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| Lord Rad |
Posted - 15 Feb 2003 : 10:35:32
Someone mentioned to me the other day that they had read somewhere that the Double Diamond Triangle Saga was considered officially by WotC (or TSR, not sure if WotC have the same view), that the novels are NOT canon!
Can anyone (particulary FR authors, are you still within Candlekeep Dave Gross, you wrote Opportunity for Profit (part 5) after all  ) clarify this and give any explanation as to why it is seen as not being canon? |
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| Lord Rad |
Posted - 13 Mar 2005 : 19:15:16
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Originally posted by Manix
I really liked this series. I actually have been looking to buy all of them again, I didn't know at the time that I had to read then in a differatn order than 1-9 though. This series is one that I am hoping that WotC puts into one big book.
Manix
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I haven't read any of them myself and i'll probably be leaving them until last in my backlog reading.
I believe that WotC weren't very happy with these novels and treat them as non-canon also?
I'd be interested to hear any views on which particular numbered paths through the series are best. |
| Manix |
Posted - 13 Mar 2005 : 05:22:55
I really liked this series. I actually have been looking to buy all of them again, I didn't know at the time that I had to read then in a differatn order than 1-9 though. This series is one that I am hoping that WotC puts into one big book.
Manix
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| KnightErrantJR |
Posted - 10 Mar 2005 : 22:09:12
I listened to an interview with R A Salvatore and it was really funny to hear him talk about this series. When he had his falling out with TSR and never thought he was going to return to the Drizzt character, they wrote the above mentioned series, which included Artemis, his character, which would have been a no no if he was still on board.
When he worked everything out when WOTC bought the company, someone told him that Artimis had lost an arm in the series, he told them that they better fix it before the end of the series becuase they were going to look really stupid when he started writing Artimis again and he had both his arms.
It just reminds me of Ed Greenwood saying that if any author uses another persons character they generally get permission and leave them in the same condition that they found them . . . obviously an arm missing is a bit of a modification . . . |
| Mythander |
Posted - 22 Jul 2003 : 19:26:13
I just finished reading this series. It did not seem to be that bad of a story, though it did start out fairly slow and trite.
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I think the reason for not being canon is the whole thing with the Utter East and the Bloodforges. I don't think WOTC wanted the all the nations of the Utter East to be able to summon magical armies at will.
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| Zacas |
Posted - 10 Jul 2003 : 21:16:29
ah... so this little story/series has been confirmed as NOT canon? Was beginning to wonder as i finally started to get around to reading the set and am now starting the 8th book... and a lot of it wasn't making any sense... i was trying to figure out where it placed in the timeline (esp when wizards doesn't have it on the timeline they have on their site for FR stories/novels/comics...)
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When Artemis is there... (tho i suspected it when he said only one person has matched his skill and neither could kill each other)... but the thing that really threw me off is where was his life-draining dagger? Supposedly only two of the pirate group he was with had any magic-weapons to harm the fiends when they were trying to get to Edrindal (SP? bleh...) and he didn't bring out his dagger :P and then the fact that he was actually getting hit in battles... when if i can recall right... him and drizzt were never able to land a cut on each other unless one tripped or such... tho my memory isn't very good... so i might be forgetting... but ah well.. |
| lowtech |
Posted - 14 Apr 2003 : 21:21:44
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Originally posted by George Krashos
Making the Double Diamond Triangle Saga the work of Volo (and hence fiction within fiction) was one of the last FR decisions made by Steven Schend before he left WotC. It didn't fit into plans for FR 3E, was a noose around designers necks as it was set so far into the future, and wasn't an all that brilliant FR product in the first place. It wasn't a tough decision to make.
-- George Krashos
Is the political and cultural geography of the region (as presented in the books) changed now? |
| zemd |
Posted - 12 Apr 2003 : 10:33:15
The double diamond saga isn't SO bad. Well, i didn't finish either, but it's because the 6th book isn't released anymore in France (i only have the 8 others  ) but i plan to get an english copy soon |
| Dave_Gross |
Posted - 12 Apr 2003 : 05:36:48
No offense taken, since you didn't get to mine. :)
For anyone who has enjoyed my books, check out T.H. Lain's The Sundered Arms, which I believe is slated for July (but I saw a May date on the indicia of the galleys). Writing for the T.H. Lain line is similar in a few respects to writing for the Double-Diamond series, but mostly it was easier and more fun, and I think the end product will please more people.
