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| Aina Grey |
Posted - 02 Sep 2008 : 12:56:37
how are the days of the tenday called in the Realms?
onesday, twosday, threesday...? |
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| Aina Grey |
Posted - 05 Sep 2008 : 20:54:02
used it is then, thanks for your help |
| Faraer |
Posted - 05 Sep 2008 : 20:17:15
The situation is this: with the day number-names and 'elf day', FRCS introduces a largely new way of looking at tendays. As local traditions that's fine, as the Realms has plenty of room for such cultural variety. It's wrong to the extent that it suggests such schemes are Realmswide, because Realmslore mentions tendays hundreds of times and almost never with named 'days of the week' of any kind. If you like the FRCS version, or it's integral to your story, I'd go ahead and use it. |
| Aina Grey |
Posted - 05 Sep 2008 : 19:59:17
elf day is the tenth day of a ride which is labor-free (source: 3rd edition CS (chapter Coin and Commerce)), the term is used in the Dalelands, (and in my Realms spread to the Sword Coast  )
I guess that wasnīt in 2nd edition either then...
so, if there is a "special" day of the ride, as aforementioned elf day, folk will hence use it as a base of the computation of time
thus, the question is: how incorrect is 3rd edition on this matter, if at all...? |
| Jamallo Kreen |
Posted - 05 Sep 2008 : 19:23:50
How strangely timely this topic is since one of my players lobbied me at our last session for role-playing experience if he tries to convert others to use names for days of the ... hmmm ... ride. How should I tell him that he doesn't get ex pee for being hit over the head with a bottle by a 1st level Commoner who just wants to drink his pint in peace? Hmmm....
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| Faraer |
Posted - 05 Sep 2008 : 18:05:13
quote:
Originally posted by Aina Grey
*sigh* - contradictions 
Some Realms authors have made an art out of dealing with them; they offer worthwhile variety as often as not.quote:
what about "Every fifth day of the ride I am on guard duty."?
That would be fine, or "The fifth day of each ride I guard the south gate." Ashe is right, use what sounds best to you after bearing all this in mind.quote:
whatīd be the use of the term "tenday" if you didnīt pay attention to when one starts or ends?
Tendays are mostly used to indicate this tenday or last or next; lengths of time; the first, second or third part of a month; and regular events where the period is more important than the exact day. The fiction and game play rarely get into the exact scheduling you're using.quote:
but elfday is still canon right? (I need that one...)
What's elfday? |
| Ashe Ravenheart |
Posted - 05 Sep 2008 : 16:28:44
A tenday is a term for a week, not a specific 'Saturday to Sunday' week, but a group of ten days, like a week is a group of seven days.
Not too mention that the whole naming of the days and such is very fluid and based on region, IOW, whatever you want to use, you can use. The canon is that there is no canon for days of the week. |
| Aina Grey |
Posted - 05 Sep 2008 : 16:06:49
*sigh* - contradictions
what about "Every fifth day of the ride I am on guard duty."?
whatīd be the use of the term "tenday" if you didnīt pay attention to when one starts or ends?
but elfday is still canon right? (I need that one...) |
| Faraer |
Posted - 05 Sep 2008 : 15:42:37
The FRCS is in error there, just as it is when it states the Heartlands are feudal and everyone calls each other 'Saer'. My guess is that the author of the Life in Faerûn chapter didn't realize day-naming had already been accounted for and made it up, maybe even adopting Bobby Nichols's fanfic. You may nevertheless regard the FRCS as inherently authoritative, but be aware that the 'first-day' thing is not attested elsewhere in Realmslore, and if you said "Every fifth-day I am on guard duty" most folk would understand that you're on guard duty one day in every five. Without formal rest-days, and without religious day-attributions, most people in the Realms just don't think in terms of 'days of the week' at all. |
| Aina Grey |
Posted - 05 Sep 2008 : 15:20:00
first of all, thanks for your help
so, the 3rd edition FRCS explicitely states that the days of the ride are called first-day, second-day...
thus expressing a repeated event, e.g. "every fifth-day I am on guard duty" should be realmsy, right?
another question:
the starting date of 2nd edition is Midsummer ī71, right? so is there any official ruling on which rideday the day after this one is?
if any date ever got linked to a rideday in any official source itīs possible to calculate this...
(yeah, itīs for fiction all right, and I want to get the details right) |
| Faraer |
Posted - 02 Sep 2008 : 20:32:35
While that doesn't quite encapsulate what I dislike about the new approach, it comes pretty close.
Although Realms sources have used hours and minutes and other tacked-on our-world language inconsistently for a long time, Wizards has now seesawed to what is, for the Realms, the wrong extreme. |
| The Red Walker |
Posted - 02 Sep 2008 : 19:16:28
It will be interesting see if how days are called changes now that hours and minutes are now appearing in new realms materials. |
| Faraer |
Posted - 02 Sep 2008 : 16:49:40
Not so.quote:
In like manner, days in the realms are never referred to as "Monday," "Tuesday," or any real-world 'weekday' name. Most folk in the Realms refer to a particular day as thus far from "the first of Mirtul" or "the last of Eleint" or one of the annual festival days, or if they must be precise, will say something like "the first day of the first tenday of Ches." If they were writing this date or speaking of it formally, it would become "1st Ches."
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| Lord Lysander |
Posted - 02 Sep 2008 : 14:35:48
They are called first-day, second-day, third-day, fourth-day, fifth-day, sixth-day, seventh-day, eighth-day ninth-day enth-day... |
| The Sage |
Posted - 02 Sep 2008 : 14:35:15
They aren't universally named. Note this entry from the REALMS-L FAQ:-
"6.2. What are the names of the days in the Realms?
This was taken from a post by Bobby Nichols <catdrag@vnet.net>:
At GenCon '95, I asked Ed Greenwood about the days of the week (Ride) in Faerun. I asked if there was a standard day or day name for the days of the ride. He responded that the days of the ride differ from geographic region to region, and usually have a religious connotation. There is no standard set of day names.
Ed went on to say that the people of Faerun use the number of days to indicate when something will happen as long as the number of days does not exceed 30. For instance, if I was to see you in 10 days, I would say "See you in a ten-day," not "See you in a ride" or "See you next ride," both of which are not as determinalistic as the first statement.
If you want to indicate an event in the future of past and this event happens within 10 days of a major event, a Realmsian would say "Bessie had her calf 3 days after the Lord came into his castle." or "Bessie's calf was born 2 days before last Greengrass."
In other words, Realmsians do not use dates like we do -- my birthday in Faerun is something like "12 days after Greengrass" not "Mirtul 12th." Now IMC, I use "Firstday," "Seconday", "Thirday", etc. for my days of the week, and I use dates like Americans do. Why? Well, to be blunt, my players don't want to try to understand the FR method of dating. So it is usually easier just to give in on this minor point. However, if you write fiction, you might want to follow these rules." |
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