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| Afetbinttuzani |
Posted - 05 Feb 2009 : 02:45:42
Can anyone tell me what happens to Azariah Craulnober, daughter of Elaith Craulnober, after Elaine Cunningham's Elfsong. Does she appear in 4E? |
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| The Red Walker |
Posted - 26 Feb 2009 : 00:45:10
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
I like the idea of her being caught without any other weapon and being forced to draw it forth and have it go dormant again. Prolonging the family suffering and giving her the chance to show her true character, depending how it goes re-awakening foe her or frying her
As a DM, I'd avoid that. Imagine that you're the PC, doing everything you can to be proven worthy -- and then you get fried. Or you do your best to do everything right, only to have the blade tell you you're not worthy and not gonna have kids.
If I was a PC, immediately after one of those scenarios happened, many heavy objects would be flying at the DM. Minutes later, he'd have four flat tires, Coke all over his car, and I'd be elsewhere.
Hey, I said I liked it...I didn't say I would try and get away with it! |
| Afetbinttuzani |
Posted - 25 Feb 2009 : 23:03:16
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
If I was a PC, immediately after one of those scenarios happened, many heavy objects would be flying at the DM. Minutes later, he'd have four flat tires, Coke all over his car, and I'd be elsewhere.
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| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 25 Feb 2009 : 22:14:25
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
I like the idea of her being caught without any other weapon and being forced to draw it forth and have it go dormant again. Prolonging the family suffering and giving her the chance to show her true character, depending how it goes re-awakening foe her or frying her
As a DM, I'd avoid that. Imagine that you're the PC, doing everything you can to be proven worthy -- and then you get fried. Or you do your best to do everything right, only to have the blade tell you you're not worthy and not gonna have kids.
If I was a PC, immediately after one of those scenarios happened, many heavy objects would be flying at the DM. Minutes later, he'd have four flat tires, Coke all over his car, and I'd be elsewhere. |
| The Red Walker |
Posted - 25 Feb 2009 : 20:50:35
I like the idea of her being caught without any other weapon and being forced to draw it forth and have it go dormant again. Prolonging the family suffering and giving her the chance to show her true character, depending how it goes re-awakening foe her or frying her |
| Afetbinttuzani |
Posted - 25 Feb 2009 : 20:26:52
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Afetbinttuzani
Thanks, guys, for your lore-help and ideas. Again, I very much like the idea that she would carry the sword with her (wrapped up), despairing of ever drawing it, but determined to counter the self-interested legacy of her father with a life of selfless conduct, so that whomever she names as the blade-heir, will not suffer the same doubts as she.
Now that's some good roleplaying stuff right there. 
I hope the DM agrees. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 25 Feb 2009 : 16:35:35
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Originally posted by Afetbinttuzani
Thanks, guys, for your lore-help and ideas. Again, I very much like the idea that she would carry the sword with her (wrapped up), despairing of ever drawing it, but determined to counter the self-interested legacy of her father with a life of selfless conduct, so that whomever she names as the blade-heir, will not suffer the same doubts as she.
Now that's some good roleplaying stuff right there. |
| Afetbinttuzani |
Posted - 25 Feb 2009 : 15:35:40
Thanks, guys, for your lore-help and ideas. Again, I very much like the idea that she would carry the sword with her (wrapped up), despairing of ever drawing it, but determined to counter the self-interested legacy of her father with a life of selfless conduct, so that whomever she names as the blade-heir, will not suffer the same doubts as she. |
| The Sage |
Posted - 25 Feb 2009 : 06:18:06
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Originally posted by Afetbinttuzani
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Originally posted by The Sage
I was just a little thrown by your "a moonblade" statement above. I thought that meant Azariah would have another's moonblade in her possession during the time you wish to use her as a character.
If Elaith dies, does the blade not fall to her, to either be chosen by it or to possess it until she can pass it on to her heirs, with the possibility that they, in turn, may be chosen? How's that for a long and convoluted question?
