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| SirUrza |
Posted - 11 Jul 2006 : 18:24:19
The RA Salvatore story in it is a Realms story that's tied into Promise of the Witch-King. The Weis and Hickman story is as you'd guess, Dragonlance (a Tasstlehoff story), and then we have a Eberron and magic story too. |
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| SirUrza |
Posted - 22 Jul 2006 : 04:43:05
No, but I'll admit listening them talk about people using cloths, particularly employees makes me glad I insist on all new clothing I wear gets immidiately washed (or dry cleaned if appropriate.) |
| Arkhaedun |
Posted - 18 Jul 2006 : 06:23:40
All retail comments aside, does anyone have any other information relating to the book and its contents? (just to gently steer this topic back to the original intent . . . )  |
| hammer of Moradin |
Posted - 18 Jul 2006 : 05:17:39
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Originally posted by Dhomal
Hello-
I am lucky, (*as is another Scribe I noticed made a similar comment in the last day or two*) as I work in a bookstore - I am allowed to borrow boks. This is great in deciding what to buy or not buy. I can take it home - or even in the case of a gaming supplement - take it to gaming to get other people's opinions. As it is - I spend WAY too much on books - so any chance to make a more informed decision - I take!
Dhomal
That would be me Dhomal.
Dragons: Worlds Afire is just one of those books that I would purchase in paperback, but not in hardcover. At the same time, I do not want to wait to read the stories. Solution, check the book out. Many of you know that you would love this perk.
Is it stealing? I don't feel it is, but I definately see Elaine's point. The amount of damaged books we send back is crazy. People returning books, knocking books on the floor, spilling coffee on them, 'using' certain ones in the bathroom... you get the picture. The only ones that I trust to not mishandle the merchandise are the majority of the employees. So, checking out books is the least of my worries when it comes to book abuse.
Don't even get me started about people leaving books all over the place, or just laying it down wherever is convenient for them.
So, anyway, the stories are worth checking out, given the chance. |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 15 Jul 2006 : 06:04:32
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
As someone that was a guest service manager, and thus got called up to the front desk OFTEN to approve returns, yes, many people try to pick up clothes, wear them for the weekend, then return them on monday, after they went out in them. Not to mention the people that try to return open packages of nevermind . . .
We had a woman that came in one time to return a dress. When we told her the dress had obviously been worn, and not just tried on, she said that she only needed it for one day, since she needed a dress for a funeral, but she didn't need one after that.
And those people are especially hard on sales associates who are working on commission--as far as I know, returns usually count against their commission, or any other benefit based on how much the person sells.
I'm not against returning things (far from it), just this kind of "borrowing". |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 15 Jul 2006 : 06:00:41
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Originally posted by Dhomal
Hello-
I agree to a large degree here. However - and you emphasize 'really' - do people not try clothes on to see if they will fit? Many stores offer a chance to listen to music before you buy it also. Cars are test-driven also.
Well I don't see anything wrong with skimming through a book for a bit to see what you might be purchasing (that's exactly what I did for novel this very topic is about). However, sitting down, getting comfy, and reading something in it's entirety isn't right--at least not in my opinion.
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Keep in mind that as far as employees are concerned - one of the reasons we are able to borrow items - is so that we can become more familiar with the product. It makes us more knowledgable (sp?) and informend about what we sell. The company values this and beleives that it helps sales in the long run.
I don't see anything wrong with that...as long as the borrowed item doesn't just get put back on the shelf to be sold with the new books. It's essentially selling a used book for a "new" price. I wouldn't take a book that looks used over a new one (who would?). |
| KnightErrantJR |
Posted - 15 Jul 2006 : 05:24:57
As someone that was a guest service manager, and thus got called up to the front desk OFTEN to approve returns, yes, many people try to pick up clothes, wear them for the weekend, then return them on monday, after they went out in them. Not to mention the people that try to return open packages of nevermind . . .
We had a woman that came in one time to return a dress. When we told her the dress had obviously been worn, and not just tried on, she said that she only needed it for one day, since she needed a dress for a funeral, but she didn't need one after that. |
| Dhomal |
Posted - 15 Jul 2006 : 05:21:04
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Yes--and also, I feel that if you haven't paid for a book (or borrowed it from a library or someone else who owns it), then you really have no right to read it, because you are reading it for free, and as you said no one will receive any revenue from that.
