to bring him back. Some conjuration summons him (as a manes) and then something breaks the change. |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
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Posted - 13 Sep 2022 : 23:49:09
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Originally posted by The Masked Mage
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Originally posted by Zeromaru X
Yeah. But I have seen some stuff denying that part. Like Ed's tweets about how Lauzoril survived and stuff. So, it's good to see not all survived. It makes more sense.
This is because about half of them you never see die. Lauzoril, for example just jumps off a cliff. Ever heard of feather fall? Nuff Said. Plus he had a get out of jail free card with the Simbul.
Yaphyll kind of split in half or something. That's a weird one.
Mythrell'aa is an illusionist. Simulacrum. Feign Death. Any of 1000 other plausible scenarios says she's alive.
My memory is fuzzy on the others, but lets just assume that the seven most powerful wizards in a country of wizards are capable of casting contingency magics... once you go there, any of them might be alive, or cloned, or magic jarred, or something along those lines.
The only one that is hard to walk back is Devron, who was transformed into a manes. I think you need to make a story to bring him back. Some conjuration summons him (as a manes) and then something breaks the change.
Yeah, Yaphyll Sirtula "split herself and sent a portion of herself forward in time". She then gets covered in blue fire in the present.
On the others, we never see the Zulkir of Abjuration, Lallara Mediocros, die. She sends the warmage out and stays behind to fight Tam. I actually used a story idea that Lallara Mediocros and Lauzoril Tavai both work together and hold off Tam, but he traps them in that "pocket universe"... and they get freed during the second sundering.
We do actually see the Zulkir of Transmutation, Samas Kul, get bit in half by a giant magical set of teeth in addition to what happened to the zulkir of conjuration. We also have that Aznar Thrul was killed totally outside of all that. The two "replacement" zulkirs of invocation and necromancy were killed by Nevron outside of the conflict with Tam. |
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