What Wooly said. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 25 Feb 2009 : 03:18:56
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Originally posted by Afetbinttuzani
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Originally posted by The SageI was just a little thrown by your "a moonblade" statement above. I thought that meant Azariah would have another's moonblade in her possession during the time you wish to use her as a character.
If Elaith dies, does the blade not fall to her, to either be chosen by it or to possess it until she can pass it on to her heirs, with the possibility that they, in turn, may be chosen? How's that for a long and convoluted question?
The blade would fall to her, but she might not be worthy, and she's not obligated to try to draw it. She could pass it on to her own heirs, or, if she found out about her half-brother, she could pass it to him and his heirs. Thru her half-brother, the blade could be passed to just about any Moonflower, I think. Remember, Arilyn originally named her uncle blade-heir. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 25 Feb 2009 : 03:14:52
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Originally posted by Afetbinttuzani
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
As an aside, if I was your DM, I'd not allow her to use the moonblade -- not initially. Instead, I'd require a series of quests to prove your worthiness. And even then, it might still be dicey.
Good point. It would make for far more interesting role playing to have Azariah carrying around a wrapped up sword but never using it. As the only legitimate heir to the moonblade (let's say her half-brother died defending Evermeet in 1371 or 1374 DR), I think it would be reasonable for her to possess it and travel with it, but not use it.
It certainly makes sense that she would have doubts about her own worthiness, given her father's rejection by the blade and his subsequent lifestyle.
It doesn't matter that she has a half-brother, not for carrying the moonblade. No one knows about him... The only way anyone would know there was another was if it fried her when she drew it, and then didn't go dormant. |
| Afetbinttuzani |
Posted - 25 Feb 2009 : 00:32:52
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Originally posted by The SageI was just a little thrown by your "a moonblade" statement above. I thought that meant Azariah would have another's moonblade in her possession during the time you wish to use her as a character.
If Elaith dies, does the blade not fall to her, to either be chosen by it or to possess it until she can pass it on to her heirs, with the possibility that they, in turn, may be chosen? How's that for a long and convoluted question? |
| The Sage |
Posted - 25 Feb 2009 : 00:15:12
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Originally posted by Afetbinttuzani
The blade reactivates itself at the end of Elfsong in response to Elaith's selfless act in favor of Asariah. So the blade is/was not dormant. But Elaith does not attempt to draw the blade. After all, his rejection by the blade in the first place, is what led him to exile himself from Evermeet. Rather, he indicates that he will take Azariah to Evermeet where she will become a ward of the Royal House and be trained in preparation to receive and possibly be accepted by the blade when she comes of age.
Yeah, I remember most of that. I was just a little thrown by your "a moonblade" statement above. I thought that meant Azariah would have another's moonblade in her possession during the time you wish to use her as a character.
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| Afetbinttuzani |
Posted - 25 Feb 2009 : 00:01:45
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
As an aside, if I was your DM, I'd not allow her to use the moonblade -- not initially. Instead, I'd require a series of quests to prove your worthiness. And even then, it might still be dicey.
Good point. It would make for far more interesting role playing to have Azariah carrying around a wrapped up sword but never using it. As the only legitimate heir to the moonblade (let's say her half-brother died defending Evermeet in 1371 or 1374 DR), I think it would be reasonable for her to possess it and travel with it, but not use it.
It certainly makes sense that she would have doubts about her own worthiness, given her father's rejection by the blade and his subsequent lifestyle. |
| Afetbinttuzani |
Posted - 24 Feb 2009 : 23:51:28
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Originally posted by The Sage
Firstly, is it a dormant moonblade? Which clan does it belong to? I ask because no elf would carry a dormant blade belonging to another clan -- that's extremely taboo. And few elves would carry their family's dormant blade, for obvious matters of pride. Elaith carried his in Elfsong, and this revealed both his resolve and his sense of estrangement from elven proprieties.