Dave
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Originally posted by mournblade94
No offense at all to Dave Gross, for I never read his book, but I thought that diamond series was the worse piece of writing TSR ever put out. The story grabbed me like a bar of soap. I couldn't even finish the second book. It was the first FR book I read that I actually said "WHO CARES?" and closed it for ever.
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| Mournblade |
Posted - 12 Apr 2003 : 02:04:34
No offense at all to Dave Gross, for I never read his book, but I thought that diamond series was the worse piece of writing TSR ever put out. The story grabbed me like a bar of soap. I couldn't even finish the second book. It was the first FR book I read that I actually said "WHO CARES?" and closed it for ever.
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| George Krashos |
Posted - 12 Apr 2003 : 01:36:52
Making the Double Diamond Triangle Saga the work of Volo (and hence fiction within fiction) was one of the last FR decisions made by Steven Schend before he left WotC. It didn't fit into plans for FR 3E, was a noose around designers necks as it was set so far into the future, and wasn't an all that brilliant FR product in the first place. It wasn't a tough decision to make.
-- George Krashos
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| Lord Rad |
Posted - 02 Apr 2003 : 17:56:05
Just checked the WotC site which has a new link to the novel timeline and this shows that the novels of the Double Diamond Triangle Saga are stated to be "Apocrypha / Volo's Attempts at Fiction", so I guess this is thier way of saying that it isnt canon. |
| zemd |
Posted - 19 Feb 2003 : 10:31:18
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Originally posted by sushisauce
I am still confued... where and what exactly is it about?
The story takes place in a lot of place (i know, two 'place' in the same sentence  )
For example the frst tome takes place (and again!) in waterdeep where Peiregon's (sp?) wife is captured. The second is in Skullport where Paladins try to follow the capturers... and so on |
| Dave_Gross |
Posted - 19 Feb 2003 : 06:09:39
You realize that Ed sings Feelings only with the pink boa on, right?
While I've got to agree, at the risk of seeming smug, that Terese outdid herself on Black Wolf, she sure did a great job with Sands of the Soul, too. Tazi looks pretty darned buff there. Those two plus the original Halls cover are my favorites.
You know, they ought to do a Sembia comic and get her to paint the covers. That's what I think.
Dave
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Originally posted by Voronica Whitney-Robinson
I loved how you used Tazi in LOS. You wrote her in the way that I always see her. A really fine novel. I'm glad the cover color worked out for you as Terese did such a fantastic job on the artwork of each and every one (my personal favorite was the cover for Black Wolf).
As for the "closed room mystery", all I have to say is definitely an open bar! I'll need it if I have to listen to Ed sing "Feelings".
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| Mumadar Ibn Huzal |
Posted - 19 Feb 2003 : 05:40:55
If you guys do get together for that 'closed room mystery' thingy with a bar, please sneak in a webcam or some such.
Looking forward to LOS, and I guess there's more here that do. Again, excellent series and a good concept. |
| Voronica Whitney-Robinson |
Posted - 18 Feb 2003 : 23:58:43
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Originally posted by Dave_Gross
Thanks for the kind words, Voronica! And thanks for the loan of Tazi, who is clearly the most competent and admirable of the Uskevren brats. I hope I did her justice in the scenes when she appears in LOS. If you think so, tell everyone. If you don't think so, don't tell anybody!
If we can't get Ed and Lisa to come down from the Great White North and Richard and Paul to cruise over to the Left Coast, then some Gen Con we've got to get all the Sembians together and write some sort of closed-room mystery all together, maybe in the space of a few hours, maybe with an open bar. Perhaps some karaoke.
I'm just saying.
Dave
I loved how you used Tazi in LOS. You wrote her in the way that I always see her. A really fine novel. I'm glad the cover color worked out for you as Terese did such a fantastic job on the artwork of each and every one (my personal favorite was the cover for Black Wolf).
As for the "closed room mystery", all I have to say is definitely an open bar! I'll need it if I have to listen to Ed sing "Feelings". |
| Dave_Gross |
Posted - 18 Feb 2003 : 04:32:50
Thanks for the kind words, Voronica! And thanks for the loan of Tazi, who is clearly the most competent and admirable of the Uskevren brats. I hope I did her justice in the scenes when she appears in LOS. If you think so, tell everyone. If you don't think so, don't tell anybody!
If we can't get Ed and Lisa to come down from the Great White North and Richard and Paul to cruise over to the Left Coast, then some Gen Con we've got to get all the Sembians together and write some sort of closed-room mystery all together, maybe in the space of a few hours, maybe with an open bar. Perhaps some karaoke.
I'm just saying.
Dave
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Originally posted by Voronica Whitney-Robinson
You're such a tease, Dave. By the way, I loved Lord of Stormweather!
