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| Markustay |
Posted - 26 Feb 2009 : 20:28:24
What source would I find this in? 
Edit: Rather then start another thread, I just added to this one (since it all pertains to my current mapping project).
Edit 2: I changed it again - looking for 'Avery' now, which apears as a bridge-town in Erlkazar, where Impresk Lake feeds in the Dragonwash.
Edit 3: Changed again, in search of something new. This is metioned in PftF - it appears to be a town or village, and the only other identifiable 'feature' is that 'snows' is mentione in reference to it, which makes me think it's in more northerly climbs (but not neccessarily so, since the 'snows' were encountered enroute from Hlondeth). |
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| Markustay |
Posted - 05 Jun 2012 : 01:36:00
All I did was add a link - I had a hard time finding the relevant information myself. I had to use this thread, compare dates, and then leaf-through Ed's (because going through one of his threads without a clue is like looking for needle in a haystack).
This way, anyone seeing Aralent on one of my maps and trying to dig up information will find this thread, and then Ed's answer. I should link his latest reply (on that same subject) as well.
@Brimstone - starting from scratch, dude - those maps (and the comp) are all gone. I only just started mapping again a weak ago (first thanks to Erik Boyd for giving me a much-needed incentive to fire-up GIMP, and then to Dalor Darden for giving me some interesting stuff to think about).
That just means everything will eventually get better (who'd have pegged me for an optimist?)  |
| Dalor Darden |
Posted - 03 Jun 2012 : 20:35:44
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay
Actually - if you read Ed's thread, I got an amazing answer to my question... and found another canon locale for EVERYONE! 
I really need to get this UE blank map done, so I can do a revised version of Erlkazar... yet again.
I think you (MT) are one of the few people that digs up their own post, edits it, and then moves on...took me five minutes to figure out which post on this scroll you edited...and I have no idea what it used to look like! |
| Jakk |
Posted - 08 Mar 2009 : 05:04:08
How's the big picture looking, Mark? You're talking about increasing the resolution, so I'm guessing crowded in spots... is the main terrain texturing of Kara-Tur complete, then? I know you had to enlarge Wa/Kozakura/etc., but I don't think I've seen an update since then... but I've been away from the board for a while working on my own 3.x Realms stuff, mostly rules-related and pantheon-enlarging. |
| Markustay |
Posted - 08 Mar 2009 : 00:04:04
Actually - if you read Ed's thread, I got an amazing answer to my question... and found another canon locale for EVERYONE!
I really need to get this UE blank map done, so I can do a revised version of Erlkazar... yet again. |
| BlackAce |
Posted - 07 Mar 2009 : 22:02:49
Sorry Mark. A perusal of my old notes turns up no further mention of Aralent. However from looking up the passage in Prayers and the implication that Graycloak's band died on the road, with the tome resurfacing in Amn, I bet it lies somwhere along the Pikeman's Folly. It's certainly not on the Maps in Vilhon Reach nor has a careful read turned up any mention of it there either. |
| Markustay |
Posted - 06 Mar 2009 : 14:17:42
In Search of...
Aralent, mentioned in Ilmater's entry (Tome of Torment) in PftF. That particular entry turnedout to be a goldmine of lost locales, and it even alertred me to two things I had left-off of my Calimashan map (The Singing Rocks, and the name of the Purple Hills).
It appears to be a town or village, and the only other identifiable 'feature' is that 'snows' is mentioned in reference to it, which makes me think it's in more northerly climbs (but not neccessarily so, since the 'snows' were encountered enroute from Hlondeth).
Usually Ed identifies ruins as such, but this appears to be a functional place as of 1343, which isn't all that long ago. I have a feeling I'm just over-looking it, and it's right in front of my face.
Thanks --- Mark |
| Markustay |
Posted - 05 Mar 2009 : 16:33:35
I'll throw it in an empty spot - I hate empty spots.
I found-out that Dejaan - those ruins the Twisted Rune Vampiress lives in - should have been much closer to the Deepwash then the maps indicated, so I have some spare space in the High Peaks now.
Anyhow, I dropped Avery, used the canon Furrowsrich for Old Elestam, and used 'Old Elestam' for the name of my conjectured bridge town (that name is psuedo-canon - it's mentioned at least one, but not quite in the way I'm using it).