I don't see how that's much different from, say, downloading music illegally or watching a bootlegged copy of a movie.
Hello-
I agree to a large degree here. However - and you emphasize 'really' - do people not try clothes on to see if they will fit? Many stores offer a chance to listen to music before you buy it also. Cars are test-driven also.
Keep in mind that as far as employees are concerned - one of the reasons we are able to borrow items - is so that we can become more familiar with the product. It makes us more knowledgable (sp?) and informend about what we sell. The company values this and beleives that it helps sales in the long run.
I hope that this information does not make anyone feel any less about your local bookstore/employees. I for one love my job - and know many others I work with do also.
Dhomal |
| GothicDan |
Posted - 15 Jul 2006 : 04:08:44
I think it gets a bit harder with supplements. We are always told to "check things out in stores" to see if we want a book. I know we've been berated for saying negatives about things we haven't read yet... But I personally don't want to waste money on something I probably will not like. And I refuse to read it in the store. |
| SirUrza |
Posted - 15 Jul 2006 : 03:57:08
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Originally posted by Faraer
With Bob's early Realms novels this isn't his fault, of course: he only had access (as I recall) to photocopies of bits of the Old Grey Box.
Thankyou for saying that. I was starting to pull my hair out at some of the comments made about the Icewind Dale trilogy, a trilogy published when there was NO "Realms lore." |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 15 Jul 2006 : 01:30:36
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Originally posted by ElaineCunningham
quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Besides, reading a story in its entirety in the bookstore just feels like stealing to me.
I'd have to agree with this. If reading a book in a bookstore turns it into a used copy that no one wants to buy, what is the practical difference between this and tucking it under your coat and walking out with it? If you've ensured that no one--publisher, bookstore or author--will see any revenue from that copy of the book, you might as well steal it outright.
Yes--and also, I feel that if you haven't paid for a book (or borrowed it from a library or someone else who owns it), then you really have no right to read it, because you are reading it for free, and as you said no one will receive any revenue from that.
I don't see how that's much different from, say, downloading music illegally or watching a bootlegged copy of a movie. |
| KnightErrantJR |
Posted - 14 Jul 2006 : 21:01:00
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Originally posted by ElaineCunningham
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Originally posted by Dhomal
I somehow bet that all of you are also people who would Never put a book down randomly, or just stuff it on a shelf anywhere - rather - you likely place it right back where you found it.
Oh, HELL no. If a book is misshelved, I'll often put it back where it's supposed to go. If it appears that something was misshelved by bookstore employees, I'll bring the matter to their attention.
I'm really surprised to learn that a bookstore lets employees take books home to read and pass around to their friends. They don't put these back on the shelves and sell them as new, do they? Because that policy sounds a a lot like letting employees at a clothes store wear something once, then return it to the racks. I have no problems with selling used books, but I think that ought to be left to used bookstores.
I've been asked questions before by people in the store because they think I work there, since I often end up reorganizing the D&D section when it looks like crap. I take the time to regroup all of the core books together, and face out the new releases on the top shelf. Then people ask me questions and I tell them that I don't work there and they give me REALLY funny looks. Then again, I used to work in retail, so its a habit I have a hard time breaking.
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| Dhomal |
Posted - 14 Jul 2006 : 20:53:14
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Originally posted by ElaineCunningham
I'm really surprised to learn that a bookstore lets employees take books home to read and pass around to their friends. They don't put these back on the shelves and sell them as new, do they? Because that policy sounds a a lot like letting employees at a clothes store wear something once, then return it to the racks. I have no problems with selling used books, but I think that ought to be left to used bookstores.
Hello-
Well - let me make a couple of points clear. :) We have to treat the books Well - can't bringthem back in less-than new condition. Some people may argue that it would be impossible to do that - but its not that hard. I'm sure many Scribes here probably read their books in such a way that it would be difficult to tell if it had been read at all.