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| Voronica Whitney-Robinson |
Posted - 18 Feb 2003 : 03:30:16
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Originally posted by Dave_Gross
In other news, I just received the author copies of Lord of Stormweather, which included two wonderful surprises on which I'll elaborate in a more appropriate topic.
Dave
You're such a tease, Dave. By the way, I loved Lord of Stormweather! |
| Dave_Gross |
Posted - 18 Feb 2003 : 01:55:20
Yep, I'm still here. While I've read online that the DDTS is not canon, I've never heard anything either way from the Wizards editors. So I'm afraid I can't be of any help in that matter.
On the other hand, I love a good conspiracy theory and can spin my own--just not online, and not without two pints for incentive. (One in front of me and one inside of me.)
In other news, I just received the author copies of Lord of Stormweather, which included two wonderful surprises on which I'll elaborate in a more appropriate topic.
Dave
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Originally posted by Rad
Someone mentioned to me the other day that they had read somewhere that the Double Diamond Triangle Saga was considered officially by WotC (or TSR, not sure if WotC have the same view), that the novels are NOT canon!
Can anyone (particulary FR authors, are you still within Candlekeep Dave Gross, you wrote Opportunity for Profit (part 5) after all ) clarify this and give any explanation as to why it is seen as not being canon?
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| Mumadar Ibn Huzal |
Posted - 17 Feb 2003 : 14:25:11
Don't know exactly what the story is about, I've read such a type of novel before, and wasn't really thrilled by the concept. That has been the main reason for me not to pursue any of these books, in addition to the fact that I do recall people mentioning that it wasn't considered Realms canon at the time the first books were published.
As feedback to WotC, the concept as done with the Sembia series was IMO a much better format, with multiple authors writing overlapping stories on a common set of characters. The books can be read as stand-alone or as a series without much difference to the reader. |
| sushisauce |
Posted - 17 Feb 2003 : 00:35:02
I am still confued... where and what exactly is it about? |
| Ranaghar Tsaran |
Posted - 16 Feb 2003 : 19:31:32
Rad, Zemd...Thank you very much for information |
| Lord Rad |
Posted - 16 Feb 2003 : 15:23:07
The parts of the saga are as follows. Im not sure on the plot details though.
Part 1 - The Abduction
Part 2 - The Paladins
Part 3 - The Mercenaries
Part 4 - Errand of Mercy
Part 5 - Opportunity for Prophet
Part 6 - Conspiracy
Part 7 - Uneasy Alliances
Part 8 - Easy Betrayals
Part 9 - The Diamond
So where are the FR authors when you need them to shed some light on this
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| zemd |
Posted - 16 Feb 2003 : 14:11:06
The schema i made isn't very readable.
The spaces between the numbers had been removed |
| zemd |
Posted - 16 Feb 2003 : 14:09:59
It's a "Labyrinth novel" in 9 episodes.
You read the first one (i only have the title in French): The Rapt
The you have the choice between reading the number 2 (Paladins) or 3 (Mercenatries).
The the 2 is followed by the 4 (Can't translate ) and the 3 by the 5 (no translation again )
Then you have to read the 6 (Conspiracy).
Then you have the choice between the 7 (Alliances (?)) or the 8 (Betrayals)
And you finish by the 9 (diamond)
The double diamond name comes from the drawing they made to explain how to read the novels
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4 6 5
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The authors are James M. Ward, David Wise, Ed Greenwood, J. Robert King, Richard Baker, David Cook, Peter Archer, Dave Gross, Roger E. Moore |
| Ranaghar Tsaran |
Posted - 16 Feb 2003 : 13:37:20
Could anybody tell me what this saga is about?In Poland we don't have such novels... |
| Lord Rad |
Posted - 16 Feb 2003 : 10:20:49
I didnt think the series (saga!) was a realms-shattering event? I cant understand how it would cause a problem to such a degree as to be declared unofficial. |
| Rellen Amostirren |
Posted - 16 Feb 2003 : 10:02:26
If I seem to recall, it was set in 1370+DR and when they brought out 3rd Ed. FR, it caused to many problems with regards to the timeline. So they put it down to a realms book written by Volo I think.
Could never get my hands on that 3rd book in the series lol |
| Thomas M. Reid |
Posted - 15 Feb 2003 : 16:17:53
Ah, yes . . .
The quintuple inverted rhombus dodecahedron hypercube saga, as it was known among many inside the hallowed halls.
I'm sorry I can't answer your question, but you did bring up some very fond memories. . . . |