Found lots of good stuff in Shilmista in the novels - I think I'm going to have to finaly bump-up the resolution... I'm running out of room using the official map's 72dpi. |
| Brimstone |
Posted - 05 Mar 2009 : 04:25:43
-It was/is a Dungeon in the novel Obsidian Ridge. A Deepspawn named Clusterfang was in it. Clusterfang I found out works with either the Twisted Rune, or the Rundeen. I dont remember which. I think it was a place that the author created just for the book. I dont know, but I would like to know.
BRIMSTONE |
| Markustay |
Posted - 05 Mar 2009 : 02:10:41
The Celler? 
Tell me more. <insert hand-rubbing smiley here>
Or rather... tell me what it is, and where YOU think it should go.
Oh... and I guess if it even existed in 1375.  |
| Brimstone |
Posted - 05 Mar 2009 : 01:30:30
-Obsidian Ridge is the novel Markus. 
-I am still trying and waiting for an anwser about where the Cellar is from that novel.  I asked the author awhile back and no answer. I guess I get to put it where ever I want now. 
BRIMSTONE |
| The Sage |
Posted - 04 Mar 2009 : 23:49:08
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay
Did you read the newer one? The one with the floating keep?
No, not yet. So I can't help you there. That is, until I've read it. I *might* try and give it a brief scan over the weekend.
Edit: Ah, well. Doesn't look like I have to now, eh?
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| Markustay |
Posted - 04 Mar 2009 : 23:43:32
Nevermind.
It was this -
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Originally posted by Markustay
I would just say I made it up, but it doesn't even sound like something I would have (unless I got it from somewhere, which is what I'm thinking - maybe it was someone's name?)
and this....
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Originally posted by Markustay
It could be as simple as me thinking there should have been a town where such a major (and ancient) bridge stands, especially considering the imporatance of that route.
Put together - I decided there really should be a settlement there, and the Erlkazar booklets mentions several unnamed villages in each of the Baronies, so what I did is put one where I thought there should be one, and named it after Cadderly's mentor.
Uh-Doh! 
The map is supposed to be current as of 1375 DR, and I was projecting forward some of the stuff Schend mentions about 'increased trade and good relations' now the Tethyrian Interregnum was over. A Town (newly re-named where the nameless village once stood) and an outpost at the bridge seemed like a logical thing to have (especially considering it's also a border with a nearby citystate - he who controls the Bridge holds the power).
Edit: And I see BlackAce figured it out before I even 'sent' my post. |
| BlackAce |
Posted - 04 Mar 2009 : 23:40:53
IIRC, Headmaster Avery was the name of one of the characters in the Cleric Quintet. Could you have used that? |
| Markustay |
Posted - 04 Mar 2009 : 23:29:17
Did you read the newer one? The one with the floating keep?
Sometimes I get locales from people over at WotC from novels I haven't read.
I would just say I made it up, but it doesn't even sound like something I would have (unless I got it from somewhere, which is what I'm thinking - maybe it was someone's name?)
I find it odd in that I normally make notations over at DeviantART of what parts of a map are non-canon, or even psuedo-canon (as is the case with much of the Utter East one). Now, I have the terrible habit of just taking all my maps down over there every once in awhile, and I never bother to copy the notations.
HOWEVER, Alaundo... being so brilliant and full of forethought - does indeed copy all my notes and puts them with the maps here at the keep. Now, I've change that map at least three times since the original, but he has my original notes there. I see the other stuff I 'fudged' in the notes, but not Avery. 
The problem is, Avery doesn't appear on my earliest copies, so that could be why its not in those early notations. It appeared sometime during my last revision.
I'm even going back and checking all my notes on the Tethir road, and even the Kingdom that created it - Andlath.
It could be as simple as me thinking there should have been a town where such a major (and ancient) bridge stands, especially considering the imporatance of that route.
Hmmmm... me thinks I may have to find the Dwarves that built it... |
| The Sage |
Posted - 04 Mar 2009 : 23:10:10
Hmmm... Doesn't immediately sound all that familiar. And given Erlkazar's one of my favourite areas, you'd think I would know. Unless it's a minor reference I've forgotten.
Off-hand, I don't recall it being mentioned in Master of Chains, which was another novel heavily focused on Erlkazar.
I'll keep looking.
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| Markustay |
Posted - 04 Mar 2009 : 21:47:04
Okay, this one's actually embarrassing.
