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| Narad Bladesinger |
Posted - 16 Mar 2004 : 17:16:53
I'm seriously worried about elven population on Faerun.
Long time ago they freed Faerun from the tyranny of dragons and giants and now they are getting chased out from everywhere.
There have been attacks to Evereska and Evermeet, and many elven forests are cut down by humans.
Is there a safe place for elves?
And I heard that on the attack on Evermeet the High Magic of elves was lost.
Is this true? |
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| Lord Karsus |
Posted - 16 Jun 2008 : 04:53:53
-Quite to the contrary: Since the end of the Elven Retreat, the population of Elves has been growing, not shrinking. |
| Stormlord |
Posted - 24 Apr 2008 : 10:35:55
Llewyrrwood is listed as a northern colony of the green and moon elves of Illefarn, and Synnoria is listed as a moon elf sanctuary.
This information is listed within "Serpent Kingdoms" (pg. 186) and the 2e campaign expansion, "Cormanthyr: Empire of Elves" (pgs. 22, 31). |
| monknwildcat |
Posted - 23 Apr 2008 : 20:16:41
I'm glad we finally got the other Elvesies listed (lythari, avariel, llewyrr?). Slightly off-topic, but was there ever an answer as to which subraces make up the Llewyrr!?
Also, LOTR made elves tres vogue. They're not going anywhere. |
| dwarvenranger |
Posted - 24 Nov 2006 : 00:37:07
Nah, I'm hopin the windsocks ain't goin away for good, who'd distract them orcs while I sneak up and take care o' them? Anyway the trees are sayin that they like the elves cause o' their frolicking and the personal attention that the elves are giving them. |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 22 Nov 2006 : 22:05:00
quote:
Originally posted by Kaladorm
Elves have become such a staple for fantasy realms I can't see them ever disappearing  , that and they sell books so well
So true. |
| Kaladorm |
Posted - 22 Nov 2006 : 21:19:36
Elves have become such a staple for fantasy realms I can't see them ever disappearing , that and they sell books so well
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| Twilight |
Posted - 09 Nov 2006 : 08:36:28
The Elves will Never Die they're to powerful and long living |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 28 Aug 2006 : 01:01:04
An elven extinction? Why yes, I think it'd be awesome if a few choice elves went extinct, namely those of House Miritar, Melruth, Teshurr (and anyone who helped them). |
| w2b |
Posted - 27 Aug 2006 : 18:55:33
about star elves and their lightbulbs ^___^ what i find weird is that they're drawn with those strange glowing headgears... ok, lightbulbs. but they are not described with them. anywhere i see. i think the lightbulbs are another unfortunate artistic license by wotc's illustrators, like gems on the forehead of some banites or chembryl's blond hair...
also, there's another race of elves you guys haven't mentioned, the lythari (wolf-elves). of course there are also the llewyrr of the moonshaes but i haven't been able to understand what subrace they are exactly, probably wood elves. and then there's the avariel, but i'm quite sure you already listed them. |
| Beirnadri Magranth |
Posted - 19 Feb 2006 : 14:17:03
quote:
Originally posted by CrennenFaerieBane
Well, let's see - guess if they elves disappeared we'd see a lot of series completely disappear - WotSQ, Elaine's books, all of RAS's books. Yeah, that's a smart statement.
Oh wait, who taught magic to the humans of Netheril? Oh yeah, the pointy-eared runts. And dwarves and their psychotic war with the goblins... yeah...
Oh wait, and Orcs who kill and main and are objectively evil, yes, once again, a very intelligent comment. Obould, I'm sure, will keep them in line.
Oh wait, Myth Drannor - yeah, dumb idea, no idea how to create a real settlement. And I guess elves can't farm, since they existed and prospered long before humans came around.
What a racist statement, Kreen.
C-Fb
Earlanni elves began to teach magic to humans but you know they became legendary through the nether scrolls.
also saying that something isnt a possibility because it would cut profits for the WOTC isnt very realmsian. We have to be able to think beyond profitability and marketing. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 19 Feb 2006 : 14:15:46
quote:
Originally posted by Shadovar
Hmm...perhaps so, maybe they hid themselves from the daemonfey, but first I wonder why would they had to hid themselves from the daemonfey-if-they had a standing mythal and standing army of sufficient numbers and power sufficient to beat the Fey'ri.
If that was the scenario, maybe it wasn't war they feared from the fey'ri. Maybe they feared the fey'ri sneaking in, interbreeding with and/or subverting the people of the city.