The blade reactivates itself at the end of Elfsong in response to Elaith's selfless act in favor of Asariah. So the blade is/was not dormant. But Elaith does not attempt to draw the blade. After all, his rejection by the blade in the first place, is what led him to exile himself from Evermeet. Rather, he indicates that he will take Azariah to Evermeet where she will become a ward of the Royal House and be trained in preparation to receive and possibly be accepted by the blade when she comes of age.
I don't know what clan Elaith is/was from, but he was a legitimate heir to the blade. I may be wrong, but the fact that he retained the blade, despite it's dormancy, seems to indicate that he was the last of his clan. Any information regarding Elaith's clan would be appreciated. I'm planning to read Evermeet again in the hope of gleaning more information; and it's great read. |
| The Sage |
Posted - 24 Feb 2009 : 23:36:42
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Originally posted by Afetbinttuzani
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Originally posted by Brimstone
-Or we could make something up. 
BRIMSTONE
Actually, I'm asking about her because I was thinking of playing her as a PC in 4E. She would be 116 years old, young for an elf, and she has an interesting and conflictual heritage. Also, she, presumably, has a moonblade. I have requested that our DM allow for her to have been accepted by the moonblade, but and to allow for her to have discovered a few of the blades minor powers. I can't decide where she would have grown up. If she was in Evermeet, as Elfsong suggests, during the Spellplague, she would have been caught up into the Feywild. If on the other hand, Amlaruil refused to take the daughter of Elaith Craulnober as a ward of the Royal House, she might have been sent elsewhere, like Evereska perhaps. In which case, she would have been a mere nine years old when that city was attacked by the Phaerim. Any way you slice it, Azariah could make an interesting PC to play.
While I think Wooly had a good point above, I do have a few thoughts to add on the moonblade angle, if you wish to use it.
Firstly, is it a dormant moonblade? Which clan does it belong to? I ask because no elf would carry a dormant blade belonging to another clan -- that's extremely taboo. And few elves would carry their family's dormant blade, for obvious matters of pride. Elaith carried his in Elfsong, and this revealed both his resolve and his sense of estrangement from elven proprieties.
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| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 24 Feb 2009 : 23:26:58
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Originally posted by Afetbinttuzani
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Originally posted by Brimstone
-Or we could make something up.
BRIMSTONE
Actually, I'm asking about her because I was thinking of playing her as a PC in 4E. She would be 116 years old, young for an elf, and she has an interesting and conflictual heritage. Also, she, presumably, has a moonblade. I have requested that our DM allow for her to have been accepted by the moonblade, but and to allow for her to have discovered a few of the blades minor powers. I can't decide where she would have grown up. If she was in Evermeet, as Elfsong suggests, during the Spellplague, she would have been caught up into the Feywild. If on the other hand, Amlaruil refused to take the daughter of Elaith Craulnober as a ward of the Royal House, she might have been sent elsewhere, like Evereska perhaps. In which case, she would have been a mere nine years old when that city was attacked by the Phaerim. Any way you slice it, Azariah could make an interesting PC to play.
As an aside, if I was your DM, I'd not allow her to use the moonblade -- not initially. Instead, I'd require a series of quests to prove your worthiness. And even then, it might still be dicey. |
| The Sage |
Posted - 24 Feb 2009 : 23:15:04
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Originally posted by ranger_of_the_unicorn_run
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Originally posted by capnvan
Just to follow up on this: Again, it's not that Reclamation won't be "released." Reclamation doesn't exist as a workable novel.
The implication of "Reclamation won't be released!" is that WOTC decided that they didn't like the material, or it doesn't jibe with what they're looking for. And believe me, I have no interest in trying to defend them.
Elaine made it quite clear that she couldn't finish the book. Reclamation doesn't exist. So it can't be "miraculously" released, unless the miracle includes some deity finishing it on her behalf.
