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| Demzer |
Posted - 17 Jul 2013 : 16:57:00
I have some questions regarding dragons in the Realms.
For reference: i'm running Realms campaigns set in 1373 and onward, i'm shaping *my* Realms differently from canon (completely ignoring 4e, Spellplauge and a few other events like sudden bursts of deific death rate for my own reasons) but i try to look where canon took some npcs, monsters and plots after 1373 to get a better idea and another perspective on how things evolve.
1 - Did Malygris really just bow down to the Shades? Is he actively serving the Shadovars? His title as "Suzerain of Anauroch" was a merely formal one or did he have a say in other blue dragons doing in the desert?
2 - After the death of Sammaster and the destruction of the Dracorage Mythal Capstone, what are the majority of the Realms dragons doing? There was a shower of dragon eggs too sometime after Nightal 1373 so after 100 years there should be a lot of young dragons roaming around and some of the old ones should have figured out something changed about the King Killer Star (like the fact that last dracorage was without the Star or that in this time the Star maybe showed up and nothing happened or something). I've read Tchazzar is back and has been headbutting Alassomethingbastos for rulership of Chessenta and nearby lands but what about all the other powerful, famous or infamous dragons? |
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| Derulbaskul |
Posted - 23 Jul 2013 : 10:10:43
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Originally posted by Hoondatha
Yes, I was talking about Return of the Archwizards. A series so bad, it actually made me stop reading FR novels for two years.
Yeah, it was two years or so for me also. |
| Hoondatha |
Posted - 18 Jul 2013 : 21:56:57
Yes, I was talking about Return of the Archwizards. A series so bad, it actually made me stop reading FR novels for two years. |
| Demzer |
Posted - 18 Jul 2013 : 18:11:05
Alright so Malygris was magically compelled to bow down to the Shades and there is a trilogy of books detailing the last deeds of Tchazzar and Alasklerbanbastos and their minions (in the case of Al this means other lesser dragons).
On Malygris: so the Shades just told him to keep a low profile and don't bother them or him and his family/clan are an asset of the Empire?
On other dragons post spellplague: anything else? Any other old or new infamous scaly overlord did something? Has the church of Tiamat done anything with the dragon eggs of late 1370s or were those not true dragon eggs?
Thanks to all the Scribes for the informations so far and thanks for anything more you can provide. |
| Dennis |
Posted - 18 Jul 2013 : 16:42:36
I believe he’s referring to The Return of the Archwizards. I loved it. To each his own, of course. While it has some “flaws,” the sheer fun and exciting moments in the trilogy made it quite worth my pernicious time. |
| Emma Drake |
Posted - 18 Jul 2013 : 16:36:21
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Originally posted by Hoondatha
Heck, that trilogy was so badly written I just ignore everything from it.
On the other hand, if I were sitting next to a race of uber invincible designer favorite Mary Sues, and I was smart, I'd bow down to them as well. At least until those designers left the company. So the answer to the OP's #1 is quite likely yes. Whether Malygris intends to remain "bowed" is an entirely different matter.
Which trilogy is that? |
| Dennis |
Posted - 18 Jul 2013 : 14:46:49
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Originally posted by Demzer
Is there any information at all in 4e about draconic deeds or they just poofed with the Spellplague never to be seen again? I mean, that is still Dungeons and Dragons, right?
Dragons—living, undead, and somewhere in between—don key roles in Richard’s Brotherhood of the Griffon series. The first three, that is—The Captive Flame, Whisper of Venom, and The Spectral Blaze. And they’re all set in 4E. Given the plot and subplots, one can safely change the title of the series to “Dragons of the East.” |
| Dennis |
Posted - 18 Jul 2013 : 14:41:31
If you haven’t yet read the novels by Troy and Richard, the following would be major spoilers:
1. No, Malygris didn’t just bow to Telamont. He was controlled through magic.
2. The self-proclaimed god Tchazzar is dead. Jhesri, a formidable elementalist, practically siphoned all his flames, leaving him an empty shell.
3. Alasklerbanbastos was killed by the concerted efforts of Aoth (captain of the Brotherhood of the Griffon), Cera (a priestess of Amaunator), and a great number of priests from several sects in Chessenta.
4. The vampire dragon Brimstone still lives and acts as the scorekeeper of xorvintal, a ridiculous game of the dragons. |
| Demzer |
Posted - 18 Jul 2013 : 09:33:47
Re: Shade and the Shadovars: yes i've already modified and rewritten their return to the Realms to suit my campaign needs.