Or maybe they just saw a coming war and decided they were going to totally avoid it. |
| Beirnadri Magranth |
Posted - 19 Feb 2006 : 14:06:52
i thought selune or some goddess put that city into stasis. I forget why and till when |
| Shadovar |
Posted - 19 Feb 2006 : 10:10:30
quote:
Originally posted by Giilvas Vyshaan
Actually, I believe the sun elves of Myth Adofhaer wanted to remove themselves from the potential taint of the fey'ri. If that is correct, they would probably be good enough (alignment-wise)to not want demon-blooded taint, and abhor the idea of it. I believe that they would have to think seriously about the current situation of elves before taking any action. Isn't that what elves do, anyway?
Hmm...perhaps so, maybe they hid themselves from the daemonfey, but first I wonder why would they had to hid themselves from the daemonfey-if-they had a standing mythal and standing army of sufficient numbers and power sufficient to beat the Fey'ri. Whether the elves will consider the present situation first..a likely move but another matter to consider is whether they do wish to adapt to the current situations or would they act like Kymil Nimesin or the Vyshaans. |
| Giilvas Vyshaan |
Posted - 19 Feb 2006 : 01:37:55
Actually, I believe the sun elves of Myth Adofhaer wanted to remove themselves from the potential taint of the fey'ri. If that is correct, they would probably be good enough (alignment-wise)to not want demon-blooded taint, and abhor the idea of it. I believe that they would have to think seriously about the current situation of elves before taking any action. Isn't that what elves do, anyway? |
| Shadovar |
Posted - 18 Feb 2006 : 02:37:23
quote:
Originally posted by Giilvas Vyshaan
Not to copy the Return of Shade, but there is a mysterious mythal city in a magical stasis located in the High Forest. There was a comment in LEoF about the Eldreth Velruutha looking into discovering the secret to return Myth Adofhaer to Faerun. I think that there is your 'presto!' way of returning about 10,000+ elves (sun elves, the haughtiest of the lot) back to Faerun. Would they appreciate the diminished power of the Fair Folk? Any NDC comments forthcoming? Please bring back the old school elves!
The elves that are coming back better be good ones and peaceful type, if they are the sort of pro-war type like the Vyshaan clan elves, short term boost the elven population, yes, but in the long term, might decrease the elven and other races' population if they are the pro-war type.
I think it would be wise to let the Myth Adofhaer stay in stasis, for if the city was plunged into stasis, I am very sure whoever did it had a very good and wise reason for doing it. |
| Giilvas Vyshaan |
Posted - 16 Feb 2006 : 01:22:09
Not to copy the Return of Shade, but there is a mysterious mythal city in a magical stasis located in the High Forest. There was a comment in LEoF about the Eldreth Velruutha looking into discovering the secret to return Myth Adofhaer to Faerun. I think that there is your 'presto!' way of returning about 10,000+ elves (sun elves, the haughtiest of the lot) back to Faerun. Would they appreciate the diminished power of the Fair Folk? Any NDC comments forthcoming? Please bring back the old school elves! |
| sleyvas |
Posted - 29 Dec 2005 : 22:38:41
Just a side note, someone had said that they don't see Gruumsh and Corellon being happy about Orcs and Elves having sex. Well, as horrible as this sounds, rape is sex... its also brutally violent... and I don't see Gruumsh getting pissy about his orc soldiers brutalizing elves in this manner. Of course, 1st edition rules may say that elves and orcs can't breed... but if humans and elves can breed... and humans and orcs can breed.... I wouldn't limit the possibility. Of course, they may come out like mules and not be able to continue the line... or it could be that humans are just some radically magical beast that can cross-breed with anything whereas other races can't. |
| Kentinal |
Posted - 29 Dec 2005 : 21:22:23
quote:
Concerning Drow and reverie there was an answe by Ed Greenwood concerning this as well. Alas candlekeep search not working well right now. A few spiders crawing over the links. Any based on what I recall the question was more about if Drow Elves were still part of the Weave even if denied access to High Elven Magic. The answer was yes because Drow like other elves can use reverie, this apparently an indication of being part of the Weave.
For a piece of it, posted Nov. 5, 2004
" As Elaine Cunningham said, elsewhere here at Candlekeep: "I postulated that natural adaption would result in other solutions, but also assumed that their elven natures, including the ability to enter reverie, were fragmented by their environment. So I left the issue unresolved, describing various drow in different situations. Some drow slept, some entered a form of Reverie, and some, such as Gromph, could not sleep at all. (It also occurred to me that the drow would likely have developed some sort of brief but deeply restorative meditation -- a very useful skill for warriors, priestesses and wizards who, for whatever reason, cannot afford to take their eyes off their enemies for long.)... there are references in the earlier lore to support these possible options: dreamless sleep, sleep with a dream phase, elven reverie.""
