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| jordanz |
Posted - 17 Aug 2009 : 16:19:39
HI guys. I just read the last "Undead" Novel- missed the first two. Szass Tam alludes to an arrangement with Bane? What was the arrangement exactly? Was it for a power boost? I knew Tam was powerful but after what I read in this book it seemed like he could challenge Larloch himself. Is he a quasi diety of some sort now ? |
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| sleyvas |
Posted - 26 Apr 2022 : 01:27:04
quote:
Originally posted by Charles Phipps
Hey folks,
Just coming here for the first time.
1. I'm assuming that Szass Tam thinks that he's got the gods by the balls in all of this but is completely wrong about the ritual. I think it makes perfect sense that he believes he can create a ritual that will allow him to kill the gods and unmakle the cosmos but my inclination is that he's 100% wrong and Bane knows this. Karsus had the same sort of belief and we saw how that sort of literal dictionary definition of hubris will do things.
2. That doesn't make the ritual any less dangerous mind you as mass murder to empower someone is something that I'm sure bane plans to benefit from. But yes, with the Shadow Weave destroyed and no longer in the hands of an insane nihilist goddess, I'm pretty sure that she could just cut the feed to Szass Tam at any time they want.
3. VECNA could pull off "unmaking the universe" but we know that he is/was a Greater God and had the help of the Serpent who, in my campaigns, was either Asmodeus or Orcus and are ancient evils of immense power and knowledge. Tam is just not in Vecna's league.
4. Velsharoon getting to be God of Necromancy always felt like he was a disappointment to Talos as he's not worshiped in Thay or by the largest numbers of necromancers in the world. He has to be suffering from severe lack of worship and I wonder if he's going to become a Dead God. Still, I'm very much of the "Helm splatters Mystra despite her being a 30th level mage" school of thought, Velsharoon is a god and even a Demigod utterly would own the strongest of all mortals.
5. Speaking of which, I admit I kind of have debated the idea Xvim, Velsharoon, and Cyric are all impersonating the Dead Three versus them getting resurrected.
6. Which is to say, Szass Tam got the worst of every deal with Bane, Larloch, and Velsharoon.
The take I was going with was that Tam was tricked into performing a ritual by the Tome of Fastrin the Delver. The ritual released a lot of magical energy from a source in Thaymount that intersected with the ley lines of the dread rings. This magical release was absorbed by a weak mystra and began fueling her return. This setup was instigated by Larloch in coordination with Leira (who was the Tome of Fastrin the Delver... and the whole story of a kingdom in the sunrise mountains that Fastrin ruled was one big lie). All of this was foreseen to a degree by Savras, who conveyed that certain things needed to happen to keep magic in the world, such that Larloch agreed to trade with Tam... Leira agreed to fake her own death... Talos agreed to raise up Velsharoon and Malyk as magic deities knowing they'd play multiple sides. I find it fun to picture that numerous evil deities had a hand in basically helping Mystra return AND stop Shar from rising up by actually being involved in the events that lead to the spellplague and second sundering..... and that it wasn't all just a meandering plotline, but actually a plot that mortals can't comprehend the immense complexity of. |
| Charles Phipps |
Posted - 24 Apr 2022 : 15:01:26
I mean the dude wants to DESTROY REALITY and remake it.
:) |
| Delnyn |
Posted - 24 Apr 2022 : 14:39:49
quote:
Originally posted by sleyvas
Larloch gave Tam a cursed artifact that deliberately changes them to perform greater and greater acts of evil.... and he took it. So, yeah, I'd say Larloch was on the winning side of the deal.
Throw into all that that while Tam was becoming a more powerful Zulkir of Necromancy... his literal enemy ascended to become the god of necromancy. How might that have affected his psyche?
Tam must have gone full-out bat-guano crazy at the Halaster level. |
| Charles Phipps |
Posted - 16 Apr 2022 : 19:11:39
Hey folks,
Just coming here for the first time.
1. I'm assuming that Szass Tam thinks that he's got the gods by the balls in all of this but is completely wrong about the ritual. I think it makes perfect sense that he believes he can create a ritual that will allow him to kill the gods and unmakle the cosmos but my inclination is that he's 100% wrong and Bane knows this. Karsus had the same sort of belief and we saw how that sort of literal dictionary definition of hubris will do things.
2. That doesn't make the ritual any less dangerous mind you as mass murder to empower someone is something that I'm sure bane plans to benefit from. But yes, with the Shadow Weave destroyed and no longer in the hands of an insane nihilist goddess, I'm pretty sure that she could just cut the feed to Szass Tam at any time they want.
