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| Lord Rad |
Posted - 20 Jan 2003 : 17:39:58
SPOILER WARNING: Please dont read any further posts in this topic if you havent yet read the series as it will contain numerous spoilers!
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Having read the first two novels mid-last year, I couldnt wait to get stuck into the last book (The Sorcerer)......how disappointed I was! I felt the novel to be far too ridiculous, it appeared as though the author (Troy Denning) had suddenly hit a brick wall and wondered how to wrap the series up! Dont get me wrong, i loved the first novel and the second was also a good read, although the more involvement with The Chosen was beginning to worry me slightly as to what was to come...... and sadly, my worries were confirmed in the last book!
IMHO, The Chosen ruined the series! Ok, youd expect them to play a part in such a Realms-shaking event but some parts were just silly....
The shrinking of the Chosen so they could be swallowed by Aris, a giant, to gain access to the City of Shade, then vomitted back up and returned to their normal size!!
The Chosen disguised as Phaerimm so that they can mingle with the true Phaerimm!!
Just two points I really disliked!
I admit that its not really my kind of novel, being as its a little too high-magic and battle-heavy for me. On the whole I enjoyed the series, I thought the Shade were done very well indeed. My idea of Phaerimm isnt as fearful as it was before reading (it didnt seem right to give them names and genders, for some reason. Too much of a personality made them likable  )
Ill likely add more to this thread later. |
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| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 02 Jan 2005 : 03:12:11
quote:
Originally posted by Valondil the Ranger
Thanks. That's probably it, but I have a sneaky feeling Denning was referring to Melevaunt's tower that he built in his short story in Realms of Shadow. 
That's my thinking -- it was Melevaunt's personal abode. |
| Valondil the Ranger |
Posted - 02 Jan 2005 : 02:51:11
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Originally posted by Kentinal
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Originally posted by Valondil the Ranger
Since we're on this subject, what is the Granite Tower? That's one of the things I didn't know about while reading it that sticks out in my mind. I tried looking it up in my 3e CS, but couldn't find any snippet of information regarding the Granite Tower. 
Doing some searching can not find much to answer this one with. Therefore I offer this posible explaination.
Many towers are built of granite (if supply, magic and/or wealth enough to do so) that in the local region the towor was that of the most powerful. That reference to the "Granite Tower" was respect, fear, acknowledgement of a power center as oposed to be some stucture known thoughout all the realms.
Thanks. That's probably it, but I have a sneaky feeling Denning was referring to Melevaunt's tower that he built in his short story in Realms of Shadow. |
| Kentinal |
Posted - 01 Jan 2005 : 21:04:37
quote:
Originally posted by Valondil the Ranger
Since we're on this subject, what is the Granite Tower? That's one of the things I didn't know about while reading it that sticks out in my mind. I tried looking it up in my 3e CS, but couldn't find any snippet of information regarding the Granite Tower.
Doing some searching can not find much to answer this one with. Therefore I offer this posible explaination.
Many towers are built of granite (if supply, magic and/or wealth enough to do so) that in the local region the towor was that of the most powerful. That reference to the "Granite Tower" was respect, fear, acknowledgement of a power center as oposed to be some stucture known thoughout all the realms. |
| Kuje |
Posted - 01 Jan 2005 : 20:41:46
Just to make this clear: I have been threatened 2 or 3 times about getting my final warning which would lead my current handle getting banned. :) WOTC has a 3 strike policy, or in my case a 3 strike policy that has wiggle room. :) |
| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 01 Jan 2005 : 20:13:51
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Originally posted by Bookwyrm
He said he was threatened with a warning -- not threatened with a ban.
I just love that... threatened with a warning. Right up there with, "Hold on a second, while I get you to sign this verbal warning."
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Now, Sirius . . . you wouldn't be including our dear Alaundo in that, now would you?
Know what the fun thing about making a general statements is? It can be applied to whoever the reader believes is appropriate. |
| Bookwyrm |
Posted - 01 Jan 2005 : 17:13:30
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Originally posted by Kentinal
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
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Originally posted by kuje31
HHAHAH. Didn't think about it till you mentioned it. Oh well I might get my final warning finally then. I've been threatened about it at least 2 or 3 times now.
What the hell kind of moderation threatens a warning? Dear Corellon do people lose their brains when they become moderators?
It depends on the moderation policy. In fact it appears to be policy of candlekeep to warn before issuing a ban. This of course is more common amoung those that moderate by committee, where one of the moderators or even a long time poster might anticipate a board ban based on what they deem crossing the line.
He said he was threatened with a warning -- not threatened with a ban.
Now, Sirius . . . you wouldn't be including our dear Alaundo in that, now would you? |
| DDH_101 |
Posted - 01 Jan 2005 : 02:29:52
The Granite Tower? I assume it's like a village or some minor settlement in Vassa. |
| Valondil the Ranger |
Posted - 31 Dec 2004 : 22:56:37
Since we're on this subject, what is the Granite Tower? That's one of the things I didn't know about while reading it that sticks out in my mind. I tried looking it up in my 3e CS, but couldn't find any snippet of information regarding the Granite Tower. |
| SirUrza |
Posted - 30 Dec 2004 : 23:40:36
Maybe end and the Hooded Lady can lend some assistence then? |
| Kuje |
Posted - 30 Dec 2004 : 22:39:38
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
Try shooting the question to Richard Baker's thread. He might be able to shoot down their 2e conspiracy theory as he was on top of all things FR at that time if I recall.
