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| reillan |
Posted - 08 Jun 2007 : 20:46:05
I am trying to determine some truths about Duke Eltan and the Flaming Fist, so I have some questions I'm hoping you folks will know the answers to:
First: Is Duke Eltan dead or alive? The original Baldur's Gate video game has him as dying in 1368, but FRCS has him being alive in 1373. I would like to assume FRCS is correct.
Second: Is anything at all known on any of the other members of the Flaming Fist? I'm specifically looking for LN, LG, or NG people of 6th level or higher. In my campaign, Eltan has continued his colonization efforts in the "new world" and is sending another boat that won't quite make it (imagine the establishment of Jamestown in US history). I need someone to lead that expedition, preferably someone not already dead or stuck defending a fort in the new world. :)
I've searched the net for information, but it's hard finding info about Eltan that isn't tied to the Baldur's Gate video game.
Thanks |
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| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 20 Aug 2007 : 02:21:53
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Originally posted by Ulicus
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Ulicus, I don't consider these novels to have been truth in my Realms. I don't think there's anything wrong with you (or anyone else) ignoring stuff you don't like.
Alas, I'm one of those people who likes everything in "his/her" Realms to stay true to the "official" stuff. 
It's a disease I tell you! 
Being rid of said disease is very liberating, as I said in another thread.
The only trick is, you have to cure yourself. |
| Ulicus |
Posted - 20 Aug 2007 : 02:18:23
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Ulicus, I don't consider these novels to have been truth in my Realms. I don't think there's anything wrong with you (or anyone else) ignoring stuff you don't like.
Alas, I'm one of those people who likes everything in "his/her" Realms to stay true to the "official" stuff.
It's a disease I tell you! |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 20 Aug 2007 : 02:06:35
Ulicus, I don't consider these novels to have been truth in my Realms. I don't think there's anything wrong with you (or anyone else) ignoring stuff you don't like. |
| Ulicus |
Posted - 20 Aug 2007 : 02:04:00
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Is it really a bad thing that that novel has been undone in some way? In my opinion, no. 
Not at all.
Of course, I'd have preferred to see *no* explanation for Eltan and Scar still being around, so I could continue to live my delusion of the BG novel being uncanonical.
Really though, I think it's clear from the poor continuity between (and suspect Realmslore of) the novels themselves that they can't be considered 100% canon.
An example off the top of my head:
BG 1 = Angelo is a Grand Duke of Baldur's Gate
BG 2 = Angelo is referred to as the "soon-to-be Grand Duke" of Baldur's Gate
And I doubt Abdel "canonically" found a note with reference to the children of the "Black Lord" on Gorion's body either. 
So, yeah, whilst there's no doubt in my mind that Abdel Adrian is the "real" Charname, I don't trust anything the novels say about him or his adventures until it's confirmed in a sourcebook.
And Gorion, a priest of Torm? Bah. He'll forever be a Wizard/Paladin of Mystra in my eyes. 
Still, despite my less-than-favourable attitude towards the novels, I'd be pretty giddy if Abdel ended up being a Grand Duke of the Gate. That'd be fitting I think.
Ooo, or maybe they could "Import" him into a Neverwinter Nights novel (except, you know, they'd have to edit the story so that it actually fits in with the rest of the Realms).
Basically, even though the BG novels were bad, I think the character has potential.
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Well, the novel clearly killed Scar and FRCS clearly had him alive at a later date, so in some way he was brought back to life.
--Eric
*cough* Or the novel didn't happen *cough*
But, seriously, I can't find any reference to Scar being alive at all in the FRCS. Eltan, sure - and Ravenscar - but not Scar. *scratches head* |
| ericlboyd |
Posted - 17 Jul 2007 : 14:09:05
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Originally posted by Ulicus
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Originally posted by ericlboyd
Yeah, I noticed when working on Power of Faerun that they died in the novels but were alive in FRCS. To account for this, since the novels occur before FRCS, I had them resurrected, presumably shortly after the events of the novels.