So you might need to fear the Drow, which by the way are still elves of a kind. *wink* and some Drow do not seek to kill their kin as well. |
| Just |
Posted - 29 Dec 2005 : 21:04:49
Friends, sorry about the total annihilation of three different races theory.
I guess I read the previous posts and got over excited about the end of the elves.
Anyway I agree with Kentinal. There are always survivors. And in a so populated world as Faerun, I realize it would be hard to see a race to extinct. Unless the Drow actually come with a way to enter the reverie and slay all the Elves! Men another nasty Idea... or perhaps the opposite will happen... I guess Im just unhappy with all the powerfull characters that exist in faerun. It seems like a level 1 guy simply can't bend the corner without bumping into some over powerfull spellcaster and being manipulated by it. Sorry guys the Qindahearted is just in a bad mood today!!!
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| Kentinal |
Posted - 29 Dec 2005 : 20:49:13
It could also be commented on that one of the Chosen is an Elf, perhaps more as I seem to recall that not all Chosen have been listed.
A 4th Edition could remove elves however that is unlikely from an economic consideration by WotC, they are a stable of fantasy. If one goes by brith rates and adults kills it might appear logical that in a few thousand years all but the Drow might indeed disapear from holding nations, but total distrusction becomes unlikely. Communities will exist that will engender children of the next generation. The stay at homes will continue to generate the adventuers that go out to die in a posible a more hostile world. |
| Just |
Posted - 29 Dec 2005 : 20:26:22
Hey guys no point on such an argue! Jamallo doesn't like Elves So be it, he seems like the only one anyway. We must'nt all bee "Good" natured some of us are more chaotic others more neutral(like me!!!) etc...
To my knowledge the Elves will not end... for several logical reasons...(pardon my Arrogancy!! Ahemm...)
1st- They are one of the base races of the players Handbook, and being on the winning team that made the fame of Wotc books... they would of have simply to undo to many stuff!
2nd- There are too many Elf lovers out there, so it would make no sense to extinct this race, and even if they did have stamina to do such a thing, it would never come to fruiton, because(Ill explain on the last reason)...!
3rd- Even if in history of faerun the elfs were extinct, I'm already seeing million of players wordwide, gathering together to save the elves. I'm already imagining the Chosen all around Toril making time travel, or opening great planar portals to other worlds to fetch entire population of elves from other gaming worlds(if necessary!). Just imagine the gaming opportunities this brings, just thinking it mak'e me drool!! 
These are just a few reasons, I bet that if you think about it you will come about with a few more...
Me personally, am seeing the future of the Elves in one of the great deserts of Toril. The elves will become aware of their arrogance, of how mighty they were and how they are becoming a legend. I'm seeing the Phaerimm coming up with a spell that will cancel the levitation of the shades flying city they will come tumbling down only surviving the most powerfull shades themselves, and then the last survivors of Netheril, will make the ruin of the Phaerimm themselves with their last breaths! Then the elves will plant the tree of life on the desert and the most massive of Forests in Toril will grow to it's full extent!
The idea of the elves colonizing a new land doesn't beckon good to me. Specially because I have in my memory the case of the Luskans the borded with an army only to awaken the stinger to fact that there is more of faerun to live in! They brought they're entire city with only he aid of their clerics below Luskan... Think on that!!
Well this is my Opinion. Just the Qindahearted
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| Bocklin |
Posted - 29 Dec 2005 : 12:30:36
I bet Jamallo Kreen is from Sembia to talk like that of elves.
Bocklin |
| Jamallo Kreen |
Posted - 01 Dec 2005 : 18:22:45
quote:
Originally posted by CrennenFaerieBane
Well, let's see - guess if they elves disappeared we'd see a lot of series completely disappear - WotSQ, Elaine's books, all of RAS's books. Yeah, that's a smart statement.
C-Fb
They shall be history books, not current events. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 30 Nov 2005 : 23:26:00
Let's keep it civil, folks. |
| Crennen FaerieBane |
Posted - 30 Nov 2005 : 20:12:19
quote:
Originally posted by Jamallo Kreen
quote:
Originally posted by Kajehase
quote:
Originally posted by Kuje
Furthermore, how can the North even make any armies...? They got killed when Obould attacked. Then in the return of Archwizards. Then even more in the Last Mythal novels.
A little known fact about the Sword Coast North is the large usage of Elminster's Pills of Bunnylike Procreation among the more upstanding parts of its populace
Not to be confused with the similar-named Laeral's Everchanging Bunny-suit
Your comments have made me smile with mirth.