3. VECNA could pull off "unmaking the universe" but we know that he is/was a Greater God and had the help of the Serpent who, in my campaigns, was either Asmodeus or Orcus and are ancient evils of immense power and knowledge. Tam is just not in Vecna's league.
4. Velsharoon getting to be God of Necromancy always felt like he was a disappointment to Talos as he's not worshiped in Thay or by the largest numbers of necromancers in the world. He has to be suffering from severe lack of worship and I wonder if he's going to become a Dead God. Still, I'm very much of the "Helm splatters Mystra despite her being a 30th level mage" school of thought, Velsharoon is a god and even a Demigod utterly would own the strongest of all mortals.
5. Speaking of which, I admit I kind of have debated the idea Xvim, Velsharoon, and Cyric are all impersonating the Dead Three versus them getting resurrected.
6. Which is to say, Szass Tam got the worst of every deal with Bane, Larloch, and Velsharoon. |
| sleyvas |
Posted - 28 Mar 2022 : 23:01:04
quote:
Originally posted by Delnyn
quote:
Originally posted by Nicolai Withander
What is larloch doing in all of this... As I remember Larloch is the only this that Szazz Tam fear... And for a good reason! Or Ioulaum, he would be able to give Szass a run for him money too!
How fitting to use thread necromancy on a Szass Tam scroll. Here is my speculation:
Larloch is laughing his skull off at Szass Tam's efforts to enact the Dread Ring ritual. Either Szass Tam will fail...or if he is about to succeed, Larloch would simply swoop in a hijack the ritual for his own benefit. Those who doubt Larloch could or would hijack a ritual are encouraged to read The Herald.
I would say Szass Tam made a fool's bargain with Larloch when he traded the vest for Larloch's Death Moon Orb and Tharkorsil's Seat. I think we can all agree Szass Tam did NOT negotiate from the dominant position. It would be most likely Larloch hacked all passcodes to Tam's wards and got an extended tour of Tam's halls through the two (magically tweaked) artifacts he left with Tam.
Larloch would know all of Tam's servants, their duties, their schedules, who is loyal, who is not. I would not be surprised if Larloch would cut a deal with Eltab (Tharkorsil's Seat probably has a whole mess of Larloch=designed "malware") for the latter's help in putting the screws to Tam...if Tam moved a hairsbreath out of acceptable lines.
Larloch gave Tam a cursed artifact that deliberately changes them to perform greater and greater acts of evil.... and he took it. So, yeah, I'd say Larloch was on the winning side of the deal.
Throw into all that that while Tam was becoming a more powerful Zulkir of Necromancy... his literal enemy ascended to become the god of necromancy. How might that have affected his psyche? |
| Delnyn |
Posted - 23 Mar 2022 : 23:16:14
quote:
Originally posted by Nicolai Withander
What is larloch doing in all of this... As I remember Larloch is the only this that Szazz Tam fear... And for a good reason! Or Ioulaum, he would be able to give Szass a run for him money too!
How fitting to use thread necromancy on a Szass Tam scroll. Here is my speculation:
Larloch is laughing his skull off at Szass Tam's efforts to enact the Dread Ring ritual. Either Szass Tam will fail...or if he is about to succeed, Larloch would simply swoop in a hijack the ritual for his own benefit. Those who doubt Larloch could or would hijack a ritual are encouraged to read The Herald.
I would say Szass Tam made a fool's bargain with Larloch when he traded the vest for Larloch's Death Moon Orb and Tharkorsil's Seat. I think we can all agree Szass Tam did NOT negotiate from the dominant position. It would be most likely Larloch hacked all passcodes to Tam's wards and got an extended tour of Tam's halls through the two (magically tweaked) artifacts he left with Tam.
Larloch would know all of Tam's servants, their duties, their schedules, who is loyal, who is not. I would not be surprised if Larloch would cut a deal with Eltab (Tharkorsil's Seat probably has a whole mess of Larloch=designed "malware") for the latter's help in putting the screws to Tam...if Tam moved a hairsbreath out of acceptable lines. |
| Arcanus |
Posted - 31 Mar 2013 : 18:54:10
Yes Dennis I have read the books. And out of respect for RLB and your own very evident liking of his work, I won't pick holes in them.
Let's just say that having read the Tam trilogy, I haven't bought another RLB book. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 31 Mar 2013 : 15:36:42
quote:
Originally posted by Firestorm
quote:
Originally posted by Nicolai Withander
What is larloch doing in all of this... As I remember Larloch is the only this that Szazz Tam fear... And for a good reason! Or Ioulaum, he would be able to give Szass a run for him money too!