I know, I'm just sad that there won't be a Reclamation. I understand that she just wasn't able to finish it, I read her post on her website about it, and I'm not blaming anything on WotC.
And for those curious about the situation reading the publication of Reclamation, I recommend you read this scroll:- http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10898 |
| Afetbinttuzani |
Posted - 24 Feb 2009 : 22:49:10
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Originally posted by Brimstone
-Or we could make something up.
BRIMSTONE
Actually, I'm asking about her because I was thinking of playing her as a PC in 4E. She would be 116 years old, young for an elf, and she has an interesting and conflictual heritage. Also, she, presumably, has a moonblade. I have requested that our DM allow for her to have been accepted by the moonblade, but and to allow for her to have discovered a few of the blades minor powers. I can't decide where she would have grown up. If she was in Evermeet, as Elfsong suggests, during the Spellplague, she would have been caught up into the Feywild. If on the other hand, Amlaruil refused to take the daughter of Elaith Craulnober as a ward of the Royal House, she might have been sent elsewhere, like Evereska perhaps. In which case, she would have been a mere nine years old when that city was attacked by the Phaerim. Any way you slice it, Azariah could make an interesting PC to play. |
| ranger_of_the_unicorn_run |
Posted - 24 Feb 2009 : 21:43:39
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Originally posted by capnvan
Just to follow up on this: Again, it's not that Reclamation won't be "released." Reclamation doesn't exist as a workable novel.
The implication of "Reclamation won't be released!" is that WOTC decided that they didn't like the material, or it doesn't jibe with what they're looking for. And believe me, I have no interest in trying to defend them.
Elaine made it quite clear that she couldn't finish the book. Reclamation doesn't exist. So it can't be "miraculously" released, unless the miracle includes some deity finishing it on her behalf.
I know, I'm just sad that there won't be a Reclamation. I understand that she just wasn't able to finish it, I read her post on her website about it, and I'm not blaming anything on WotC. |
| The Sage |
Posted - 24 Feb 2009 : 00:01:06
Possibly.
Though, we should remember to, that [via the kiira] Tsarra knows everything that Khelben knew up to the point of the start of Blackstaff. And so does every successive wearer of that kiira [with some negotiating with Khelben's spirit and much meditation]. |
| The Red Walker |
Posted - 23 Feb 2009 : 23:49:31
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Afetbinttuzani
Does Azariah's half brother have a name? I can't help but wonder if Amnestria would allow them to know of their connection, or if either was made aware of who their father is/was.
Well, it's likely that both Danilo and Khelben know, given the authorship of the Evermeet manuscript.
Since we know Khelben is rip do we dare to hope Danilo masteredenough art to stay alive, yet not enough to have been fried? |
| The Sage |
Posted - 23 Feb 2009 : 23:25:31
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Originally posted by Afetbinttuzani
Does Azariah's half brother have a name? I can't help but wonder if Amnestria would allow them to know of their connection, or if either was made aware of who their father is/was.
Well, it's likely that both Danilo and Khelben know, given the authorship of the Evermeet manuscript. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 23 Feb 2009 : 17:07:35
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Originally posted by Afetbinttuzani
Does Azariah's half brother have a name? I can't help but wonder if Amnestria would allow them to know of their connection, or if either was made aware of who their father is/was. I suppose we don't know if Elaith has survived into 4E. I should see if Elaine would be willing to give us a name at least, and let us know if Elaith Survives.
I don't believe that any information at all has been released about Elaith's son. All we know is who his parents are, and that he was alive before the Sellplague happened.
4E has wrought a lot of changes, not the least of which is considerably shortening the lifespan of elves. Just based on that, Elaith might not be around.
You can ask Elaine, but I'll warn you: don't be surprised if she opts not to answer. Her own words, from the Ask Elaine thread (which I didn't realize, until after posting, that I'd already quoted in part, earlier ):
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Originally posted by ElaineCunningham
Hello again!