There is a town called 'Avery' where the Tethir Road crosses the Deepwash in Erlkazar. It appears on the two most recent versions of my Erlkazar Map, but no canon map that I can find.
Now, I'm not above naming stuff myself - I did so for the town of Old Elestam just south of it (which was derived from canon, but not entirely so). Here's the thing - I usually remeber the locales I myself make-up, but I don't remember this one at all. I have to assume its something I found mentioned in source (and I've already re-read the Erlkazar booklet), a novel, or I'm just having another 'senior moment'.
At this time, I'm leaning toward novel, but I'm going through the Cleric Quintet ATM and can't seem to find it.
And yeah, in case anyone is wondering, I'm re-visiting Erlkazar YET AGAIN (5th remake). I was still not 100% satisfied with the last version - the Tethir road was much better then the fiasco it turned into with the 3e maps, but it still didn't make as much sense as a more-northerly route would have (looking at the newer maps - on the older ones it was just fine). I think I got it pretty-near perfect this time out... I just need to double-check all of those locales...
And while I was at it, I figured out what 'Old Elestam' was supposed to be - I placed the icon long before I placed the name, and I forgot what it was supposed to be so I just gave it one that appeared in canon (albeit in a slightly differnt manner). It was supposed to be the town of Furrowsrich - at least re-reading the Erlkazar booklet yielded something of value.
Anyhow, if anyone knows where the heck I got 'Avery' from, I'd appreciate the help.
Thanks --- Mark |
| The Sage |
Posted - 03 Mar 2009 : 22:58:49
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Originally posted by Markustay
Then I must be the 'evil Timelord'.
Ah, the Master. It makes perfect sense. "Peoples of the universe please attend, the message that follows is vital to you all..."
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I have no problem with the Sage's time-scale - I operate on a very similar scale of my own.
Aye. Well, now that I'm nearly done with those blasted "programming books," I can start returning to some of the things I've been promising for a while [winks at Wooly].
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Humour aside - I think Sage and I are on the same wavelength (judging by his comment about my infamous 'Illithid Scholar'). We just keep something in the back of our minds... and if we happen to come across it - even if its ten years later - we have our 'Aha!" moment.
Heh. You know, perhaps it isn't an illithid whose responsible for that. Maybe it's Miirym herself, incorporeally wandering the halls of Candlekeep and causing all-kinds of draconic mischief. |
| Markustay |
Posted - 03 Mar 2009 : 16:38:55
Then I must be the 'evil Timelord'.
Just ask LK/Dagnirion - he's been waiting for a list I'm sending him 'tomorrow' for about three years.
I have no problem with the Sage's time-scale - I operate on a very similar scale of my own.
Humour aside - I think Sage and I are on the same wavelength (judging by his comment about my infamous 'Illithid Scholar'). We just keep something in the back of our minds... and if we happen to come across it - even if its ten years later - we have our 'Aha!" moment. |
| The Sage |
Posted - 03 Mar 2009 : 06:45:46
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage
I *can* keep looking for the reference you're thinking of, if you want? But it may take some time.
A warning -- the Sage operates in an entirely different scale of time than the rest of us. I know this, because he promised to review something of mine, saying he would get to it -- and this was his exact word -- "tomorrow". This promise was made back in December, and I'm still waiting. So when he says it may take some time, he's likely talking about years. Maybe even aeons.
Heh. And to think, Markus once scoffed at the notion that I might be a Time Lord. Do I not have my own time-continuum, as Wooly's example suggests? |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 03 Mar 2009 : 06:27:26
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage
I *can* keep looking for the reference you're thinking of, if you want? But it may take some time.
A warning -- the Sage operates in an entirely different scale of time than the rest of us. I know this, because he promised to review something of mine, saying he would get to it -- and this was his exact word -- "tomorrow". This promise was made back in December, and I'm still waiting. So when he says it may take some time, he's likely talking about years. Maybe even aeons. |
| Brimstone |
Posted - 03 Mar 2009 : 05:32:14
-That sneaky ED.
BRIMSTONE |
| The Sage |
Posted - 02 Mar 2009 : 23:32:01
I *can* keep looking for the reference you're thinking of, if you want? But it may take some time.
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| Markustay |
Posted - 02 Mar 2009 : 20:07:32
Okay, sounds good.
