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| barry |
Posted - 21 Aug 2003 : 19:32:40
In the F/realms setting the the badies such has halaster, lolock and prob. some others such the high prince of shade have superior wisdom and intelligence,spellcrft or will than the POWERFUL chosen .These attributes alone should be enough that they are more than a match for the simbul or el. for eg how was halaster defeated easily when trying to save el? why have they placed loloch in the realms if he is not mentioned at all or featured as a real threat? what are the true powers of the high price and are his sons not all powerfull as they are over 1700 yrs old.
PLESE IF TROY DENNING IS OUT THEIR PLEASE GIVE ME THESE AWNSWERS AND I AND OTHER WILL BE HAPPY OR MR EL HIMSELF
THIS IS A "REAL WORLD" AND AS SUCH SHOULD BE TREATED WITH SOME OF THE VICIOUSNESS THAT HAPPENS ON EARTH
WE LIKE THE CHOSEN ,BUT KILL SOME OF THEM PLEASE!!!!! |
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| George Krashos |
Posted - 08 Jun 2005 : 07:58:48
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
It sometimes saddens me that we get on a track where we want to see characters die, just to see if it can happen becuase they are a fixture in a given setting. I really was in the recent past that Sylune died, and don't forget that Sammaster was a Chosen, died, and came back as a lich . . . a couple times.
I also wonder why you don't see as much outcry like "I wish someone would kill Manshoon, he's too powerful," or "Szass Tam has been in charge too long, I think the Simbul should just kill him."
Any thoughts on why the Uber powerful Uber evil don't seem to attract the same hatred as the Chosen do? (and yes, I know . . . Manshoon has died a few times and Szass Tam is already dead, but you know what I mean!)
Because being 'evil' and 'bad' are cool as opposed to being humble and sensitive and ... well ... 'good'. Jaded gamers often gravitate to more gritty, evil play and many are fascinated by the sheer unfettered power of evil. It's further escapism from the escapism of gaming, I guess. Personally, I've long been tired of the uninformed debates that rage across the ether that the Realms are "too good" whenever evil or evildoers receive a check or reining in of their activities. Compare the hullabaloo when Hellgate Keep got razed to the inaudible murmur when the Rotting Man took over the entire Rawlinswood. IMO the Realms is pretty balanced in the eternal good v. evil power struggle - it's only personal bias and perception or a wanting of things in the Realms to be a certain way or match a particular need/desire that lead people to complain about this topic - one that has been done to death, I might add.
-- George Krashos
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| The Sage |
Posted - 08 Jun 2005 : 07:51:53
quote:
Originally posted by Hammerfist
Hello, can I know are there ways the Chosen can die? And what are the ways to kill them permanently?
We know that, thanks to their command of considerable magic as well as their intimate connection with Mystra, the Chosen can reach extreme ages, which in itself suggests that they cannot die due to the ravaging effects of old age. Memory retention however, suffers because of their status. Some Chosen, Elminster in particular, have illustrated some difficulty in ascertaining ancient information or past memories from early periods in their lives. This is mainly due to the fact that they have lived for so long.
As for permanently killing Chosen, well again, their connection to Mystra does make such an undertaking quite difficult. And, I suppose there are ways in which Chosen can be permanently "killed", perhaps through the application of great magic, or maybe due to the wrath of a deity. But, I'd rather not consider them, because I prefer the Chosen to remain the mysteries that they are.
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| Hammerfist |
Posted - 08 Jun 2005 : 06:48:29
Hello, can I know are there ways the Chosen can die? And what are the ways to kill them permanently? |
| Lysander |
Posted - 04 Jun 2005 : 03:43:19
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Originally posted by The Sage
I don't want to ever see the day that a "Seven Sisters" template receives publication in an 3e FR tome.
Shhhhhhhhh! You know they're just waiting for an excuse to do just that! I'm just afraid that those who would approve such a publication are drones, thus unaffected by THO's considerable charms to not publish. |
| KnightErrantJR |
Posted - 04 Jun 2005 : 03:41:55
It sometimes saddens me that we get on a track where we want to see characters die, just to see if it can happen becuase they are a fixture in a given setting. I really was in the recent past that Sylune died, and don't forget that Sammaster was a Chosen, died, and came back as a lich . . . a couple times.
I also wonder why you don't see as much outcry like "I wish someone would kill Manshoon, he's too powerful," or "Szass Tam has been in charge too long, I think the Simbul should just kill him."
