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| Daviot |
Posted - 09 May 2021 : 03:40:57
There is an unexplained reference in Races of Faerūn in the section about the history of the Illuskan ethnicity, it mentions that Neverwinter was originally called "Eiggerstor" in its founding in 87. I cross-referenced the Grand History of the Realms, which only says thus:
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87 DR Year of the Hoar Frost
Eigersstor[sic] (Neverwinter) is founded.
Given that this appears similar to a genitive noun in Germanic languages (Eigger's Tor/Hill), has the name changed over the years, or is this meant to be an Illuskan translation of "Neverwinter"? |
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| TheIriaeban |
Posted - 08 Dec 2021 : 19:04:25
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Originally posted by sleyvas
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Originally posted by TheIriaeban
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Originally posted by sleyvas
And on its polar opposite in Abeir, there is a city there, but its called Everwinter. Hardly anyone lives there because for some reason the place is colder than anywhere around it. Of course, the frost giants find the place exhilarating. J/K and hopefully not giving WotC ideas 
That could be used for Neverwinter's analog in the plane of shadow with the chill coming from a stronger than normal connection to the negative energy plane. Frost giants may not like it but undead would. Perhaps it is ruled by a lich?
Lol, a SHADOW primordial is beneath the city... and its the shadow of Maegera the fire primordial of Gauntlgrym... created when the sundering happened by the sleeping Maegera... and the caverns around it are filled with darklings, sent there by Shar (because Shar does everything with shadows) to harvest the destructive Darkfyre energy of the primordial shadow.... and the river that runs through Everwinter runs from Mt. Darkenow.... the reflection of Mt. Hotenow on the shadowfell
Gods help me if this ever makes it into a product.
People in the street will stop and point at you while making a weird shrieking noise ala Invasion of the Body Snatchers. |
| sleyvas |
Posted - 08 Dec 2021 : 18:30:17
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Originally posted by TheIriaeban
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Originally posted by sleyvas
And on its polar opposite in Abeir, there is a city there, but its called Everwinter. Hardly anyone lives there because for some reason the place is colder than anywhere around it. Of course, the frost giants find the place exhilarating. J/K and hopefully not giving WotC ideas
That could be used for Neverwinter's analog in the plane of shadow with the chill coming from a stronger than normal connection to the negative energy plane. Frost giants may not like it but undead would. Perhaps it is ruled by a lich?
Lol, a SHADOW primordial is beneath the city... and its the shadow of Maegera the fire primordial of Gauntlgrym... created when the sundering happened by the sleeping Maegera... and the caverns around it are filled with darklings, sent there by Shar (because Shar does everything with shadows) to harvest the destructive Darkfyre energy of the primordial shadow.... and the river that runs through Everwinter runs from Mt. Darkenow.... the reflection of Mt. Hotenow on the shadowfell
Gods help me if this ever makes it into a product. |
| TheIriaeban |
Posted - 08 Dec 2021 : 14:35:47
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Originally posted by sleyvas
And on its polar opposite in Abeir, there is a city there, but its called Everwinter. Hardly anyone lives there because for some reason the place is colder than anywhere around it. Of course, the frost giants find the place exhilarating. J/K and hopefully not giving WotC ideas
That could be used for Neverwinter's analog in the plane of shadow with the chill coming from a stronger than normal connection to the negative energy plane. Frost giants may not like it but undead would. Perhaps it is ruled by a lich? |
| sleyvas |
Posted - 08 Dec 2021 : 12:13:14
And on its polar opposite in Abeir, there is a city there, but its called Everwinter. Hardly anyone lives there because for some reason the place is colder than anywhere around it. Of course, the frost giants find the place exhilarating. J/K and hopefully not giving WotC ideas |
| George Krashos |
Posted - 08 Dec 2021 : 12:00:41
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Originally posted by Zeromaru X
Interesting, and really illuminating. And somehow makes sense with the legend in the Neverwinter Nights game.
Not an easy thing to do.
-- George Krashos |
| Zeromaru X |
Posted - 08 Dec 2021 : 00:21:46
Interesting, and really illuminating. And somehow makes sense with the legend in the Neverwinter Nights game. |
| Daviot |
Posted - 10 May 2021 : 02:51:34
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Originally posted by George Krashos
Years later, Chondathan settlers in Eigersstor would come to call the settlement Neverwinter, a rough translation of the original Illuskan name, rendered in Chondathan and Common.
Exactly what I was wondering; thanks! |
| George Krashos |
Posted - 09 May 2021 : 13:59:56
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Originally posted by Daviot
There is an unexplained reference in Races of Faerūn in the section about the history of the Illuskan ethnicity, it mentions that Neverwinter was originally called "Eiggerstor" in its founding in 87. I cross-referenced the Grand History of the Realms, which only says thus:
quote:
87 DR Year of the Hoar Frost
Eigersstor[sic] (Neverwinter) is founded.