The fact that they are going with the "I heard it on the internet, so it must be true" theory should show you that even if Eilistraee came down to their homes and told them it's bunk, they'd still cling to this belief.
He's on vaca till the 3rd. :) |
| Kentinal |
Posted - 30 Dec 2004 : 22:12:26
quote:
Originally posted by SiriusBlack
quote:
Originally posted by kuje31
HHAHAH. Didn't think about it till you mentioned it. Oh well I might get my final warning finally then. I've been threatened about it at least 2 or 3 times now.
What the hell kind of moderation threatens a warning? Dear Corellon do people lose their brains when they become moderators?
It depends on the moderation policy. In fact it appears to be policy of candlekeep to warn before issuing a ban. This of course is more common amoung those that moderate by committee, where one of the moderators or even a long time poster might anticipate a board ban based on what they deem crossing the line. |
| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 30 Dec 2004 : 21:29:31
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Originally posted by kuje31
That's what I said but they keep repeating that they are positive this novel and series was originally written for 2e. Sigh. Fine, then give me a darn quote and stop with the "I heard it on the internet or from someone, so it must be true," BS.
Try shooting the question to Richard Baker's thread. He might be able to shoot down their 2e conspiracy theory as he was on top of all things FR at that time if I recall.
The fact that they are going with the "I heard it on the internet, so it must be true" theory should show you that even if Eilistraee came down to their homes and told them it's bunk, they'd still cling to this belief.
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Grin to many people over there dislike me cause I'm vocal and I argue. :) There's a surprise er?
Not really. Oh yeah, the nerve of those WOTC boarders.
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| Kuje |
Posted - 30 Dec 2004 : 17:54:57
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
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Originally posted by kuje31
And we didn't discuss if they liked the trilogy because that's getting to close to the no novel discussion. :)
 I thought you'd be the Spartacus for the WOTC boards.
Grin to many people over there dislike me cause I'm vocal and I argue. :) There's a surprise er? Guess I'm a crotchy'd old sage. Probably one that would yell at the kid's to keep off Candlekeep's lawn.  |
| Kuje |
Posted - 30 Dec 2004 : 17:53:08
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Considering that the first novel introduces two things from 3E -- sorcerers and the Shadow Weave -- I don't see how it could have been written under 2E rules. It's hard to write something under a ruleset when the rules don't exist for what you're writing.
That's what I said but they keep repeating that they are positive this novel and series was originally written for 2e. Sigh. Fine, then give me a darn quote and stop with the "I heard it on the internet or from someone, so it must be true," BS. |
| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 30 Dec 2004 : 16:08:29
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Originally posted by kuje31
And we didn't discuss if they liked the trilogy because that's getting to close to the no novel discussion. :)
I thought you'd be the Spartacus for the WOTC boards. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 30 Dec 2004 : 11:21:08
Considering that the first novel introduces two things from 3E -- sorcerers and the Shadow Weave -- I don't see how it could have been written under 2E rules. It's hard to write something under a ruleset when the rules don't exist for what you're writing. |
| Kuje |
Posted - 30 Dec 2004 : 08:18:23
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
I asked about the posters being veterans, not the moderators. The way you said veterans made me think the moderators were all veterans of a foreign war who had snapped. Come to think of it.....the WOTC boards some nights did remind me of Desert Storm.
Lore Shadow....thanks for the tip. Mayhaps I need to go behind enemy lines.
Did they like the trilogy at least even if it was written for 2e?
So we are clear. Yes the posters are veterans, or at least one is. :)
And we didn't discuss if they liked the trilogy because that's getting to close to the no novel discussion. :) |
| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 30 Dec 2004 : 06:43:48
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Originally posted by kuje31
Stop being senile. :) You asked if they were board veterarns. And the thread was originally about Lore Shadow.
I asked about the posters being veterans, not the moderators. The way you said veterans made me think the moderators were all veterans of a foreign war who had snapped. Come to think of it.....the WOTC boards some nights did remind me of Desert Storm.
Lore Shadow....thanks for the tip. Mayhaps I need to go behind enemy lines.
Did they like the trilogy at least even if it was written for 2e? |
| SirUrza |
Posted - 30 Dec 2004 : 06:01:21
Show me which parts of the novel reflect AD&D FR and we'll talk. :) |
| Kuje |
Posted - 30 Dec 2004 : 05:55:04
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
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Originally posted by kuje31
Yea I've been told to knock it off 2 or 3 times now or we will ban you. Fine fine. :) And they are veterarns, or at least one is, which is why I'm surprised at this hence my confusion.
Veterans of what?
And was the discussion with these others about some gaming aspect featured in this trilogy?