As for 'passing around to friends' - its not something that is done over a long period of time. Just - say - the amount of perusal one would normally perform AT the bookstore. It provides some basic information-gathering about the book - and discussion can ensue about the books usefulness or lack therof in our games.
As for whether or not they are resold. Of course. Agreeably your clothes example makes good sense. However - dont fool yourself - I'm sure there are more customers (both in bookstores and clothes stores) who buy things and then return them. I would guess even more so at a bookstore. (*I doubt many clothes stores allow for 'normal' returns if tags have been removed etc. - and I know of people who buy some clothes - and then return some - after trying them on at home. I know there are fitting rooms etc - but some poeple may not like their use - or want an opinion of someone not with them at the moment.*) I know we take back books probably 1/2 dozen times a day. Certainly - some are due to diuble purchaes by people, duplicate gifts, etc - but we (*employees*) DO notice people who tend to use the bookstore as a 'library' buying what they want to read - keeping it long enough to read - and then exchanging for something that is "more appropraite" and then repeating the process again.
Whoa - I think I hear Alaundo coming down the hall! 
What I am curious about is how well this book is actually doing. I'll check at work when I go back next week (*Vacation!!!*) - and maybe check out AMazon's rank - and compare it to some other releases around the same time period, since IIRC they dont give actual numbers.
Dhomal
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| ElaineCunningham |
Posted - 14 Jul 2006 : 20:21:44
quote:
Originally posted by Dhomal
I somehow bet that all of you are also people who would Never put a book down randomly, or just stuff it on a shelf anywhere - rather - you likely place it right back where you found it.
Oh, HELL no. If a book is misshelved, I'll often put it back where it's supposed to go. If it appears that something was misshelved by bookstore employees, I'll bring the matter to their attention.
I'm really surprised to learn that a bookstore lets employees take books home to read and pass around to their friends. They don't put these back on the shelves and sell them as new, do they? Because that policy sounds a a lot like letting employees at a clothes store wear something once, then return it to the racks. I have no problems with selling used books, but I think that ought to be left to used bookstores.
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| GothicDan |
Posted - 14 Jul 2006 : 19:20:29
Sometimes I'll wander a store for 5 minutes trying to figure out where I got a book from, if I decide not to purchase it in the end. My memory isn't all that great sometimes. ;)
Ah, to work in a bookstore.. |
| Dhomal |
Posted - 14 Jul 2006 : 19:00:22
Hello-
Elaine, Kuje, KEJR, GothicDan - Oh how I wish the majority of the world felt as you do! Sometimes - I think that they (customers) come in just to read and not buy. However - business is good - so people ARE buying. :) I somehow bet that all of you are also people who would Never put a book down randomly, or just stuff it on a shelf anywhere - rather - you likely place it right back where you found it. Ah - the simplicity in that!
I am lucky, (*as is another Scribe I noticed made a similar comment in the last day or two*) as I work in a bookstore - I am allowed to borrow boks. This is great in deciding what to buy or not buy. I can take it home - or even in the case of a gaming supplement - take it to gaming to get other people's opinions. As it is - I spend WAY too much on books - so any chance to make a more informed decision - I take!
Dhomal |
| KnightErrantJR |
Posted - 14 Jul 2006 : 18:57:16
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Originally posted by ElaineCunningham
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
Wow I feel bad now . . . I hereby promise not to read any novels in bookstores anymore (actually, I have only read one novel in a bookstore, while I was getting divorced and was living on Mt. Dew and bags of Doritoes). But I have to look through gaming books, because, honestly, sometimes looking through a book has saved me a lot of buyer regret (I'm talking about you Magic of Incarnum).
I hear you, KnightErrant. Over the years, I've purchased a lot of books from Amazon.com that I never would have bought from a bookstore. The reasons are legion: clunky writing style, too small print, a lack of a bibliography in a history book.
Admittedly, I've read an entire book in a bookstore. The book in question was Laurell K. Hamilton's MICAH. It was a novella-length story stretched into a mass market paperback by using double spacing, huge margins, blank pages, and a long excerpt from an upcoming book. Seriously, there was so little on the pages that I could absorb each page in two visual bites. Fascinated by this, I started paging through it, and less than fifteen minutes later, I'd read the whole book. And then I felt obligated to purchase it, which pissed me off. With one kid in college and another soon to leave the nest, I'm purchasing fewer books these days.
