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| Beirnadri Magranth |
Posted - 25 Jan 2006 : 17:02:51
So I have notes about teh history of the nether scrolls. One page of them specifically says Finder uncovered the scrolls in the ancient cellars of the the Citadel of the Mists.
Where did I find this information? I looked all over msot of the tomes I had been reading recently and I couldn't find mention of it other than he was studying in Glaurauchyndar. I can never find a text that states which ruins he uncovered it in!
If he did find it in the Citadel Of the Mists, then it was in the ancient armories of House Dlardrageth. Which Means that somewhere back in the history of the 7 Citadels war (where can I find more info on that btw?) or the history of the crown wars, House Dlardrageth uncovered the Golden Skins of the World Serpent.
This gives credence to my theory that the evil highmage who exists within Aeravin's SuTelkira had studied the nether scrolls. In the end of the second book by Richard Baker it describes Aeraevin studying golden scrolls! The golden nether scrolls were at one time controlled by house Dlardrageth (the house of that highmage [forget his name]) so it is very possible that Aeraevin Telshur did study the Golden Skins of the world Serpent.
Finally, i just wanted to know if any sages could refer me to where I learned of the Finder's discovery as well as where there might be some clues as to how/where/when the Dlardrageths discovered the G.S.otW.S. |
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| Markustay |
Posted - 25 Feb 2013 : 16:01:17
I probably should have created a new thread - the title of this one isn't generating much attention. 
Could a moderator edit that, or is that considered 'rude'? 
Not sure why I have such an aversion to creating new threads... weird quirk, I guess. ANYWAY....
I'm thinking that the 'Mist Master' actually is the Terraseer (or someone working with/for him, and possibly another Sarrukh). I also 'know' that the High forest is sitting on top of a massive meteor... one that was mined for all its 'star metal' in the distant past (see the story, The Staff of Valmaxian, for that reference). The description in the original 'North' product(s) clearly describes a shallow-trajectory impact (unlike at least three others I am aware of).
I wish Selune would go cry somewhere else... her tears are wreaking havoc with Toril. 
On a side note, I just found the updated entry for 'Doc' in the 2e North box - it seems someone really didn't like him at all, and got him the hell out of their ASAP. Not that that bothers me much - I just find it amusing is all (just one more connection between GH and FR, which is all good in my book). |
| Gary Dallison |
Posted - 24 Feb 2013 : 20:01:58
Do share your thoughts/suspicions Markustay, they sound intriguing |
| Bladewind |
Posted - 24 Feb 2013 : 18:18:46
It could be that northern edge has natural mists because of the form of the landscape. In hilly areas colder air flows down into the valleys, and when travelling through sources of moist air turns into mist (for example forest streams). Radiant mist are then formed when the cold air comes into contact with warmer air (collected during daylight) surrounding plants, which is saturated with water (from plant transpiration) and whose thaw points are reached by the loss of warmth to the (very slow) cold wind. Mists are also formed at clear nightskies during dusk or even as late as dawn, when descending cold air comes into contact with lower lying warm air of the forest. Its moist cools just below thaw points (the water droplets usually start forming from just above the ground, or above sources of open water or tiny dust particles).
A more supernatural source of heat or water could be another reason for the ubiquitous mists in the High Forest, like a portal to hell or the elemental plane of fire, a permanent spell changing the weather, or an item like a decanter of endless water.
As the scaley folk were largely cold blooded, I see the Serpent Kingdom in the High Forest as a having a motive to install an external heat source. The yuan-ti or sarruhk would have surely tried their hand at mitigating the climate change, and the northern parts of the high forest are likely to have been the first candidates for any such magical experimentations. Perhaps the weather is controlled by a dormant sarruhk (or group of sarruhk), still (uncounsiously) maintaining a control weather spell over the area. |
| Markustay |
Posted - 24 Feb 2013 : 16:52:08
Okay, I found some relevant info on Pg.97 of SK. Seems I was right, and the Hall of Mists was indeed a Sarrukh place. In fact, it was a place for at least three of the Creator Races.
So here's my thinking now - both 'of the mists' locations are beneath other locations, and near each other. I think that the entire northern edge of the High forest is covering a MASSIVE primordial structure (shrouded in mists), and the two separate locations are really just pieces of a interconnected labyrinth (similar in some ways to how the Citadel of the Raven is setup).
This is an interesting development... I think I know why they been putting all the pieces in all different sources. Its confusing because its supposed to be vague. What IS under the High Forest?  (aside from that giant fungus, I mean).