Stop being senile. :) You asked if they were board veterarns. And the thread was originally about Lord Shadow. |
| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 30 Dec 2004 : 04:56:12
quote:
Originally posted by kuje31
Yea I've been told to knock it off 2 or 3 times now or we will ban you. Fine fine. :) And they are veterarns, or at least one is, which is why I'm surprised at this hence my confusion.
Veterans of what?
And was the discussion with these others about some gaming aspect featured in this trilogy? |
| Kuje |
Posted - 30 Dec 2004 : 04:09:03
quote:
Originally posted by SiriusBlack
What the hell kind of moderation threatens a warning? Dear Corellon do people lose their brains when they become moderators?
No and this is the first time I recall hearing such a claim. Sorry I can't be more help. Are these veterans of the boards or kids on holiday break?
Yea I've been told to knock it off 2 or 3 times now or we will ban you. Fine fine. :) And they are veterarns, or at least one is, which is why I'm surprised at this hence my confusion. |
| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 30 Dec 2004 : 03:59:17
quote:
Originally posted by kuje31
HHAHAH. Didn't think about it till you mentioned it. Oh well I might get my final warning finally then. I've been threatened about it at least 2 or 3 times now.
What the hell kind of moderation threatens a warning? Dear Corellon do people lose their brains when they become moderators?
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But no one can supply a quote claiming those novels were originally 2e?
No and this is the first time I recall hearing such a claim. Sorry I can't be more help. Are these veterans of the boards or kids on holiday break? |
| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 30 Dec 2004 : 03:57:45
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Someone dared mention a book over there without BigSis coming down on him/her like a ton of bricks?!? 
Time to realize they had it in for you WR.
But I still love you. |
| Kuje |
Posted - 30 Dec 2004 : 03:08:50
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote:
Originally posted by SiriusBlack
I think that alone should tell you the likely validity of their claims. Moreover, what are you doing talking about novels over on the WOTC boards??!!! 
You rebel you!
Someone dared mention a book over there without BigSis coming down on him/her like a ton of bricks?!?
HHAHAH. Didn't think about it till you mentioned it. Oh well I might get my final warning finally then. I've been threatened about it at least 2 or 3 times now.
But no one can supply a quote claiming those novels were originally 2e? |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 30 Dec 2004 : 03:00:11
quote:
Originally posted by SiriusBlack
quote:
Originally posted by kuje31
A quote would help since they can't supply one. "I heard that this book was written for 2e even though it has 3e elements in it," is what they keep saying.
I think that alone should tell you the likely validity of their claims. Moreover, what are you doing talking about novels over on the WOTC boards??!!!
You rebel you!
Someone dared mention a book over there without BigSis coming down on him/her like a ton of bricks?!? |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 30 Dec 2004 : 02:57:28
quote:
Originally posted by DDH_101
Ya, I know what you mean. He starts throwing stuff out of nowhere about Chosens or doesn't bother to explain about the system involving the Lords of Waterdeep. If you haven't read any other books, it's going to be confusing and hard to follow, as a lot of the characters in it appears in previous FR books, like Malik. That's why I enjoyed reading RAS's books coz they usually don't involve too much Realmslore and allows new readers to get into the FR setting.
I have read a good majority of the other books, and there was still stuff I didn't understand or couldn't follow!  |
| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 30 Dec 2004 : 02:51:40
quote:
Originally posted by kuje31
A quote would help since they can't supply one. "I heard that this book was written for 2e even though it has 3e elements in it," is what they keep saying.
I think that alone should tell you the likely validity of their claims. Moreover, what are you doing talking about novels over on the WOTC boards??!!!
You rebel you! |
| DDH_101 |
Posted - 30 Dec 2004 : 02:17:21
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Originally posted by Valondil the Ranger
I started the first book in this series when I first started getting into FR--and couldn't get through it. I got about 25 pages in and found myself asking, "What in the Hells is going on?" Denning slaps a whole bunch of references in there, automatically expecting the reader to know what he's talking about, and doesn't give any explanation at all. I might pick it up again soon, but I'm having mixed feelings, even though I'm MUCH more familiar with Toril now.
Also, I read his story in Realms of Shadow and found it to be among the worst three. Sorry, Troy, but not everyone's a Realms scholar.
Ya, I know what you mean. He starts throwing stuff out of nowhere about Chosens or doesn't bother to explain about the system involving the Lords of Waterdeep. If you haven't read any other books, it's going to be confusing and hard to follow, as a lot of the characters in it appears in previous FR books, like Malik. That's why I enjoyed reading RAS's books coz they usually don't involve too much Realmslore and allows new readers to get into the FR setting. |
| Kuje |
Posted - 30 Dec 2004 : 01:37:46
Can someone clear something up for me since I was under the impression that this was a 3e novel.
Was this book and trilogy originally written for 2e? I have two people on the WOTC boards who are claiming this even though it wasn't published until after the PHB and the FRCS. March 2001. This is at least a year later, in the case of the PHB, from the 2000 published date of the PHB.
A quote would help since they can't supply one. "I heard that this book was written for 2e even though it has 3e elements in it," is what they keep saying. |