Any thoughts on why the Uber powerful Uber evil don't seem to attract the same hatred as the Chosen do? (and yes, I know . . . Manshoon has died a few times and Szass Tam is already dead, but you know what I mean!) |
| The Sage |
Posted - 04 Jun 2005 : 03:29:38
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote:
Originally posted by Chosen of Moradin
But, going to the topic now, there is some prevision of some new tome giving us more lore about the Chosen? I know that we will see some new lore of Laeral and Khelben in Waterdeep sourcebook (and maybe Waterdeep novel), but there is someone preparing something more specific, like the 2nd Edition The Seven Sisters???
Gods, I hope not... WotC can't update old lore without giving us scads of new feats and PrCs, so if they revisited the Seven, we'd get all sorts of lame crunch that we really don't need, and that would detract from the flavor of Mystra's daughters.
Well said  . And I echo these thoughts exactly.
I don't want to ever see the day that a "Seven Sisters" template receives publication in an 3e FR tome.
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| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 03 Jun 2005 : 17:27:29
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Originally posted by Chosen of Moradin
But, going to the topic now, there is some prevision of some new tome giving us more lore about the Chosen? I know that we will see some new lore of Laeral and Khelben in Waterdeep sourcebook (and maybe Waterdeep novel), but there is someone preparing something more specific, like the 2nd Edition The Seven Sisters???
Gods, I hope not... WotC can't update old lore without giving us scads of new feats and PrCs, so if they revisited the Seven, we'd get all sorts of lame crunch that we really don't need, and that would detract from the flavor of Mystra's daughters. |
| Chosen of Moradin |
Posted - 03 Jun 2005 : 16:27:07
I really don´t want to push too much more in the joke (fear of the rightful wrath of Alaundo  ), but it´s interesting to note the fact that every time when big Al and our Lady Hooded go to Alaundo´s office, all the scribes disapear from tel library... and all the cristal balls from the Sage´s Magical Shopp are sold/rented/anything???
Straaaange...
But, going to the topic now, there is some prevision of some new tome giving us more lore about the Chosen? I know that we will see some new lore of Laeral and Khelben in Waterdeep sourcebook (and maybe Waterdeep novel), but there is someone preparing something more specific, like the 2nd Edition The Seven Sisters??? |
| Alaundo |
Posted - 03 Jun 2005 : 08:16:58
  
Ahem...er...hmmmm... what was this scroll all about again? Er....back to work, Scribes  |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 03 Jun 2005 : 05:40:43
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Originally posted by The Hooded One
Ah, but simple gags do the same things, and are more fun besides.
And let me tell all scribes true: Alaundo indeed hath a Big Stick.
love,
THO
But I'm told it's not the size of the staff, but how you cast spells from it, that's important...  |
| The Sage |
Posted - 03 Jun 2005 : 02:57:38
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Originally posted by The Hooded One
And let me tell all scribes true: Alaundo indeed hath a Big Stick.
love,
THO
 There's some parts of the Realmslore that you just really don't want to know too much about  ...
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| The Hooded One |
Posted - 03 Jun 2005 : 02:18:37
Ah, but simple gags do the same things, and are more fun besides.
And let me tell all scribes true: Alaundo indeed hath a Big Stick.
love,
THO |
| Chosen of Moradin |
Posted - 02 Jun 2005 : 14:00:56
Hey, Alaundo!
I´m selling a scroll of Silence, if it interest you! It´s very useful to some "dirty rogue works", if you understand me |
| Alaundo |
Posted - 02 Jun 2005 : 08:01:29
:: enters his office, and slams the door closed after The Hooded One enters....then tips The Sage a wink:: |
| The Sage |
Posted - 02 Jun 2005 : 02:39:03
 ... Looks like I'm late to the party again. I missed all the cute little distractions here in this part of the library...
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| The Hooded One |
Posted - 02 Jun 2005 : 01:27:04
Ohhh, Alaundo. you’ve made me wait so LONG to hear that command!
The whip I’ve been carrying around is dusty - - see?
But (purrrrrrr) I’m sure you’ll quickly take care of that. I’ll just remove these unnecessary garments, go to my knees, and enter thy office the way I deserve to: crawling . . .
loooove,
THO
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| Alaundo |
Posted - 01 Jun 2005 : 22:44:23
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Originally posted by The Hooded One
Well said, Wooly.
SB (she purred), come here, close where we can cuddle, and I'll flirt with you. See this? And this? And these? Perhaps your hands are cold, and need a place to warm up...
Ahem. And so on, just as you prefer (or not). I'm often a very bad girl, and need appropriate chastisement. And yes, that's a hint.
love (to all, of course),
THO
Hooded One!!! Thou art distracting the scribes! Now back to thy Realmslore researches! (after stepping into my office of course ) |
| The Hooded One |
Posted - 01 Jun 2005 : 20:24:52
Well said, Wooly.