Larloch apparently has some sort of grand scheme going on. Either to bring himself back, or otherwise.
We do have something that indicates that... From Ed, courtesy of the lovely Lady Hooded One...
quote:
To Wooly Rupert: when you post sentences like this one: “And though I can't think of any evidence to support it, it's not impossible that part of what Larloch is doing is containing something...” be aware that you are (ahem) VERY perceptive.
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| Dennis |
Posted - 31 Mar 2013 : 15:08:30
quote:
Originally posted by Arcanus
It seems highly unlikely to me that any god would aid a mortal who was trying to destroy the universe if said god thought that there was the remotest chance of the mortal succeeding.
The whole plot of this grand spell is ridiculous. I could understand a spell to change nearby lands or replace a god but remake the universe? C'mon, that's far too big a goal. We already have one Ao and that's quite enough thank you.
Just out of curiosity . . . did you read the books? If not, then I suggest you do. It’s easy to make hasty generalizations on what Szass Tam did (and is doing still). But when you read the novels, you get to see the whole context. Such grandiose ambition didn’t just sprout out of nowhere.
And no, everyone (Bane included) does not believe that the Ritual of Unmaking would serve its original purpose. Only Szass Tam believes that it would, and he has reason to. Nevertheless, the effects can still be catastrophic. It may wipe out Thay and the whole eastern realms or split Faerun into two continents or send Maztica to the bottom of the seas, the Nine Helss, or the Abyss. |
| Arcanus |
Posted - 31 Mar 2013 : 14:37:41
It seems highly unlikely to me that any god would aid a mortal who was trying to destroy the universe if said god thought that there was the remotest chance of the mortal succeeding.
The whole plot of this grand spell is ridiculous. I could understand a spell to change nearby lands or replace a god but remake the universe? C'mon, that's far too big a goal.
We already have one Ao and that's quite enough thank you. |
| Arcanus |
Posted - 31 Mar 2013 : 13:39:04
It seems highly unlikely to me that any god would aid a mortal who was trying to destroy the universe if said god thought that there was the remotest chance of the mortal succeeding.
The whole plot of this grand spell is ridiculous. I could understand a spell to change nearby lands or replace a god but remake the universe? C'mon, that's far too big a goal.
We already have one Ao and that's quite enough thank you. |
| Firestorm |
Posted - 30 Mar 2013 : 17:03:46
quote:
Originally posted by Nicolai Withander
What is larloch doing in all of this... As I remember Larloch is the only this that Szazz Tam fear... And for a good reason! Or Ioulaum, he would be able to give Szass a run for him money too!
Larloch apparently has some sort of grand scheme going on. Either to bring himself back, or otherwise.
We learned in the Elminster novels that he created the blueflame items and he was mentioned grimly by the Simbul and Elminster |
| Dennis |
Posted - 15 Mar 2013 : 15:56:37
One immortal archmage once said, "Contrary to common belief, we're not mad. We're simply misunderstood. And I've long ago stopped caring about what others think of me, save one man." |
| sleyvas |
Posted - 14 Mar 2013 : 16:42:47
quote:
Originally posted by Ayrik
quote:
sparhawk42
Of course the down side to all this, if I understand correctly, is that after 1000 years he has to give up his soul right?
As discussed in this scroll, Szass Tam has gained access to godlike powers - and/or godlike amplifications to his existing powers - within his domain (of Thay) during this millennial period. Powers which, I think, could be roughly comparable to those of, say, Halaster within his own domain (of Undermountain).
Look how much Halaster has accomplished (and how far he's been able to influence the world beyond his domain) over the past 1,000 years. Although details differ, it might be argued that Halaster's original "divine power" source, along with whatever fate or cost it forecast upon his destiny, was (indeed, might still be) somehow delayed or countered or circumvented indefinitely, at least until the end of Halaster's days ...
Remember also that Szass Tam's ambitions basically amount to reformatting the cosmos, with himself installed as the primary (Re-)Creator of the World and Everything Else. Even if the magnitude of his cosmic renovation is confined to a smaller global subset - say, just the Prime, or just Realmspace, or just Toril, or even just Faerûn/Thay - he's probably gambling on being able to build a world in which Bane is conspicuously absent.