I still want the original name for the place (or perhaps just the Elven one dating from the Crown wars era). I also have a sneaking suspicion about who the 'Mist Master' really is now (and the connections of the Gatekeeper's Crystal to the three Creator Races of the Ba'etith). In fact, I think that artifact is something Larloch would very much like to get his hands on. |
| Markustay |
Posted - 24 Feb 2013 : 16:18:44
Okay, this thread was as close a one as I could find. To (VERY belatedly) answer the above poster's question...
quote:
Page 103, Lost Empires of Faerūn, under 'The Nether Age'
"The Nether Age began with the discovery of the nether scrolls amid the ruins of Aryvandaar. A Netherese arcanist descended from Therion of Gers discovered two sets of golden scrolls in the ancient cellars of the fortress now known as the Citadel of Mists. At the time of his discovery, the arcanist was an apprentice studying in Glaurachyndaar (later known as Myth Glaurach), the City of Scrolls. During his tenure in Eaerlann, he secretly explored many Vyshaantar ruins with the aid of a serpentskin tome given to him in confidence by the mysterious Terraseer."
Obviously the above poster noted that info and appended it with his own homebrew thoughts as to who that personage was.
Ahem... now for the reason I went looking for a thread like this. I was very confused by the mish-mosh that is the history of the High Forest, which is spread all over the place. I had hoped that I could find a better account in LEoF... and they don't even mention the Citadel of the Mists! Even fact, having heavily referenced that tome for the past hour or so, I am far more confused now then when I started. MAN does this setting need an overhaul - because of the continuity gaffs, we have just about two of everything.
The Seven Citadels War (which looks to me like a mini Crown-War, and seems to have been created just to solve some of those glitches) leaves me scratching my head; what WERE the seven Citadels? Did the Elves just decide they were running out of names for all their pogroms of exterm... errr wars? ANYHOW.... I need to make a list.
1) Citadel of the Mists
2) Hall of the Mists (ahhh... you are beginning to see why I am confused)
3) Grandfather Tree
4) Nameless Dungeon
5) Myth Glaurach (Glaurachyndar)
6) Nar Kaerymhoarth
There are at least two other locales - one in which the Fey'ri 'chilled' in for awhile, and the other they are actively trying to break into. I dislike the Fey'ri, so I won't bother with those (even though they are tied to the much-convoluted history of this region). Some of these places are apparently the same place - like #'s 4 & 6 (although I've found text describing them in different spots), and some may be under others, as is the case of #'s 2 & 3. I'm not sure as to what the difference is from one place being the 'cellars' of another, and one place being the same as another - splitting hairs here.
So what are all the interrelationships between these locales? Are some of them the much-vaunted 'Seven Citadels'? Why do I find so many stray bits of lore tied to both the Citadel of the Mists and the Hall of the Mists? Was this some sort of confusion that snowballed over the years? They are separate places, right? It gets confusing since they have VERY similar histories, including having the Nether Scrolls hidden in both for a time (and not well hidden, considering they were getting moved around). What is the (Elven?) name of the Ruins beneath the Citadel of the Mists? They are said to be truly ancient - is it implying they were old even during the Crown Wars? (Because the Terraseer was also involved in all of this, and we have 'scalyfolk' pouring through portals in at least two of these locations). Does the 'Hall of Mists' also have an older (proper) name? Are they in fact the same place, and I am just really, REALLY confused right now?
What I would like is a 200 page sourcebook written by Ed Greenwood detailing the High Forest for me, with a complete history going all the way back to the Days of Thunder, and revealing all its secrets (and providing scads of new ones). Since I doubt I will ever see my fondest wish, I will settle for anyone who knows anything about any of the above (talk about lowering my expectations). |
| Beirnadri Magranth |
Posted - 12 Apr 2006 : 19:30:31
so richard said he hadnt intended the scrolls mentioned to be the GSotWS but my theory of dlardrageths possessing the scrolls remains... ive read practically all the sources that have elven history in them but still the history between when the scrolls were made to how they ended up in those cellars is vague at best. |
| Beirnadri Magranth |
Posted - 03 Feb 2006 : 03:19:49
hmm i guess nobody knows... or feels like speculating :(
anyway i asked an almost identical question in the "questions for richard baker" thread to see if he supperted this conjecture at all.... now i sit back and wait a while for these people to have some free time enough to be able to answer.
*twiddles thumbs* |
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