SB (she purred), come here, close where we can cuddle, and I'll flirt with you. See this? And this? And these? Perhaps your hands are cold, and need a place to warm up...
Ahem. And so on, just as you prefer (or not). I'm often a very bad girl, and need appropriate chastisement. And yes, that's a hint.
love (to all, of course),
THO |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 05 Apr 2005 : 06:12:28
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
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Originally posted by kuje31
And to get back on topic so Big Al doesn't smack us with his big stick. What can we ask Ed about next that relates to the Seven? We know they have other children, what some of thier undergarments are, what they like to eat, what they like as entertainment. We should be able to come up with something more to ask! :)
Make him give us some brief information/tease about what he thinks the future holds for each of them. Make Wooly ask, THO likes him.
I don't think there's anyone she dislikes.
I just happen to flirt back a bit more readily than most people here.  |
| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 05 Apr 2005 : 05:50:59
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Originally posted by kuje31
And to get back on topic so Big Al doesn't smack us with his big stick. What can we ask Ed about next that relates to the Seven? We know they have other children, what some of thier undergarments are, what they like to eat, what they like as entertainment. We should be able to come up with something more to ask! :)
Make him give us some brief information/tease about what he thinks the future holds for each of them. Make Wooly ask, THO likes him. |
| Kuje |
Posted - 05 Apr 2005 : 04:53:48
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
You know what's sad? Upon first reading your post I said to myself, "Why did he put that?"
One second later, "OH yeah, he visits the WOTC boards still." Poor dear. I imagine it's like being in a combat zone with the large amount of posters wishing to talk non-stop about their good aligned dark elf who wields a +5 vorpal moonblade scimitar of death and is about to marry one of the seven sisters.
SB who tied that perfectly back onto topic with the mention of one of the seven sisters.
HAHAH. :)
And to get back on topic so Big Al doesn't smack us with his big stick. What can we ask Ed about next that relates to the Seven? We know they have other children, what some of thier undergarments are, what they like to eat, what they like as entertainment. We should be able to come up with something more to ask! :) |
| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 05 Apr 2005 : 04:46:03
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Originally posted by kuje31
It's because I've been on the boards that should not be named to long and have had tooooooooo many arguements. :)
You know what's sad? Upon first reading your post I said to myself, "Why did he put that?"
One second later, "OH yeah, he visits the WOTC boards still." Poor dear. I imagine it's like being in a combat zone with the large amount of posters wishing to talk non-stop about their good aligned dark elf who wields a +5 vorpal moonblade scimitar of death and is about to marry one of the seven sisters.
SB who tied that perfectly back onto topic with the mention of one of the seven sisters. |
| Kuje |
Posted - 05 Apr 2005 : 04:19:08
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote:
Originally posted by kuje31
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
Sad when you have to place a qualifier like that on your post.  But, I understand the reason for doing so.
It's because I've been on the boards that should not be named to long and have had tooooooooo many arguements. :)
On those boards, they need to set aside a special section just for people to argue.
Of course, if all the "Orcus rules!" and "I want a Drizzit movie!" people went to the argument section, the other sections would be abandoned.
And the few that have to argue back about the planar changes. Yes, yes. You enjoy them, fine. Now leave us alone and allow us to voice that we dont. :) Or the few that are around now, who jump down your throat when you say one comment that might be "critical" against WOTC. Like "I didn't like that change." Well tough WOTC changed it and you have no right to say you don't like it and if you keep that up I will continue to harass you!
Bitter? Me. Nah! :) |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 05 Apr 2005 : 03:48:42
quote:
Originally posted by kuje31
quote:
Originally posted by SiriusBlack
Sad when you have to place a qualifier like that on your post. But, I understand the reason for doing so.
It's because I've been on the boards that should not be named to long and have had tooooooooo many arguements. :)
On those boards, they need to set aside a special section just for people to argue.
Of course, if all the "Orcus rules!" and "I want a Drizzit movie!" people went to the argument section, the other sections would be abandoned. |
| Kuje |
Posted - 05 Apr 2005 : 03:32:40
quote:
Originally posted by SiriusBlack
Sad when you have to place a qualifier like that on your post. But, I understand the reason for doing so.
It's because I've been on the boards that should not be named to long and have had tooooooooo many arguements. :) |
| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 05 Apr 2005 : 03:24:12
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Originally posted by kuje31
Apt, very apt. :) But only with some of the early sourcebooks. :) WOTC has started to redeem themselves in my eyes in the last few sourcebooks but they got a lot of work to do because of the 3.0 ones. And before someone complains or flames me, this is my opinion.
