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| Xysma |
Posted - 17 Oct 2007 : 16:38:04
What deities are prominent in the Hordelands? The PGtF lists Akadi, Grumbar, Malar, & Selûne. I'm just wondering if there are any others. |
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| Markustay |
Posted - 21 Oct 2007 : 20:23:10
Yes, I would say that the few Taangan tribes that are not part of Yaïmmunahar would still be following their own individual faiths - I figure the Spirit Shaman from CD is a good place to start.
The beast cult of the horse is particularly important, as per The Horde boxed set.
From the Religion section of that tome -
"The Nomads have no evil gods. Misfortunes are either the work of evil spirits or the result of displeasing a god. Many of the tribesmen's customs and taboos are intended to ward off evil spirits.
The Nomads are very open-minded and tolerant about foreign religions. So long as a traveler obeys tribal laws, the horsemen don't care who or what the foreigner worships. This attitude has caused several outside cults to gain small footholds among the Nomads. It is possible, though not always likely, to find priests of virtually any god practicing among the nomads."
BTW, to explain my extrapolation for Semphar and Murghôm - in early texts the words 'Mujari culture' and 'the Adama' were used interchangeably. Since Semphar is described as having a 'Mujari Culture', and some aspects of it exist in Murghôm as well, that is where I have come up with that particular premise.
Very early on, the Mujari Culture is identified with the god Anu (DoD), so one could assume that religion existed sometime after the Untheric pantheon helped bring down Imaskar. The GHOtR mistakenly refers to the Imaskari as a "Durpari tribe", but in truth the Durpari were a single tribe and part of the Mujari culture which covered the southern Taan, the Shining Lands, and parts of the Utter East. Since that time, the culture has fragmented into the many nations of those regions, and the Adama has taken the place of Anu worship in prominence.
NOT Canon:
My speculation has lead me to believe that this entire culture was displaced by Fate, when she scattered the many peoples of Zakara to distant parts after fulfilling the wish of a foolish Caliph. So the Mujari are just one very large group of Zakharans transplanted aeons ago.
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| Jorkens |
Posted - 19 Oct 2007 : 06:45:09
Dangerous ground here, but missionaries has usually found worshipers of "loose" religions to be the least inclined to change their ways for a "better" one. Even among the poor and sick the missionaries must be able to offer something the old clerics/shamans can not and there is no reason why the gods should withhold their powers from the native priests and give them to the missionaries. As long as the gods are real and the people worshiping are in favour, missionary work would be more or less hopeless, as a quick sign from the gods would solve the whole thing. Of course this is different if a god would want to unify its form of worship.
But what do I know? |
| Xysma |
Posted - 18 Oct 2007 : 21:14:36
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Originally posted by Jorkens
Yes, but in a case such as the one with the tuigan it is hot a loose worship, just a radically different one. Also, it is usually difficult to do missionary work amongst groups that religiously are quite close to one self. How would a Procampuran worshiper of Akadi manage to convince a tuigan shaman or priest that the god as worshiped in his land is the correct one?
I don't know, since they are a nomadic people (with the exception of Yaïmmunahar) I think they would practice a very loose religion, with no centralized church and only tribal shamans to guide them. I agree with your assessment of the missionary work, but I think it could be accomplished by a very charismatic person, or someone that has something else to offer (food, medicine, healing). I see missionaries being much more well received among the poor, sick, and hungry, and probably forced out of the healthier, wealthier tribes.
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| Xysma |
Posted - 18 Oct 2007 : 20:59:36
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Originally posted by Markustay
I think thats all of them, or at least the major players. 
NICE! Thanks Markustay |
| Markustay |
Posted - 18 Oct 2007 : 18:15:23
In Taan, Akadi is MALE and known as Teylas, and Grumbar is known as Etugen and FEMALE.
The Red Knight has become sort of the 'state religion' of Hubadai's kingdom of Yaïmmunahar.
Cyric is worshipped under the name of Sirhivatizangpo and Bhaal under the name of Ninyjushigampo. The Twin Cities in the Hollow Crown Mountains worship the pair. Also, the Fortress of the Old Man in the Sentinel Peaks is an Assassin's Guild that worshipped Bhaal prior to the ToT, but has since found a new patron (?)
Songfarla follows the Gnomish Pantheon, and the Dwarves of Siremun worship the Dwarvish one.
All gods can be found throughout the Wastes, because it is a melting pot of cultures, but Eastern gods seem to dominate. The Padhrasattva is the western name of the 'Eight Million Gods' (Padhras in the Taan, Ra-Khati, and Kazari, Bodha in Tabot) of Kara-Tur; which is called the Tao, or the 'Path of Enlightenment' in the east (that religion actually has several names and at least 5 major sects). Bimasara is the Padhra of Barter, and was once the primary god of Kushk.
Semphar has many religions, from east and west, and even some Zakharan, although traditionally the Mulhoarondi Pantheon has been the official religion (the realm being part of Mulhoarand off and on for the last three thousand years). As of late, the Adama of the Shining South has been making massive in-roads - this because Mulhoarand lost control of Semphar during the Tuigan War. Priests of the Adama have also begun to send missionaries into Murghôm, but they have met with quite a bit of resistance due to Mulhoarand's Iron Grip over THAT nation (this last part is exrtrapolation, taken from several sources with Adama references, but is not 100% canon).
Monkey, an enigmatic being who is extremely powerful and at least a demi-power lives in this region, in the Yehimal mountain range. He is considered one of the founders of Padhran, the Taboten version of the Path. Just about everyone in Kara-Tur and the Wastes pay some respect to him, no matter what religion they follow. He is considered a helpful trickster.