To me this indicates that Bane (who is still pretty great among the Greater Powers) must have some specific divine knowledge about Szass's ritual. That is, Bane must know that the ritual will certainly fail (or can certainly be made to fail) ... because as a lawful god he deals only with known rules and consequences, as an evil god he's likely to manipulate these to service his own ends, and as a tyrant-bully god he's all about domination and the strong/fast/smart exerting power over the weak/slow/foolish. Bane is not a god of gamblers, not a player of intrigues and plots and gambits, not even a god of ambitious self-advancement, he wouldn't be one to risk losing a superior position for a chance of gaining an even stronger superior position - and to me this indicates that the consequences of Szass's ritual must be known and must be limited or controllable, they aren't unfathomable mysteries even the semi-omniscient Faerûnian deities cannot penetrate. Of course, Bane is not infallable, but I very much doubt he would ever agree to any arrangement in which he fails to assert, maintain, or gain power - especially not an agreement where his obligations are so costly and the prize so ambiguously useful. Szass Tam has never enjoyed any special favour as a minion or adversary of Bane, so I don't see why possession of his soul would be such a vital offering.
Unless of course Bane needs to own Szass to gain Szass's knowledge of the ritual itself. I still think that a god of such absolute and authoritarian ideology wouldn't sacrifice or gamble divine power ... at least not unless the potential payoff was something as big as the cosmos itself.
Basically, I look at what's happened with Szass Tam and I'm pretty much inclined to believe at this point that the man's just gone insane. Let's also acknowledge something... he said he developed a ritual to remake the universe. Nothing says he was correct. Everyone just went "oh poopy, what if he's right?" and attacked him. Also, lets also acknowledge that Tam's under the effects of a cursed artifact given him by Larloch (the Death Moon Orb). That's most likely why he entirely screwed over all his plans for Thay. He's just gone totally nuts and unfortunately he's not become reckless enough yet to be taken out. Hell, this may have been WHY Larloch gave him the death moon orb.
Curse: The alignment of user of the orb eventually
shifts to chaotic evil. It also compels its user to greater
and greater acts of evil, until the user is infamous as a
monster of complete wickedness and cruelty. Such individuals
invariably perish in some fashion unless,
like Tam and Larloch, they continue on as undead
creatures and don#146;t care what anyone else thinks of
them.
Mod edit: Language, please. |
| Markustay |
Posted - 14 Mar 2013 : 12:43:55
quote:
Originally posted by Dennis
There's no Red Wizards novel. It's called Red Magic.
You're right about the keep. But I still believe he lives in Thaymount, or where he spends most of his time. That's where the "focus" of the original set of Dread Rings, anyway. And that's where he won his crowning victory over the united zulkirs.
Yeah, I get that mixed up with the Conan novel Black Wizards. 
Years and years ago, either SPI or Avalon Hill (now both owned by Hasbro) had a game called Sorcerer (or maybe the plural version of that), and it was based on 'colors of magic', kinda like how MtG magic works. It was an an army/war game, but a lot of fun. My friends and I played it a lot.
Another great gem the WotC guys should dust-off and take a look at - I really like the premise of orders of wizardry based on colors. I have several groups of wizards based in and around the Old Empires using that concept.*
Anyhow, I agree he is definitely on Thaymount now, and probably has been since the very beginning of 3e, but when the setting 'started', he wasn't. I just find that interesting, and it also gives DMs (and authors) another possibility for an adventure site (presumably to 'uncover Szass Tam's secrets'). He may have something very cool still hidden there.
*EDIT: Found it - it was SPI. Just looking at that box makes me wax nostalgic. They really need to re-release that. |
| Dennis |
Posted - 13 Mar 2013 : 15:26:44
There's no Red Wizards novel. It's called Red Magic.
You're right about the keep. But I still believe he lives in Thaymount, or where he spends most of his time. That's where the "focus" of the original set of Dread Rings, anyway. And that's where he won his crowning victory over the united zulkirs. |
| Markustay |
Posted - 13 Mar 2013 : 15:14:48
quote:
Originally posted by Barastir
Nice! And where is it, MT?
See links below.
quote:
Originally posted by Dennis
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay
Once again, rezzing an old thread because I have a related question:
Where does Szass Tam live? 
I only just noticed about two minutes ago that there is a locale on the FRIA map that says "Szass Tam's Keep", and its NOT on Thaymount. 
I realize the FRIA is now two editions out-of-date - did he move? Was there ever a name for his old Keep? Did he take the keep of Nyressa Flass over after he killed her and took her place?
He is in Thaymount. That's his seat of power.