Sad when you have to place a qualifier like that on your post. But, I understand the reason for doing so. |
| Kuje |
Posted - 05 Apr 2005 : 02:58:24
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
All this info is drawn from Cloak & Dagger, a wonderful 2E resource, and one of the last ones we saw before 3E was inflicted on us.
You make it sound like an outbreak of a virus.
Apt, very apt. :) But only with some of the early sourcebooks. :) WOTC has started to redeem themselves in my eyes in the last few sourcebooks but they got a lot of work to do because of the 3.0 ones. And before someone complains or flames me, this is my opinion. |
| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 05 Apr 2005 : 01:46:32
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
All this info is drawn from Cloak & Dagger, a wonderful 2E resource, and one of the last ones we saw before 3E was inflicted on us.
You make it sound like an outbreak of a virus. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 04 Apr 2005 : 23:38:24
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Originally posted by khorne
Finally I know what was meant by "the Manshoon wars". But when did Manshoons clones wake up? And what was this battle between Fzoul, Manshoon and Orgauth? Also, who is Orgauth?
Lord Orgauth was originally a minor noble of Zhentil Keep. He was slain and replaced by a pit fiend. The two met with Sememmon and Manshoon in the Citadel of the Raven on Ches 6, 1370. Manshoon revealed that Orgauth was from out of town, and Orgauth and Fzoul launched a surprise attack against Manshoon, killing him. Sememmon tried to help, but was nearly killed. He remembered that he'd left the oven on, and fled back to Darkhold.
And then, at midnight, four Manshoons dropped by to say "Hi!" to Fzoul and Orgauth. From there, things went downhill.
All this info is drawn from Cloak & Dagger, a wonderful 2E resource, and one of the last ones we saw before 3E was inflicted on us. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 04 Apr 2005 : 23:29:22
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote:
Originally posted by Shadovar
I don't think it was azuth who removed Sammaster Chosen Status, if Mystra imbued him to be a chosen, only she can remove his status as a chosen. Anyway, Sammaster got a list of crimes that resulted in his Chosen status removed.One noteworthy crime is dabbling in necromancy and because Sammaster was of high calibre(which was one of the main reasons Mystra chose him) in magic learning, he mastered necromancy very well. Hence even becoming a lich after death, liches are very difficult ot kill, destroy their phylactery will kill them and stop them from being reborn as a lich again as their life essence is stored there.
I don't have the quote handy, but yes, Azuth did remove Mystra's essence from Sammaster, doing so with her consent. Mystra made the decision, but Azuth enforced it. This comes directly from Ed.
I don't recall the reasoning, but Mystra can't directly reclaim her essence from a Chosen, as I recall. I'll have to find that quote from Ed when I get home.
Here's the quotes I was looking for:
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Note that Mystra’s Chosen have a degree of independence, and CAN choose to suicide. She can bring them back, of course, but not with the powers they held before; they’ll be mere puppets, with mere echoes of their former powers. Chosen of Mystra who choose to defy her but not suicide CAN continue to exist; she can deny them her guidance and aid, and sever them from the company of their fellow Chosen, but not slay them outright, unless she wants to diminish her own divine power permanently. She can, of course, send or manipulate other creatures into slaying them, in which case the divine power they hold will find its gradual way back to her and not be lost to her.
This brings up fascinating character possibilities: the being ‘cursed’ never to die, who desperately wants to and tries to, only to be brought back again and again. Elric and Jack of Shadows (not to mention Terry Pratchett’s Death, as depicted in certain of the Discworld novels) are examples of what sort of being such ‘trapped’ or ‘doomed to repeat’ characters might become, and the subject is something I intend to explore in future projects, both inside and outside the Realms.
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Ed’s reply does indeed “imply that once a being becomes a Chosen, Mystra can't reclaim from that person her own essence.” You point out that “that's exactly what is described as having happened to Sammaster: thru Azuth, Mystra's essence was removed from Sammaster.”
EXACTLY. Sammaster’s silver fire was taken through the actions of Azuth, another deity.
Mystra can forcibly wrest her divine essence (the silver fire) directly from a mortal, but in doing so loses it forever, weakening herself (it does not ‘find its way back to her’ in the normal way, but is GONE). So she won’t do it.
That doesn’t stop Azuth, working with her, from doing it (she’d probably fight any other deity trying it on a mortal located on Toril, and win by using the Weave against them).
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