Finally, their are some bedouin-like tribes living in the southern Raurin who more then likely migrated up from Zakhara, so assume a few Zakharan gods in this region. The Elves of Al-Qahera, also in the Raurin, appear to be related to the Star Elves in some way. They do not worship the Seldarin, but rather are part of an Eastern sub-group I have dubbed the 'Brown' (Nomadic) Elves. Zakharan Elves are also unaware of the Seldarine, which means they were part of the original group that migrated to Toril, as per the GHotR. This entire group from Aglarond on down through the Lands of Fate worship local human gods instead. The al-Qaherans may have at one point worshipped the Yuir Totems, given their relationship to the Star Elves, but since that pantheon is defunct you can take your pick now.
I think thats all of them, or at least the major players. |
| Jorkens |
Posted - 18 Oct 2007 : 17:21:21
Yes, but in a case such as the one with the tuigan it is hot a loose worship, just a radically different one. Also, it is usually difficult to do missionary work amongst groups that religiously are quite close to one self. How would a Procampuran worshiper of Akadi manage to convince a tuigan shaman or priest that the god as worshiped in his land is the correct one?
Also the lack of a central authority will make it easier for alternative sects to establish themselves, but the faith itself is not as easily changed. Even if the dogmas change people have a tendency to keep to the faith that has been with them for generations. Even more in a world where there is proofs of the divine I would think. |
| Xysma |
Posted - 18 Oct 2007 : 16:38:00
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Originally posted by Jorkens
I wish there was an even higher degree of alternative aspects in the Realms, not more gods, just various forms of worship.
Agreed, that would definitely be a good thing.
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Originally posted by Jorkens
As for contact; traders and caravans would bring news of, if not actual followers, of the various faiths between the borders. In the lands along the coast there are various cults of the elemental gods and these would be the people trading with the tuigan and other peoples of the plains. If a group of Grumbars followers heard of a people, not far off, worshipping a queen of earth, a goddess blessing the same areas of reality as their deity, how would they react?
I would think the church would send emissaries to the other church if there is one, or send missionaries if they are unaware of the presence of a church. For instance, if the deity is loosely worshipped in an area, meaning there is no cetral religious authority in the region, then sending missionaries would likely win many converts.
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| Jorkens |
Posted - 18 Oct 2007 : 06:41:56
In my personal view most people worshiping gods under different names will not know (or acknowledge)that it is the same deity in both cases. That is the reason that I wish there was an even higher degree of alternative aspects in the Realms, not more gods, just various forms of worship.
As for contact; traders and caravans would bring news of, if not actual followers, of the various faiths between the borders. In the lands along the coast there are various cults of the elemental gods and these would be the people trading with the tuigan and other peoples of the plains. If a group of Grumbars followers heard of a people, not far off, worshipping a queen of earth, a goddess blessing the same areas of reality as their deity, how would they react? |
| Xysma |
Posted - 18 Oct 2007 : 04:19:55
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Originally posted by Jorkens
That makes me wonder how the relationship with the worshippers of these same deities in their more "common" aspect is. What do the worshippers of Grumbar think of this female version of their god, do they see her as a different deity, an aspect or a form of heresy? Thanks Xysma, you have given me a few ideas for use at a later time.
Glad I could be of help. I'll also add that the artcile also mentions that the Raumviran (descendents of Raumathari ancestors) "venerate the elemental gods: Akadi, Grumbar, Kossuth, and Istishia. Foremost among these is Istishia, followed closely by Akadi."
Back on the topic of the male/female aspects, I wonder how often they would come into contact with western followers in order for either group to consider it heresy? Also, would it be obvious to all parties involved that they are in fact the same deity since they are worshipped under different names? I've thought about this before with Talos, being worshipped as Bhaelros among the Calishites and Kozah among the Bedine. Particularly with the bedine being as isolated as they are, would they even be aware that the deity they revere is in fact known by another name in other cultures?
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| Hawkins |
Posted - 17 Oct 2007 : 19:21:27
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Originally posted by aravine
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Originally posted by Jorkens
As far as I remember these are the gods mentioned in the Horde box, in addition to spirit worship in various forms I believe.
So does that mean there are quite a few Spirit Shamans there?
The "Class Chronicles" article <http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/frcc/20070918> places Spirit Shamans primarily in Rashemen and Osse (the continent SE of Kara-Tur). |
| Jorkens |
Posted - 17 Oct 2007 : 17:50:32
That makes me wonder how the relationship with the worshippers of these same deities in their more "common" aspect is. What do the worshippers of Grumbar think of this female version of their god, do they see her as a different deity, an aspect or a form of heresy? Thanks Xysma, you have given me a few ideas for use at a later time. |
| Aravine |
Posted - 17 Oct 2007 : 17:49:37
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Originally posted by Jorkens
As far as I remember these are the gods mentioned in the Horde box, in addition to spirit worship in various forms I believe.
So does that mean there are quite a few Spirit Shamans there? |
| Xysma |
Posted - 17 Oct 2007 : 17:44:34
Thanks Jorkens, I found what I was looking for. I just happened to remember a web enhancement to the Horde article in Dragon 349 and checked there. Exactly what I needed to know. Prominent are Teylas, a masculine aspect of Akadi, Etugen a feminine aspect of Grumbar, and The Red Knight is worshipped by Hubadai Khahan and his armies, and is popular in Yaïmmunahar. |
| Jorkens |
Posted - 17 Oct 2007 : 17:32:54
As far as I remember these are the gods mentioned in the Horde box, in addition to spirit worship in various forms I believe. I would guess that the different pantheons would have individual (or small groups of) worshippers in the lands near their main areas of worship though. |
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