Sorry to hear about your divorce. As a particular comedian once observed, you have to graph the difference between a lot of pain all at once, or lesser pain over a long period of time. He concluded that this is what calculus is for. An interesting way of looking at it, I suppose.
Thanks for your support Elaine, though the divorce is long over and now I am married to my wonderful bride of, almost, one year. During that time though, I definately drifted away from the Realms (and before then as well, since my ex had no tolerance for sci-fi or fantasy). Thankfully my lovely wife and I ended up talking about Dune and Star Trek the first night we met . . . |
| GothicDan |
Posted - 14 Jul 2006 : 18:40:09
I swear, if I didn't like some of the guys in the Anita Blake series, I'd quit reading it. I rather hate the main character both from a personal and literary point of view..
That being said, I feel the same. I have never read a book in a bookstore. It feels... Wrong. The closest I got was when I sat down and did an IQ test while my sister's significant other was browsing books.
*Shakes fist* Stupid test with its ambiguous answers. I was right! |
| Winterfox |
Posted - 14 Jul 2006 : 17:27:45
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Originally posted by ElaineCunningham
Admittedly, I've read an entire book in a bookstore. The book in question was Laurell K. Hamilton's MICAH. It was a novella-length story stretched into a mass market paperback by using double spacing, huge margins, blank pages, and a long excerpt from an upcoming book. Seriously, there was so little on the pages that I could absorb each page in two visual bites. Fascinated by this, I started paging through it, and less than fifteen minutes later, I'd read the whole book. And then I felt obligated to purchase it, which pissed me off. With one kid in college and another soon to leave the nest, I'm purchasing fewer books these days.
Yikes, and for such a... less-than-stellar book, which is a rip-off because of all that absurd spacing, too. (I understand that the author insists that it is a "novellite", neglecting the fact that there's a word for it -- novella -- and that "novellite" is not a word in any dictionary.) |
| msatran |
Posted - 14 Jul 2006 : 17:04:55
Visit the public library. A+, Elaine.
As a side note, many public libraries actually have a lot of the core books and some of the Realms stuff IN them. You won't find that in the midwest, but you'll find it on the east and west coasts of the United States, and some places in Canada. (Anyplace that is not Jesusland)I'll be buying the book, more than likely.
Oh, and KE? Magic of Incarnum? I have to agree with you. Though Monster Manual IV may soon surpass it on the list. I really don't need space devoted in a supplement to statting out an 8th level Drow Priestess. I can do that with a Players Handbook and a Monster Manual. (Which, by the way, are usually two of the books you can find in a local library.)
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| ElaineCunningham |
Posted - 14 Jul 2006 : 15:21:29
quote:
Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
Wow I feel bad now . . . I hereby promise not to read any novels in bookstores anymore (actually, I have only read one novel in a bookstore, while I was getting divorced and was living on Mt. Dew and bags of Doritoes). But I have to look through gaming books, because, honestly, sometimes looking through a book has saved me a lot of buyer regret (I'm talking about you Magic of Incarnum).
I hear you, KnightErrant. Over the years, I've purchased a lot of books from Amazon.com that I never would have bought from a bookstore. The reasons are legion: clunky writing style, too small print, a lack of a bibliography in a history book.
Admittedly, I've read an entire book in a bookstore. The book in question was Laurell K. Hamilton's MICAH. It was a novella-length story stretched into a mass market paperback by using double spacing, huge margins, blank pages, and a long excerpt from an upcoming book. Seriously, there was so little on the pages that I could absorb each page in two visual bites. Fascinated by this, I started paging through it, and less than fifteen minutes later, I'd read the whole book. And then I felt obligated to purchase it, which pissed me off. With one kid in college and another soon to leave the nest, I'm purchasing fewer books these days.
Sorry to hear about your divorce. As a particular comedian once observed, you have to graph the difference between a lot of pain all at once, or lesser pain over a long period of time. He concluded that this is what calculus is for. An interesting way of looking at it, I suppose. |
| ElaineCunningham |
Posted - 14 Jul 2006 : 15:00:44
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Besides, reading a story in its entirety in the bookstore just feels like stealing to me.
