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| Sourcemaster2 |
Posted - 20 Jun 2004 : 23:37:58
Just how peaceful is Eldath? Supposedly she forbids violence, but in The Jewel of Turmish, clerics of the Quiet One are involved in a battle against undead. Does the stricture allow the priests to fight undead, or are they allowed to participate in battle anyway? The Shadow of the Avatar series mentions all bloodshedding to be taboo, but I'm uncertain. |
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| cpthero2 |
Posted - 30 Sep 2018 : 20:21:19
Senior Scribe Sourcemaster2,
I love these kinds of ethical and moral questions. I am huge student of philosophy, specifically ethical systems.
I think an Eldathian priest/priestess, looking to justify through their education via their faith (and possibly further), would look to different ethical systems. Religious ethical systems are predicated upon the written word alone, but there are many that commingle with other normative systems. Do they look at things teleologically, in a utilitarian manner, deontologically, or what I think would be the case the most with Eldathian priests: situational ethics.
The undead are bereft of a self that an Eldathian would consider to be capable of receiving violence in my opinion.
However, look no further than an entry in Silver Marches where it was indicated that both Eldath and Mielikki struck down (killed) individuals who brought fire to the forest. Also, consider for a moment the absolute evil that followers of Silvanus (via the Emerald Enclave specifically) push. Those folk are straight up terrorists who use the most perverted form of teleology to justify their position, and frankly, gone far enough.....an egoist perspective, which I feel many within the Emerald Enclave suffer from, in their deluded sense of not being "evil" (whatever evil is, because lets face it: evil is totally open to interpretation).
Best regards,
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Originally posted by Sourcemaster2
Just how peaceful is Eldath? Supposedly she forbids violence, but in The Jewel of Turmish, clerics of the Quiet One are involved in a battle against undead. Does the stricture allow the priests to fight undead, or are they allowed to participate in battle anyway? The Shadow of the Avatar series mentions all bloodshedding to be taboo, but I'm uncertain.
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| Tethtoril |
Posted - 22 Jun 2004 : 01:32:15
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Originally posted by Mumadar Ibn Huzal
Maybe Tethoril can find it in his (ahem) private scrolls 
Alas, I do not have that piece of lore within my private library.    |
| Mumadar Ibn Huzal |
Posted - 21 Jun 2004 : 19:52:22
I do recall what you are referring to George. And it is not yet in the FAQ or int the lore of Candlekeep yet...? Drat! And I can't find it in my own archives either...
Maybe Tethoril can find it in his (ahem) private scrolls |
| George Krashos |
Posted - 21 Jun 2004 : 09:37:25
I seem to recall ages ago Ed answering a query on Eldath and why she would have a spell like "wheel of bones" as one of her deity specific ones - not very peaceful and all. IIRC Ed answered that the published FR Eldath is slightly different from how he originally had her in his Realms. Basically, one of her portfolios was 'guardian of groves' and it was considered okay to use bits of old corpse bones to defend groves (thus creating more bones to use next time ...). Someone might have the original Realms-L text somewhere. Faraer?
-- George Krashos
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| Kuje |
Posted - 21 Jun 2004 : 06:28:11
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
Thank you for the confirmation. I've never read any of his work. I thought I would get the chance with the conclusion of WOTSQ. Alas, we all know how that turned out.
No problem, and yes so we do. :) His Threat from the Sea novels are good as well. |
| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 21 Jun 2004 : 05:31:45
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Originally posted by kuje31
Yes.
Thank you for the confirmation. I've never read any of his work. I thought I would get the chance with the conclusion of WOTSQ. Alas, we all know how that turned out. |
| Kuje |
Posted - 21 Jun 2004 : 05:24:52
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
The Jewel of Turmish, is that Mel Odom who wrote that?
Yes. |
| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 21 Jun 2004 : 05:08:57
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Originally posted by Sourcemaster2
The clerics weren't main characters, but they were present in several scenes.
At least it's something for the Eldath fans. The Jewel of Turmish, is that Mel Odom who wrote that? |
| Sourcemaster2 |
Posted - 21 Jun 2004 : 04:17:29
The clerics weren't main characters, but they were present in several scenes. |
| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 21 Jun 2004 : 04:12:02
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Originally posted by Sourcemaster2
Sort of. The undead allowence seems most likely, though, because earlier in the novel, a group of priests set out to attack the main enemy, a mohrg.
Interesting. I didn't even realize there was a novel that featured an Eldath cleric. Thanks for that information. |
| Sourcemaster2 |
Posted - 21 Jun 2004 : 03:05:47
Sort of. The undead allowence seems most likely, though, because earlier in the novel, a group of priests set out to attack the main enemy, a mohrg. |
| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 21 Jun 2004 : 02:54:33
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Originally posted by Sourcemaster2
Just how peaceful is Eldath? Supposedly she forbids violence, but in The Jewel of Turmish, clerics of the Quiet One are involved in a battle against undead. Does the stricture allow the priests to fight undead, or are they allowed to participate in battle anyway? The Shadow of the Avatar series mentions all bloodshedding to be taboo, but I'm uncertain.
This deity's dogma in Faiths & Avatars does mention that followers can defend. Would that seem to apply in the situations you mentioned above? |
| Arivia |
Posted - 21 Jun 2004 : 02:52:58
I believe you've just solved your own question-fighting undead is not bloodshedding in D&D. |