Given that this appears similar to a genitive noun in Germanic languages (Eigger's Tor/Hill), has the name changed over the years, or is this meant to be an Illuskan translation of "Neverwinter"?
The spelling in Races of Faerūn is incorrect - GHotR has the correct spelling.
In ancient times the elves established great kingdoms that dominated the woodlands of Faerūn. One of he most storied was the realm of Illefarn, whose dominance the Sword Coast North region was such that its name would live on in memory long after the realm proper had fallen.
History tells us that the Illefarn as a unified realm ceased to exist -1100 DR but the woodland realms that made up this kingdom continued for many centuries. The most northern of these was the realm of Iliyanbruen located in what is now known as the Neverwinter Wood. This forest, known as Nothaar to the elves, accommodated over a dozen moon and wood elf clans who after the dissolution of Illefarn were all affiliated to the great houses of Evermeet and Evereska. The realm was ruled by council of noble elders known as the Shantanalar (in the moon elven tongue Treespeakers), comprised of the leaders of the five noble houses Gillias, Ilbaereth, Never, Tarangor, and Varalath. The elves of Iliyanbruen managed to survive the depredations of orc hordes, dragon attacks and even the arrival of the damaged Netherese enclave of Xinlenal, which crashed into the woods and brought devastation to the elves, but their days of glory and might were now a thing of the past.
In the end, the elves of Iliyanbruen succumbed to a great enemy that they could not master: humanity. A war against the tyrannical wizards of the city of Illusk to the north brought victory at a cost and the wisest of the Shantanalar, the aged but still vigorous Lord Halueth Never, realised that the elves had to live in harmony with the N`Tel`Quess or risk utter ruin. And so it was, in the Year of the Rising Flame (0 DR), that Halueth had cause to build a castle where the city of Neverwinter currently stands at a place where he had p.ersonally led the elves of Iliyanbruen to victory over the humans of Illusk. He invited the then ruler of Illusk, the Arcanatar Lomias, to celebrate the festival of CinnaelosCor with him, renewing the Pact of Mirar between their two realms and encouraging trade and other peaceful interactions at the site. The Never elves took on the role of liaison between the elves of Iliyanbruen and the humans of Illusk and other places that sought the counsel of the elves or simple trade. This role continued even after the death of Lord Halueth, for he had counselled tolerance and patience on the part of his family members, and despite the years seeing most elves retreat into the deeper woodlands the Never elves retained a presence there providing wisdom, friendship and knowledge to the humans. In time, Iliyanbruen ceded the coast to the humans, allowing settlement by fisherfolk and homesteaders along what would be called the Twilit Lands. These few, small settlements and villages were established and inhabited by former citizens of Illusk in the main who had left their grim northern home to escape the capricious and oppressive rule of the wizards in power there.
In time however these frontier settlements became a target for the sea raiders known as the Northmen. Coming from the isle of Ruathym and out of the islands of the Trackless Sea, these fierce warriors arrived in their longships to pillage and take slaves. The Twilit Lands were ripe for plunder and suffered greatly due to Northmen depredations but over time, many of these raiders stayed to form settlements of their own, marrying local women and choosing a life along the verdant coast rather than eke out an existence in the rough and barren islands to the west. Of these Northmen, the greatest was the mighty Tarun. Arriving in the Twilit Lands in 87 DR with a flotilla of over twenty longships, Tarun landed with his warriors near Castle Never where he demanded an audience and made it clear that he now claimed the region. The Never elves had dwindled in number to about two-score by the time of Taruns arrival and knew that they could not defeat the Northmen if it came to open battle but even so, they would not depart their home despite the demands of Tarun to do so, for he sought a ready-made fortress home for himself and considered the elves weak and ripe for the slaughter. As the few, proud but clearly doomed elves arrayed for battle in their shining mail along the battlements of Castle Never, aid came too late from an unlooked-for source.
A human named Garlant, a friend of the Never elves, had gathered the warriors of the surrounding villages and they fell upon the Northmen raiders when they were recovering from their costly clash with the elves, driving them back into the sea and setting their ships afire. After their victory and to Garlant's dismay, they discovered that the Never elves had all fallen and they were interred with honor in the crypts below the castle. Garlant built a tower on a small hillock nearby to be his seat of rule, claiming the rich and fertile lands along the mouth of what would become the Neverwinter River and calling his settlement Eigersstor. Years later, Chondathan settlers in Eigersstor would come to call the settlement Neverwinter, a rough translation of the original Illuskan name, rendered in Chondathan and Common.
-- George Krashos
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| ericlboyd |
Posted - 09 May 2021 : 04:21:03
The original reference to Eigersstor is from FR5 - The Savage Frontier, page 19.
I'm not aware of when the name changed to Neverwinter, but perhaps George has an idea.
--Eric |
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