I'd have to agree with this. If reading a book in a bookstore turns it into a used copy that no one wants to buy, what is the practical difference between this and tucking it under your coat and walking out with it? If you've ensured that no one--publisher, bookstore or author--will see any revenue from that copy of the book, you might as well steal it outright. |
| The Sage |
Posted - 14 Jul 2006 : 05:58:17
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I love going to the bookstore. I consider it to be my personal Mecca... But I've never been one for relaxing with a book there. At most, I'll pick up a game book and either flip thru it or focus specifically on the one area of interest that I have, and that's it.
Aye.
It's only on the rare occasional that I'll actually sit down in a bookstore and read specific sections from the book I've currently selected. And that's only because I'm not entirely sure it's either something I want, or in the case of gaming material, something I need for my campaigns.
Most of the time, I either use the contents or index of the book (if it has one) to quickly find anything of interest to me and concentrate on those parts specifically.
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Actually... I gotta admit, there is one other time I use the book store as a library. It only happens once a year: the release of the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Issue. That I'll peruse in the bookstore, with no intention of buying it. 
Unfortunately... I can't even do that anymore.  
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| Kuje |
Posted - 14 Jul 2006 : 04:45:06
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Kuje
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
I'm like that too.
Besides, reading a story in it's entirety in the bookstore just feels like stealing to me.
Why are comfy chairs put into these stores in the first place, since they just make the place seem more like a library and less like a retail store?
It feels like stealing to me as well. And I never understood the whole comfee chair in the book store thing. I mean it's a book STORE, not a book library. :)
I love going to the bookstore. I consider it to be my personal Mecca... But I've never been one for relaxing with a book there.
As do I and I spend way to much time in bookstores. I go at least once a week and it's rare that I never leave with at least 1 book or a new magazine. But usually it's at least five or more new books or magazines. Darn you Barnes and Noble for your interesting cheap 5 to 10 dollar books. I've found many interesting books on medievil life, sword fighting, etc, from thier bargain books. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 14 Jul 2006 : 04:33:46
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Originally posted by Kuje
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
I'm like that too.
Besides, reading a story in it's entirety in the bookstore just feels like stealing to me.
Why are comfy chairs put into these stores in the first place, since they just make the place seem more like a library and less like a retail store?
It feels like stealing to me as well. And I never understood the whole comfee chair in the book store thing. I mean it's a book STORE, not a book library. :)
I love going to the bookstore. I consider it to be my personal Mecca... But I've never been one for relaxing with a book there. At most, I'll pick up a game book and either flip thru it or focus specifically on the one area of interest that I have, and that's it.
Actually... I gotta admit, there is one other time I use the book store as a library. It only happens once a year: the release of the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Issue. That I'll peruse in the bookstore, with no intention of buying it. |
| Kuje |
Posted - 14 Jul 2006 : 01:57:49
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
I'm like that too.
Besides, reading a story in it's entirety in the bookstore just feels like stealing to me.
Why are comfy chairs put into these stores in the first place, since they just make the place seem more like a library and less like a retail store?
It feels like stealing to me as well. And I never understood the whole comfee chair in the book store thing. I mean it's a book STORE, not a book library. :) |
| KnightErrantJR |
Posted - 14 Jul 2006 : 01:28:04
Wow I feel bad now . . . I hereby promise not to read any novels in bookstores anymore (actually, I have only read one novel in a bookstore, while I was getting divorced and was living on Mt. Dew and bags of Doritoes). But I have to look through gaming books, because, honestly, sometimes looking through a book has saved me a lot of buyer regret (I'm talking about you Magic of Incarnum). |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 14 Jul 2006 : 01:19:36
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Originally posted by Kuje
But I'm anal about my books and I'll go through EVERY copy to find the one that is in the best condition, especially for paperbacks.
I'm like that too.
Besides, reading a story in it's entirety in the bookstore just feels like stealing to me.
Perhaps I will see if this book ends up in the library...
