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| Talwyn |
Posted - 27 Jan 2005 : 01:34:14
Hail to you all,
just have a question: does anyone know when and where the first temple specifically dedicated to the Triad was done?
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| cpthero2 |
Posted - 15 Feb 2020 : 20:22:36
Master Garen Thal and Learned Scribe Talwyn,
You are spot on Master Thal! I only wanted to add in the date of the Barkmordin as the oldest, Triadic temple. It was built in 809DR!
Best regards,
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Originally posted by Garen Thal
There are some things to be considered when dealing with the Triad as a unified whole:
-Faiths and Pantheons dates the arrival of Tyr in Faerūn at -247 DR. His absorbtion of the older Calishite deity Anachtyr likely took place after the end of the Procession of Justice (-238 DR), when he was already allied with another southern deity, Ilmater.
-Torm was a mortal following the Fall of Netheril, and did not reasonably ascend to godhood until at least -300 DR.
-There are very, very few temples that form a unified worship of the Triad. More often, a temple is primarily dedicated to the worship of one of the deities (usually Tyr), with shrines to the other two. Only certain, remarkable locations--such as the abbey of Barakmordin--are truly dedicated to the Triad as a unified force.
My understanding (some of which I've made up to fill in blanks, of course) is that the former superior of Ilmater was in fact Anachtyr. As Anachtyr grew older and tired of his divine duties (something very difficult for a deity), he became more withdrawn from his allies and followers, no longer the symbol of armed justice he once was. With the coming of Tyr, Anachtyr saw a younger, more vigorous version of himself, and allowed himself to be absorbed following the success of the Procession of Justice, tempering the war-like nature of the interloper god with his own wiser thoughts. With the end of his campaign and the tempering of his nature, Tyr sought out a war captain to oversee his more military efforts, both on Faerūn and throughout the planes: Torm.
Because the largest, oldest, and most lavish temples to Tyr at the time were actually dedicated to Anachtyr, they would, as Steven suggests, be in the area of Calimshan's former empire. Such temples would likely have contained shrines to Ilmater, as well, and following the ascension of Torm, would have gladly added the worship of Tyr's lieutenant to their complexes.
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| Talwyn |
Posted - 29 Jan 2005 : 11:03:11
Thanks guys for all that, it's greatly appreciated.
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| Steven Schend |
Posted - 28 Jan 2005 : 14:12:17
Well, folks, Garen Thal said it far better than I could have. Kudos to him--I could have sworn he was channeling Eric or George there for a second. 
And now you guys have seen an online example of exactly how decisions to correct/clear up historical conundrums were once handled in the Realms. 
Steven
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| Garen Thal |
Posted - 28 Jan 2005 : 00:01:41
There are some things to be considered when dealing with the Triad as a unified whole:
-Faiths and Pantheons dates the arrival of Tyr in Faerūn at -247 DR. His absorbtion of the older Calishite deity Anachtyr likely took place after the end of the Procession of Justice (-238 DR), when he was already allied with another southern deity, Ilmater.
-Torm was a mortal following the Fall of Netheril, and did not reasonably ascend to godhood until at least -300 DR.
-There are very, very few temples that form a unified worship of the Triad. More often, a temple is primarily dedicated to the worship of one of the deities (usually Tyr), with shrines to the other two. Only certain, remarkable locations--such as the abbey of Barakmordin--are truly dedicated to the Triad as a unified force.
My understanding (some of which I've made up to fill in blanks, of course) is that the former superior of Ilmater was in fact Anachtyr. As Anachtyr grew older and tired of his divine duties (something very difficult for a deity), he became more withdrawn from his allies and followers, no longer the symbol of armed justice he once was. With the coming of Tyr, Anachtyr saw a younger, more vigorous version of himself, and allowed himself to be absorbed following the success of the Procession of Justice, tempering the war-like nature of the interloper god with his own wiser thoughts. With the end of his campaign and the tempering of his nature, Tyr sought out a war captain to oversee his more military efforts, both on Faerūn and throughout the planes: Torm.
Because the largest, oldest, and most lavish temples to Tyr at the time were actually dedicated to Anachtyr, they would, as Steven suggests, be in the area of Calimshan's former empire. Such temples would likely have contained shrines to Ilmater, as well, and following the ascension of Torm, would have gladly added the worship of Tyr's lieutenant to their complexes. |
| Dargoth |
Posted - 27 Jan 2005 : 23:46:19
Going off Tyrs entry in F&P
There couldnt be a Temple dedicated to the Triad until well after
-243 DR because Ilmater didnt join Tyr till that year and Torm didnt join until "Years later" |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 27 Jan 2005 : 23:17:25
quote:
Originally posted by Steven Schend
I don't recall where the Triad was first mentioned, but I know I made a lot with them in Lands of Intrigue. Just in terms of historical placement (and some personal bias, I'll admit ), I would probably place some of the first organized churches/temples to the Triad somewhere around the LOI/Calimshan/Deepwash areas as places to which escaped slaves could flee from the genies/efreet/Coramshite/Calishite slavers. Given the ages of those civilizations down thataway, chances are the earliest temples are also long since rubble.
Or perhaps part of one of those temples remains, buried under generations of newer buildings... Just a thought.  |
| Steven Schend |
Posted - 27 Jan 2005 : 15:30:58
I don't recall where the Triad was first mentioned, but I know I made a lot with them in Lands of Intrigue. Just in terms of historical placement (and some personal bias, I'll admit ), I would probably place some of the first organized churches/temples to the Triad somewhere around the LOI/Calimshan/Deepwash areas as places to which escaped slaves could flee from the genies/efreet/Coramshite/Calishite slavers. Given the ages of those civilizations down thataway, chances are the earliest temples are also long since rubble.
Then again, I could be wrong and forgetting some crucial Realmslore that's tied to the gods--a segment I almost always left for Julia and Eric, as it gets too complicated for me at times. 
Steven |
| Garen Thal |
Posted - 27 Jan 2005 : 02:32:40
I'm reasonably sure that Talwyn is referring to The Triad, with a big "T", which refers to the Triad of Law and Good: Tyr, Ilmater and Torm.
As for the date, there's no hard, published Realmslore on the subject, but I'd wager that the first temples containing shrines to all three deities (there aren't really any temples "to the Triad" anywhere) cropped up some time around -200DR. |
| Kentinal |
Posted - 27 Jan 2005 : 02:19:39
Greeting, there appears to be more then one Triad of deities. It would help to know which one you refer to. |
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