Never heard of "Szass Tam's Keep." It's probably the new name for Keep of Sorrows, where he won one of the most crucial campaigns against the united zulkirs.
NOT possible.
The FRIA is VERY old, and hasn't been updated since the very beginning of 3e. Besides, the 3e Thay map shows the Keep of Sorrows and its not in the same place. You can see the placements on the FRIA map HERE - they are quite far apart (about 50 miles according to the FRIA scale).
Just for the sake of absolute clarity, all red lettering (except for 'Thay') is MINE, including the arrows. The Keep of Sorrows was not on the FRIA map - I placed that keep there, in accordance to where it is on the 3e (UE) map. Also, the Keep of Sorrows is on neither the 1e or 2e maps of Thay, but the River of Sorrows is clearly labeled on the 2e Spellbound map. Although the lore surrounding the Keep may be older then 3e, the actual placement of the keep is not illustrated until 3e (but the river it is on was).
My assumption here is that this was Szass Tam's original Keep, and perhaps the one he was operating out of in that short story. It may or may not be Nyressa's Flass's former keep (whom he killed to take her place). It may also be the one he was in during the events of Red Wizards, but I no longer own that novel to check. Anyone have it? Was there a map in it? (I don't recall one, but its location may have been described - most locales from the Harper series were added to the FRIA, where possible). |
| Dennis |
Posted - 13 Mar 2013 : 13:31:37
quote:
Originally posted by Ayrik
Unless of course Bane needs to own Szass to gain Szass's knowledge of the ritual itself. I still think that a god of such absolute and authoritarian ideology wouldn't sacrifice or gamble divine power . . . at least not unless the potential payoff was something as big as the cosmos itself.
It's also possible that the answer is quite a simple one: that he had no time to waste discussing with Szass Tam the ritual and whatnot and getting out of the temporary but potent cage that Szass Tam put him in. Szass Tam summoned him shortly after the Spellplague, when all gods were directly affected, when mortal matters became last on their list of priorities. He also made it clear that while Bane would eventually break free, he still had to exert some (potentially considerable amount of) power to do so, and that it could take some time. Time and power, two things that a god can hardly waste. |
| Dalor Darden |
Posted - 12 Mar 2013 : 17:29:40
I used to like Tam...now he reminds me of Iuz
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| Ayrik |
Posted - 12 Mar 2013 : 17:24:45
Bane's part in the Time of Troubles really amounts to precipitating the whole mess by stealing the boss's Tablets of MacGuffin. His actions during the Avatar Crisis, right up to his death in Tantras, seemed very reactionary and contrived: instead of showing any real initiative he basically just twirled his mustache and travelled around a lot for no apparent reason other than to always be a menacing villain briefly glimpsed on the distant horizon while the main "heroes" moved the story along.
I suppose I would accept that as a gamble for power ... if the Tablets of Fate served any actual purpose in the Realms beyond being a narrative device. Perhaps they are the ultimate literal deus ex artifact. |
| The Masked Mage |
Posted - 11 Mar 2013 : 22:17:41
quote:
[i]Originally posted by Ayrik
I know nothing about these books. Haven't read them.
That said, I'd argue Bane's part in the Time of Troubles would seem to be a gamble to gain power and position. |
| Ayrik |
Posted - 11 Mar 2013 : 18:47:06
quote:
sparhawk42
Of course the down side to all this, if I understand correctly, is that after 1000 years he has to give up his soul right?
As discussed in this scroll, Szass Tam has gained access to godlike powers - and/or godlike amplifications to his existing powers - within his domain (of Thay) during this millennial period. Powers which, I think, could be roughly comparable to those of, say, Halaster within his own domain (of Undermountain).
Look how much Halaster has accomplished (and how far he's been able to influence the world beyond his domain) over the past 1,000 years. Although details differ, it might be argued that Halaster's original "divine power" source, along with whatever fate or cost it forecast upon his destiny, was (indeed, might still be) somehow delayed or countered or circumvented indefinitely, at least until the end of Halaster's days ...
Remember also that Szass Tam's ambitions basically amount to reformatting the cosmos, with himself installed as the primary (Re-)Creator of the World and Everything Else. Even if the magnitude of his cosmic renovation is confined to a smaller global subset - say, just the Prime, or just Realmspace, or just Toril, or even just Faerûn/Thay - he's probably gambling on being able to build a world in which Bane is conspicuously absent.