First off, I should probably admit that I'm opening this thread with some misgivings. One of the reasons I had it closed six months ago was my reluctance to say over and over, “Sorry, but I can’t answer that.” So before going any further, it might be a good idea to set some parameters as to what I can and can't address.
- I cannot and will not answer questions about stories than have not yet been published. NDA restrictions apply.
- Ed Greenwood can add new lore and fill in blanks, but I am not able to speculate on matters not yet covered by published material. For one thing, I tend toward a conservative interpretation of the NDA clauses on my contracts; for another, I am not as fast or prolific a writer as Ed. There is no possible way I could answer such questions as, “How has the faith of Eilistraee changed over the past 4000 years, where have the main enclaves of Eilistraee followers been located, and how did the locals respond to these enclaves?” That’s a book, not a message board post.
- I will not comment on 4e, mostly because what isn’t covered by NDA is shrouded by my own ignorance. I’m a freelance writer, not a WotC insider, and I'm definitely on the outside of this issue. Which is fine. Since the events of RECLAMATION took place before the timeframe leading up to 4e, I haven’t needed to know much about it.
Finally, just because this is a Q&A thread, it doesn’t follow that all posts have to be questions. I'm open to a discussion of related ideas and themes, as long as it's relevant to the Realms.
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| Afetbinttuzani |
Posted - 23 Feb 2009 : 15:55:10
Does Azariah's half brother have a name? I can't help but wonder if Amnestria would allow them to know of their connection, or if either was made aware of who their father is/was. I suppose we don't know if Elaith has survived into 4E. I should see if Elaine would be willing to give us a name at least, and let us know if Elaith Survives. |
| ranger_of_the_unicorn_run |
Posted - 05 Feb 2009 : 21:10:44
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
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Originally posted by Alisttair
Hopefully WotC contracts Elaine to write a story about Azariah at some point.
I wish as much as anything that Elaine will write FR again, but she said the more time passes from her writing in the Realms the less likely it is she ever will.
I think I would trade the entire 4e for Reclamation to be miraculously released!
Seconded! It made me sad when she said that the book wouldn't be released. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 05 Feb 2009 : 20:59:38
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Originally posted by Afetbinttuzani
Thanks, everyone. I'm not surprised that nothing has been done with this. I just thought that it might have been picked up in one of the more recent novels.
Azariah is a creation of Elaine. There's a tendency among Realms authors to stick to their own characters, and to leave those of other writers alone. |
| Afetbinttuzani |
Posted - 05 Feb 2009 : 20:44:08
Thanks, everyone. I'm not surprised that nothing has been done with this. I just thought that it might have been picked up in one of the more recent novels. |
| The Red Walker |
Posted - 05 Feb 2009 : 20:40:47
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Originally posted by Alisttair
Hopefully WotC contracts Elaine to write a story about Azariah at some point.
I wish as much as anything that Elaine will write FR again, but she said the more time passes from her writing in the Realms the less likely it is she ever will.
I think I would trade the entire 4e for Reclamation to be miraculously released! |
| ranger_of_the_unicorn_run |
Posted - 05 Feb 2009 : 19:17:15
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Originally posted by Dagnirion
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Originally posted by ranger_of_the_unicorn_run
What book talks about Elaith having a son?
-He had a son with Princess Amnestria, whose fate has never been told. This is discussed in Evermeet: Island of Elves. The child was "dropped off" when Amnestria left Evermeet to "have a word" with Elaith, when she discovered that he fled Evermeet, and the things he was doing on mainland Faerûn, and the plot hook was never picked up again.
Hmmm, I read Evermeet, but I guess I just forgot that part. Thanks! |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 05 Feb 2009 : 16:08:39
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Originally posted by Alisttair
Hopefully WotC contracts Elaine to write a story about Azariah at some point.
I'd love to see that, but again, their new policy of pretending the Realms has no past makes that unlikely. |
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