--Eric
But the novel pretty explicitly states that Scar cannot be resurrected....
Well, the novel clearly killed Scar and FRCS clearly had him alive at a later date, so in some way he was brought back to life.
--Eric |
| George Krashos |
Posted - 17 Jul 2007 : 13:31:56
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Originally posted by Ulicus
But the novel pretty explicitly states that Scar cannot be resurrected....
The novel as an omniscient narrator or a character in the novel who could be wrong?
-- George Krashos
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| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 17 Jul 2007 : 02:44:08
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Originally posted by Ulicus
But the novel pretty explicitly states that Scar cannot be resurrected....
Is it really a bad thing that that novel has been undone in some way? In my opinion, no.
Just my opinion, but I don't think any resurrection is absolutely impossible, although it CAN get very difficult. |
| Ulicus |
Posted - 17 Jul 2007 : 01:59:04
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Originally posted by ericlboyd
Yeah, I noticed when working on Power of Faerun that they died in the novels but were alive in FRCS. To account for this, since the novels occur before FRCS, I had them resurrected, presumably shortly after the events of the novels.
--Eric
But the novel pretty explicitly states that Scar cannot be resurrected.... |
| reillan |
Posted - 09 Jun 2007 : 06:33:30
Excellent answers all around, thanks much! |
| ericlboyd |
Posted - 08 Jun 2007 : 23:39:17
Yeah, I noticed when working on Power of Faerun that they died in the novels but were alive in FRCS. To account for this, since the novels occur before FRCS, I had them resurrected, presumably shortly after the events of the novels.
--Eric |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 08 Jun 2007 : 23:22:16
By the way, the Eltan in the video game doesn't necessarily die--he ends up poisoned through treachery and it's up to the PC to rescue him (it's a quest in the game).
Duke Entar and Scar do end up dead, though (and yes, I'm still talking about the game, just so there's no confusion). |
| Kuje |
Posted - 08 Jun 2007 : 23:07:25
There's also Moruene (More-yoo-EEN), 19th Wizard, Female Human, LN, Azuth, Eltan's friend, comrade, and sometimes lover, DM's Sourcebook of the Realms.
Note: She knows/knew the true name of Demogorgon.
I've always wanted to know more about this NPC but I'm afraid to ask because of NDA's for Baldur's Gate.
Also, that info in Power of Faerun is more towards the novels then the game since the novels are canon while the games are not. Eric, I believe it was Eric, referenced the novels more then the game. |
| Mandras |
Posted - 08 Jun 2007 : 22:59:09
According to the WotC book "Power of Faerun" Duke Eltan and his lieutenant Scar were killed in 1368 (the text links the death to the happenings in Baldur's Gate 1 game). But the text also says that both of them were resurrected when the Iron Throne plot failed. As this chapter deals with the events of 1374 I believe both of these characters are alive in 1373. The Forgotten Realms 3rd edition setting says that Eltan is very much alive and still the leader of Fist in 1372.
About the characters of Flaming Fist - The 1st edition Forgotten Realms boxed set names some more beside Eltan and Scar.
The following are the seven senior officers of Fist:
Beluarion (LN, fighter 10)
Kuluaruk (CN, fighter 9)
Bellan (LN, fighter 9)
Nenon (NG, fighter 9)
Koruelve (CN, fighter 9)
Desedrak (LN, fighter 10)
Yulimtul (LN fighter 9)
Their rank is below Scar but above the lesser members of Fist. They are described as section commanders in battle, bodyguards in negotiations and as a protective "hedgehog" around Moruene and Eltan in grand battles. The box also says that they will fight to death for Eltan and Moruene.
They are said to wear plate mails, usually broad(ahem I mean the long)swords and some magical items. No more data (even their sex and race) is given.
Best Regards,
Mandras
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| reillan |
Posted - 08 Jun 2007 : 20:47:38
Oh and third, if Eltan is dead, who is now in charge of the fist? Moruene? |
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