The only problem I have with this now is that I haven't had a need to check Chauntea's entry in quite some time, and this is something I came across recently. I thought I had it - I've also been going through PftF again for locales, and got excited when I remebered the Chauntean relic - the Glarathra - but no deal (that was actually one of the most lore-light entries as far as 'history' goes).
It was definately in one of those "Edwardian asides" he is so famous for - something like "the item was taken by Archpriest Whatshisface to Harvest House in Amn (Harvest House being Chauntean Temple very similar in form and function to Goldenfields near Waterdeep)..."
Thats how I remember the presntation - it wasn't about Harvest House, it was about something else entirely, and the lore was just 'slipped in', Ed-style (although I have a nagging feeling it was something written by Schend).
Whatever, as long as I know what symbol to use (a fortified temple, to cover my bases), I'm good. Lore-wise, it was probably a castle donated to Chauntea's Church, which they converted into a collective-type farm over the years. |
| The Sage |
Posted - 02 Mar 2009 : 11:32:46
quote:
Originally posted by rjfras
Not that it gives you any info, but I know on one of the files I copied from one of many sites, a list of temples in Faerun and it's listed three times on that list
Chauntea
Harvest House (Central Amn)
Harvest House (Daggerford)
Harvest House (Near Esmeltaran)
looks like a common name for her temples... it's a chain!
I do recall that. It's from the listing of officially referenced temples in the Realms here at Candlekeep:- http://www.candlekeep.com/library/articles/temples.htm
And I now remember what Markus was talking about with respect to the Goldenfields too. It's in the entry for Chauntea in Faiths & Avatars, which notes that the Harvest House in central Amn is indeed a place of Chauntean worship, as I suggested earlier. |
| rjfras |
Posted - 02 Mar 2009 : 09:00:16
Not that it gives you any info, but I know on one of the files I copied from one of many sites, a list of temples in Faerun and it's listed three times on that list
Chauntea
Harvest House (Central Amn)
Harvest House (Daggerford)
Harvest House (Near Esmeltaran)
looks like a common name for her temples... it's a chain! |
| The Sage |
Posted - 02 Mar 2009 : 03:21:44
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay
The strange part is that I could have sworn I read about it just two days ago, and IIRC, it was compared to Goldenfields.
Which source on Goldenfields were you looking through?
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I'm either getting confused with something else, or I'm imagining things again (I'm still trying to find that Illythid form Candlekeep).
Heh. That's actually sat at the back of my mind for some time. Each and every time I come across some Candlekeep-related Realmslore, I take extra note for any references to this illithid. |
| Markustay |
Posted - 02 Mar 2009 : 02:16:01
I thought of all that as well - I even checked the 'religions' section in the Amn book, which discusses Chauntea's church and centers of worship... but NO mention of Harvest House.
Most peculiar.
The strange part is that I could have sworn I read about it just two days ago, and IIRC, it was compared to Goldenfields. I'm either getting confused with something else, or I'm imagining things again (I'm still trying to find that Illythid form Candlekeep). |
| The Sage |
Posted - 01 Mar 2009 : 23:50:30
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay
Dang... that was the wrong Harvest House. 
The one I'm looking for is the one that is on the Amn Map in the Lands of Intrigue boxed set, appearing between the River Esmel and the town of Sheperdston.
Its on the map, but I can't seem to find an entry for it (and I could've sworn I did read one somewhere).
Hmmmm... It's categorised as a "CASTLE" on that map.
Given the name, I suppose it *could* be something attached to Chauntea. And we know Chauntea is greatly revered in Amn because agriculture forms a significant backbone for the Amnian economy. But, then, I can't really see a Chauntea-based clergy operating from a castle.
I suppose you could ask Steven in his scroll. Maybe he had some ideas for that location that never made it into print.
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| Markustay |
Posted - 01 Mar 2009 : 19:10:32
Dang... that was the wrong Harvest House.
The one I'm looking for is the one that is on the Amn Map in the Lands of Intrigue boxed set, appearing between the River Esmel and the town of Sheperdston.
Its on the map, but I can't seem to find an entry for it (and I could've sworn I did read one somewhere). |
| The Sage |
Posted - 01 Mar 2009 : 03:04:32
If I recall correctly, the HoD source doesn't have all that much on the temple, so you can probably skip that one for now.
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