To me this indicates that Bane (who is still pretty great among the Greater Powers) must have some specific divine knowledge about Szass's ritual. That is, Bane must know that the ritual will certainly fail (or can certainly be made to fail) ... because as a lawful god he deals only with known rules and consequences, as an evil god he's likely to manipulate these to service his own ends, and as a tyrant-bully god he's all about domination and the strong/fast/smart exerting power over the weak/slow/foolish. Bane is not a god of gamblers, not a player of intrigues and plots and gambits, not even a god of ambitious self-advancement, he wouldn't be one to risk losing a superior position for a chance of gaining an even stronger superior position - and to me this indicates that the consequences of Szass's ritual must be known and must be limited or controllable, they aren't unfathomable mysteries even the semi-omniscient Faerûnian deities cannot penetrate. Of course, Bane is not infallable, but I very much doubt he would ever agree to any arrangement in which he fails to assert, maintain, or gain power - especially not an agreement where his obligations are so costly and the prize so ambiguously useful. Szass Tam has never enjoyed any special favour as a minion or adversary of Bane, so I don't see why possession of his soul would be such a vital offering.
Unless of course Bane needs to own Szass to gain Szass's knowledge of the ritual itself. I still think that a god of such absolute and authoritarian ideology wouldn't sacrifice or gamble divine power ... at least not unless the potential payoff was something as big as the cosmos itself. |
| Barastir |
Posted - 11 Mar 2013 : 16:41:00
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay
I only just noticed about two minutes ago that there is a locale on the FRIA map that says "Szass Tam's Keep", and its NOT on Thaymount.
Nice! And where is it, MT? |
| _Jarlaxle_ |
Posted - 27 Feb 2013 : 15:31:34
Depends on how you define "live" for a lich who doesn't need to sleep or do any other stuff people usually do at the place they live.
So I would guess he has several places where he works and apearing in the capitol for all the official occasions
His main labs and storing facilities probably are in some very hidden places. |
| Dennis |
Posted - 27 Feb 2013 : 15:05:12
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay
Once again, rezzing an old thread because I have a related question:
Where does Szass Tam live?
I only just noticed about two minutes ago that there is a locale on the FRIA map that says "Szass Tam's Keep", and its NOT on Thaymount.
I realize the FRIA is now two editions out-of-date - did he move? Was there ever a name for his old Keep? Did he take the keep of Nyressa Flass over after he killed her and took her place?
He is in Thaymount. That's his seat of power.
Never heard of "Szass Tam's Keep." It's probably the new name for Keep of Sorrows, where he won one of the most crucial campaigns against the united zulkirs. |
| Markustay |
Posted - 27 Feb 2013 : 13:55:40
Once again, rezzing an old thread because I have a related question:
Where does Szass Tam live?
I only just noticed about two minutes ago that there is a locale on the FRIA map that says "Szass Tam's Keep", and its NOT on Thaymount.
I realize the FRIA is now two editions out-of-date - did he move? Was there ever a name for his old Keep? Did he take the keep of Nyressa Flass over after he killed her and took her place? |
| sfdragon |
Posted - 21 Feb 2010 : 03:10:15
Larloch of Warlock's Crypt is NDA
Ioulaum of Seventon is also NDA....... well thier plans are anyway, |
| Nicolai Withander |
Posted - 21 Feb 2010 : 01:21:27
What is larloch doing in all of this... As I remember Larloch is the only this that Szazz Tam fear... And for a good reason! Or Ioulaum, he would be able to give Szass a run for him money too! |
| Noxica |
Posted - 17 Feb 2010 : 22:01:13
quote:
Originally posted by LordManshoon
I really don't like how Bane came out looking in this pact. True, he had no way of knowing why Szass Tam would want a pact, but he should have been suspicious. Of course, personally, I don't think the two of them should have ever met face-to-face, especially in such a way that ST appears in the same ballpark power-wise as Bane, but that's just me.
Well Bane very likely has an inkling of what Szass Tam is up to and really expects him to fail, (SPOILER: Szass Tam does actually fail his first chance at becoming the supreme ruler of the realms and now must conquer another country to try again.)
In return for Szass Tam's gamble, Bane gets an entire country to pledge their loyalty to him which is quite a power boost for him which he will very likely need for usurping Cyric. |
| LordManshoon |
Posted - 24 Aug 2009 : 21:35:58
I really don't like how Bane came out looking in this pact. True, he had no way of knowing why Szass Tam would want a pact, but he should have been suspicious. Of course, personally, I don't think the two of them should have ever met face-to-face, especially in such a way that ST appears in the same ballpark power-wise as Bane, but that's just me. |
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