Back on the other dragons topic: i have Dragons of Faerun and i'm basing the dragon activities in my campaign on the informations in it and in the Wyrms of the North articles.
I'm looking for informations about the other dragons post Spellplague and in the 4e Realms (1470-1480) to get ideas on how i can make them evolve.
I mean, 100 years passed and Daurgothot is still researching? So much for 25 class levels, super duper intelligence and almost infinite resources ...
What about Iymrith? Did she finally made her perfect mechanical body or perfect statue? Or was she wiped out in a sidenote of the Shade Empire rise?
Did Valraxaxath complete his portal network? Did he get some big names on his side?
Did Sapphiraktar the Blue succeed in getting Iryklathagra and her daughter under his influence or he had to use Balagos to kill or force her to leave?
Did Arveiaturace finally find someone worthy of replacing Meltharond?
Is there any information at all in 4e about draconic deeds or they just poofed with the Spellplague never to be seen again? I mean, that is still Dungeons and Dragons, right? |
| Hoondatha |
Posted - 17 Jul 2013 : 22:56:50
Heck, that trilogy was so badly written I just ignore everything from it.
On the other hand, if I were sitting next to a race of uber invincible designer favorite Mary Sues, and I was smart, I'd bow down to them as well. At least until those designers left the company. So the answer to the OP's #1 is quite likely yes. Whether Malygris intends to remain "bowed" is an entirely different matter. |
| Gary Dallison |
Posted - 17 Jul 2013 : 21:28:54
It does seem odd that an entire family of dragons ruled over by a dracolich would just bow down to a single city of arch wizards (they could just relocate if they wanted to).
But the shades seemed to be an invincible super power that destroyed or subjugated everything around it, and then suddenly stopped short of conquering neighbouring realms so they could rule over a desert.
I found lots to do with the shades highly suspect. Why would the Phaerimm if they were indeed displaced by a powerful magic using race then go and attack another powerful magic using race (the elves of Evereska). I realise they wanted magic to feed on, but they could have easily gone into the stonelands north of Cormyr, that has lots of magic hidden in it left unclaimed.
Why would the super shades that have battered everything in their path suddenly forget about various spells and allow a team of miniaturised chosen onto their floating city to destroy their source of power (has no one heard of Mordenkainen's disjunction.
If I were you I would rewrite the details to do with the Shades yourself. I just kept the major events I liked (the blasting of Tilverton into Ravenloft - thankyou candlekeep and the scribe for that amazing idea. The slow terraforming of Anauroch. The dispersal of the remaining Phaerimm. The dissolving of the Sharn Wall).
I had the phaerimm move south and occupy the stonelands then get attacked front and back by the shades and Cormyr, but not before a group of beholders and their Phaerimm masters attempted to destroy the mythallar on the city of shade.
I ignored the karsestone being used to generate shadow bubbles and instead had the mythallar ( a near artefact magic item anyway) be used to power the shades magic which when damaged stopped them using it to power the various terraforming magics they were using. |
| Hoondatha |
Posted - 17 Jul 2013 : 21:11:58
I stand corrected. I'll need to take a look at the "errata." Even incomplete, the WE is still a lot better than hunting for the dragons yourself. |
| Kuje |
Posted - 17 Jul 2013 : 21:09:47
Well, not every dragon since I corrected Eric years ago about some he missed but the WOTC file never got updated. So if anyone wants to find those missing dragons, they are on my files that just got posted in that other thread. :)
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Originally posted by Hoondatha
There's also a really useful Excel spreadsheet that WotC put out as a web enhancement for Dragons of Faerun that has every dragon ever published, along with their status (ie: living, dead, undead), gender, type, age, and lair. It also gives all of its sources, so you know where to go looking for more information.
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| Hoondatha |
Posted - 17 Jul 2013 : 19:18:10
There's also a really useful Excel spreadsheet that WotC put out as a web enhancement for Dragons of Faerun that has every dragon ever published, along with their status (ie: living, dead, undead), gender, type, age, and lair. It also gives all of its sources, so you know where to go looking for more information. |
| Bladewind |
Posted - 17 Jul 2013 : 17:49:25
You might want to check out the excellent 3.5 FR tome Dragons of Fearun. Its got dozens of descriptions of named dragons around 1374 DR. |
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