Why are comfy chairs put into these stores in the first place, since they just make the place seem more like a library and less like a retail store? |
| Dhomal |
Posted - 13 Jul 2006 : 18:52:14
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Originally posted by Kuje
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Originally posted by ElaineCunningham
It's difficult to read a book without leaving signs of wear, so when you use a bookstore as a reading room, you're significantly increasing the odds that the book you read will go unsold. Books that have been read in a bookstore are usually put back on the shelves in favor of a "new" copy. Someone who intends to purchase a $30 hardcover is going to be particularly aware of the book's condition.
I know I would. :)
But I'm anal about my books and I'll go through EVERY copy to find the one that is in the best condition, especially for paperbacks. What do people do to the poor paperbacks? I mean really! Some of them are totally destroyed and they are supposed to be "new" for that bookstore.
Hello-
Absolutely. And for the record - I dont actually think reading in bookstores That Much is terribly appropriate. It is in some ways of looking at it - similar to stealing an artists' music off the 'net without paying for it. I certainly think getting a feel for something is important - but wholesale reading - not good. And beleive me - I've seen *Wholesale* reading. Many years ago - a guy came into the bookstore I was working at at the time - and during the day - read the new release Tom Clancy book from cover to cover.
As for the library suggestion - an excellent one - and in fact - one I will sometimes use at work when someone just HAS to have something fast - and ordering it is not an option. However - I thought the chances that a library might have This particular book - especially right now - were weaker than the chances for many other newer books.
As for the condition of books in retail stores. <sigh> yes, often it gets pretty bad. Sometimes they just come yo us that way. Where I work - we cull out the worst for immediate return. Mind you - there are not many that fall into this category. Some are from being there a long while - and having many people thumb-through them - checking them out. Some of that wear no doubt comes from people 'reading' the book in the store. I even lay the 'blame' on publishers sometimes. Ever seena paperback (*or hardcover w/ a dustjacket*) with a hold cut out of the cover so that some image from the first page shows through? This effect can be kinda neat - BUT - imagine sliding (even gently!*) another book next to it on the shelf! The back cover will often 'catch' on the right-side of the cutout of the book on the left side - and tear or bend the cutout section - thereby damaging the book - and not even the one that was originally being looked at!
<Ahem>
Back on topic - I'd say - Library, in-store, paperback - all great ways to go. Hmmm - maybe we will see a 'bargain' version of this in the next year or so....
Dhomal |
| Kuje |
Posted - 13 Jul 2006 : 18:30:06
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Originally posted by ElaineCunningham
It's difficult to read a book without leaving signs of wear, so when you use a bookstore as a reading room, you're significantly increasing the odds that the book you read will go unsold. Books that have been read in a bookstore are usually put back on the shelves in favor of a "new" copy. Someone who intends to purchase a $30 hardcover is going to be particularly aware of the book's condition.
I know I would. :)
But I'm anal about my books and I'll go through EVERY copy to find the one that is in the best condition, especially for paperbacks. What do people do to the poor paperbacks? I mean really! Some of them are totally destroyed and they are supposed to be "new" for that bookstore. |
| ElaineCunningham |
Posted - 13 Jul 2006 : 18:06:49
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Originally posted by Dhomal
Hello-
Far be it from me to suggest you dont spend your money on books.....
BUT - if you are put off by the price, and/or are only interested in one or two of the stories - just go to you local Big bookstore of choice - and pick up a copy - and find one of the wonderful 'comfy chairs' they have scattered about - and spend 20-30 minutes reading the story.
That way - you get to read the lore, and save your coin.
Personally - I'm soooo far behind on RAS reading that I'd be worried about a spoiler in it for something I have not read yet.
Aye - even with a discount - $30 is a bit more than I'd like to spend. Maybe a paperback - or a used copy at some point.
Dhomal
May I suggest an alternative? Visit the public library.
It's difficult to read a book without leaving signs of wear, so when you use a bookstore as a reading room, you're significantly increasing the odds that the book you read will go unsold. Books that have been read in a bookstore are usually put back on the shelves in favor of a "new" copy. Someone who intends to purchase a $30 hardcover is going to be particularly aware of the book's condition. |
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