Seriously, though, would the humans (and dwarves and halflings, etc.) of Abeir-Toril really be harmed in any great way if the pointy-earred runts became extinct? On the contrary, a lot of wild game would become available to feed the hungry, wood would be available to build shelters for the poor and the homeless, etc. Moreover, the psychotic "religious" war which the Orcs and Elves have been waging for millennia would become moot and the Orcs would finally be able to settle down as hearty yeoman farmers, as they have in post-Tuigan Thesk and up around the Moonsea. Elves aren't exactly noted for forming farming communities of doughty and redoubtable citizens, but the Orcs have shown themselves capable of this once freed from the yoke of Elven oppression. All-in-all, the disappearance of the pointy-eared runts would be (as Martha says), "A good thing."
Well, let's see - guess if they elves disappeared we'd see a lot of series completely disappear - WotSQ, Elaine's books, all of RAS's books. Yeah, that's a smart statement.
Oh wait, who taught magic to the humans of Netheril? Oh yeah, the pointy-eared runts. And dwarves and their psychotic war with the goblins... yeah...
Oh wait, and Orcs who kill and main and are objectively evil, yes, once again, a very intelligent comment. Obould, I'm sure, will keep them in line.
Oh wait, Myth Drannor - yeah, dumb idea, no idea how to create a real settlement. And I guess elves can't farm, since they existed and prospered long before humans came around.
What a racist statement, Kreen.
C-Fb |
| Jamallo Kreen |
Posted - 30 Nov 2005 : 18:47:52
quote:
Originally posted by Kajehase
quote:
Originally posted by Kuje
Furthermore, how can the North even make any armies...? They got killed when Obould attacked. Then in the return of Archwizards. Then even more in the Last Mythal novels.
A little known fact about the Sword Coast North is the large usage of Elminster's Pills of Bunnylike Procreation among the more upstanding parts of its populace
Not to be confused with the similar-named Laeral's Everchanging Bunny-suit
Your comments have made me smile with mirth.
Seriously, though, would the humans (and dwarves and halflings, etc.) of Abeir-Toril really be harmed in any great way if the pointy-earred runts became extinct? On the contrary, a lot of wild game would become available to feed the hungry, wood would be available to build shelters for the poor and the homeless, etc. Moreover, the psychotic "religious" war which the Orcs and Elves have been waging for millennia would become moot and the Orcs would finally be able to settle down as hearty yeoman farmers, as they have in post-Tuigan Thesk and up around the Moonsea. Elves aren't exactly noted for forming farming communities of doughty and redoubtable citizens, but the Orcs have shown themselves capable of this once freed from the yoke of Elven oppression. All-in-all, the disappearance of the pointy-eared runts would be (as Martha says), "A good thing."
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| Kuje |
Posted - 30 Nov 2005 : 18:42:18
quote:
Originally posted by Kajehase
quote:
Originally posted by Kuje
Furthermore, how can the North even make any armies...? They got killed when Obould attacked. Then in the return of Archwizards. Then even more in the Last Mythal novels.
A little known fact about the Sword Coast North is the large usage of Elminster's Pills of Bunnylike Procreation among the more upstanding parts of its populace
Not to be confused with the similar-named Laeral's Everchanging Bunny-suit
HAHAH. :) |
| Beirnadri Magranth |
Posted - 30 Nov 2005 : 18:38:31
sry i just private message the sage by accident i meant to just post this comment
that elves wouldnt be beaten by sembia if they tried to move back.
elves are forest guardians and are lethal warriors in the woods!!
theyll kick sembias ass if tehy try to fight the elves |
| Kajehase |
Posted - 30 Nov 2005 : 17:51:43
quote:
Originally posted by Kuje
Furthermore, how can the North even make any armies...? They got killed when Obould attacked. Then in the return of Archwizards. Then even more in the Last Mythal novels.
A little known fact about the Sword Coast North is the large usage of Elminster's Pills of Bunnylike Procreation among the more upstanding parts of its populace
Not to be confused with the similar-named Laeral's Everchanging Bunny-suit |
| Kuje |
Posted - 30 Nov 2005 : 17:25:45
I still want to know how there are any elves left after 4 or 5 major wars in the last 4 or 5 years. :)
Evermeet getting attacked in the Evermeet novel.
Evereska and Evermeet in the Archwizard novels.
Elves in the Last Mythal novels getting killed some more.
Furthermore, how can the North even make any armies...? They got killed when Obould attacked. Then in the return of Archwizards. Then even more in the Last Mythal novels. |
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