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| Jeremy Grenemyer |
Posted - 18 Apr 2015 : 07:12:03
Does anyone know the common name given to the Dragonmere by the elves?
Was there a different name given to it by the elves that displaced Thauglomorious?
Thankee in advance! :) |
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| Markustay |
Posted - 23 Apr 2015 : 17:55:13
As for the 'Cor' in Cormyr, that prefix has to do with forests, like 'wooded land', but not in the normal human context. There is a bit reverence/holiness placed upon it as well; something along the lines of 'exalted of nature' might be closer, if we go back into early elven (late Fey?) language. I have surmised this because the current (excepted by humans) translation is 'forest', but like any translation something is lost, and in this case, all the glory that elves put behind it. We also see it in the exalted elven positions, like Coronal. It is used in front of things that are worthy of some respect (which makes sense, because Elves revered the huge, primal forests of Faerūn). So something like Cormanthyr might translate (loosely) to 'blessed land', whereas Cormanthor might translate to 'Blessed kingdom of the elves' (once again, VERY loosely).
I suppose there may have been a water version as well, mainly used by sea elves - perhaps something like 'maer' (blessed water) that has devolved into the human 'mere'. Something like Aluormmaer - 'revered waters of the sea dragons'.
Just my 2¢.
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Originally posted by Jeremy Grenemyer
I suppose there could have been multiple names among the elves for the Dragonmere, depending on the point in time and which elves you asked.
Pretty much THIS.
The mythic 'giant kingdom' that existed in or around the Inner Sea may have just referred to it as 'The Giant Sea' (since the SoFS looked VERY different back - probably just a cluster of smaller bodies of water, like the Great Lakes) in their language. In fact, that 'arm' that is the Dragonmere probably didn't even exist then, so the whole region could have had different names for each smaller body of water.
I am sure the Sarrukh and Batrachi had their own names as well. |
| hilary31 |
Posted - 23 Apr 2015 : 09:04:28
good stuff to know! |
| Jeremy Grenemyer |
Posted - 20 Apr 2015 : 22:21:57
Good stuff!
I suppose there could have been multiple names among the elves for the Dragonmere, depending on the point in time and which elves you asked.
Hrm...must ask Ed a precise question, then. |
| Gary Dallison |
Posted - 19 Apr 2015 : 12:48:42
Interesting. Orm is similar to worm or wyrm.
There are a few names that make some sense now. Cormyr itself for one. corm orp, ormserpent both may have a dragon association.
Osraun mountains may mean large.
good stuff to know. Cheers George |
| George Krashos |
Posted - 19 Apr 2015 : 11:50:57
quote:
Originally posted by Jeremy Grenemyer
Does anyone know the common name given to the Dragonmere by the elves?
Was there a different name given to it by the elves that displaced Thauglomorious?
Thankee in advance! :)
I'd go with Ormaluraun.
Ed has told me in times past that the elvish word for dragon is "orm". The word for water is "alu" and large is "raun" (so for me, "aluraun" is the word for sea and "araluraun" is ocean [great sea]).
Hope this is helpful.
-- George Krashos |
| Gary Dallison |
Posted - 19 Apr 2015 : 07:43:31
Also as an after thought, ryeniir is not a million miles away from dragonmere, phonetically speaking.
Accidentally swap the y for a g then add a d at the front and an m in the middle and you have drgenmiir.
I found one source that says the lake has sea dragons in it but the only thing I found supporting that is the quelzarm in Westgate. Maybe the dragonmere is a spelling cockup and was never named after dragons at all. |
| Jeremy Grenemyer |
Posted - 19 Apr 2015 : 00:34:21
Thanks everyone and dazzler in particular. :) |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 18 Apr 2015 : 22:34:43
I wonder what the dragons called it? The Usmere?  |
| Gary Dallison |
Posted - 18 Apr 2015 : 20:57:21
Well I checked out Grand History of the Realms and Lost Empires for a map of ancient times and found nothing on there.
I checked out my archive for Cormyr, the Dragon Coast, and the Sea of Fallen Stars and found nothing there either.
Cormanthor may have had limited contact with the elves of the sea of fallen stars in times gone by (given the various transformation rituals that took place and the transference of noble houses into and out of the inner sea from Cormanthor) and so the lake could have been named after a sea elven nation in the area.
At the moment Naramyr exists in that region but is a bit more recent, however it is named after something to do with a long dead sea elven kingdom in the area called Ryeniir (around during the time of Aryselmalyr). So if I were to hazard a guess I would name it Lake Ryeniir. |
| Markustay |
Posted - 18 Apr 2015 : 20:34:25
I now the Elves referred to the Moonsea as the 'Dragonsea' early-on, so it does make sense that they would NOT have named the Dragonmere something similar (to avoid confusion).
They also had myths about a 'giant empire' or some such in or around the Inner Sea, which could be another reason why they may have not named the (now) Dragonmere after dragons. What they would have called it is anybody's guess.
In fact - is there a different name for it on the Netherease maps? Does it even appear on them? (I have no time to check at this point). A lot of stuff had different names on those maps. |
