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| Weiser_Cain |
Posted - 23 Mar 2005 : 06:00:09
Hello I am looking for FR books that feature non-humans as one of the 'heros'. I always have been more interested in Orcs, Trolls, Giants, and Gnolls, than the usual races. And after reading 'Soldiers Of Ice' I'm looking foward to more stories.
A little help? |
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| Kuje |
Posted - 06 Apr 2005 : 18:29:52
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
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Originally posted by kuje31
Death of a Darklord by Laurell K. Hamilton
Gracias. I'll have to mention this to the one FR fan I know who once read Hamilton before getting....tired of the author's plots.
Yeah a lot of people seemed to feel that way about her plots. Ah well I still enjoy her books and her new one for her fey series comes out this month, finally! Or so Amazon claims, so I won't get my hopes up. :) |
| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 06 Apr 2005 : 15:11:27
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Originally posted by Winterfox
Oh, I didn't know that, either. Did Death of a Darklord involve a blatant Hamilton insert (petite woman with dark hair and pale skin) engaging in orgies with well-endowed, male supernatural creatures by the score?
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| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 06 Apr 2005 : 15:10:23
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Originally posted by kuje31
Death of a Darklord by Laurell K. Hamilton
Gracias. I'll have to mention this to the one FR fan I know who once read Hamilton before getting....tired of the author's plots. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 06 Apr 2005 : 11:33:14
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Originally posted by kuje31
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
What I can't stand is the "OMG! Vampires are so sexay!!!11one" genre...
Take it not an Anne Rice fan?
He's not a Laurell Hamilton fan either, I take it. :) Kind of a shame though since she originally wrote one or two of the Ravenloft novels. :)
I've only read a couple of the Anne Rice novels, but she was who I had in mind when I wrote that.
As for Laurell Hamilton, I've never read her stuff. |
| Kuje |
Posted - 06 Apr 2005 : 08:08:49
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Originally posted by Winterfox
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Originally posted by kuje31
He's not a Laurell Hamilton fan either, I take it. :) Kind of a shame though since she originally wrote one or two of the Ravenloft novels. :)
Oh, I didn't know that, either. Did Death of a Darklord involve a blatant Hamilton insert (petite woman with dark hair and pale skin) engaging in orgies with well-endowed, male supernatural creatures by the score?
Honestly. I don't remember. :) I have that book but I've read it so long ago that it even surprised me when I was looking over my books when I picked up her Anita books that I went, "Holy Beep! She wrote for TSR! Why didn't I remember this!?" |
| Winterfox |
Posted - 06 Apr 2005 : 07:46:55
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Originally posted by kuje31
He's not a Laurell Hamilton fan either, I take it. :) Kind of a shame though since she originally wrote one or two of the Ravenloft novels. :)
Oh, I didn't know that, either. Did Death of a Darklord involve a blatant Hamilton insert (petite woman with dark hair and pale skin) engaging in orgies with well-endowed, male supernatural creatures by the score? |
| Kuje |
Posted - 06 Apr 2005 : 07:15:01
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
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Originally posted by kuje31
He's not a Laurell Hamilton fan either, I take it. :) Kind of a shame though since she originally wrote one or two of the Ravenloft novels. :)
I didn't know that. Which ones?
Death of a Darklord by Laurell K. Hamilton |
| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 06 Apr 2005 : 06:50:24
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Originally posted by kuje31
He's not a Laurell Hamilton fan either, I take it. :) Kind of a shame though since she originally wrote one or two of the Ravenloft novels. :)
I didn't know that. Which ones? |
| Kuje |
Posted - 06 Apr 2005 : 06:21:15
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
What I can't stand is the "OMG! Vampires are so sexay!!!11one" genre...
Take it not an Anne Rice fan?
He's not a Laurell Hamilton fan either, I take it. :) Kind of a shame though since she originally wrote one or two of the Ravenloft novels. :) |
| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 06 Apr 2005 : 06:04:53
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
What I can't stand is the "OMG! Vampires are so sexay!!!11one" genre...
Take it not an Anne Rice fan? |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 06 Apr 2005 : 05:48:49
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
What do you feel about books about vampire characters? Is that too human-like, or does that count as monstrous?
I'd say that depends on how the vampire character is represented. Such creatures have had different interpretations from writers throughout the centuries.
I concur...
I prefer to see vampires as tragic and/or monstrous. Jander Sunstar, for example, was quite tragic because of the monstrous nature he was fighting within himself. Strahd was monstrous by choice, but still a monster.
What I can't stand is the "OMG! Vampires are so sexay!!!11one" genre... I don't care how sensuous a being is, someone who can only live by sucking the life out of someone else is not sexy. It doesn't matter if it's Dracula or a graduate of the Harvard School of Law ( ), being a leech is a major turn-off, and I can't read anything that glorifies in this. |
| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 06 Apr 2005 : 03:30:37
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
What do you feel about books about vampire characters? Is that too human-like, or does that count as monstrous?
I'd say that depends on how the vampire character is represented. Such creatures have had different interpretations from writers throughout the centuries. |
| Erik Scott de Bie |
Posted - 06 Apr 2005 : 02:27:59
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Originally posted by Weiser_Cain
Maybe but my aim is actually the struggle to fit in/survive/dominate or what have you as an obvious outsider. Also I like to read about non-human societies.
Oh absolutely. We were just doing that witty, see-what-else-applies thing that's so common to philosophic debate.
I've long been a fan of those novels where an important character is a downright monster and either 1) represses it or 2) is unaware of it entirely. Heart of Midnight, from Ravenloft, for instance. Ah, that was a fun setting. All the books are about either the characters struggling against their own evil, or struggling to keep from being corrupted.
What do you feel about books about vampire characters? Is that too human-like, or does that count as monstrous?
Cheers
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| Weiser_Cain |
Posted - 06 Apr 2005 : 00:22:31
Maybe but my aim is actually the struggle to fit in/survive/dominate or what have you as an obvious outsider. Also I like to read about non-human societies. |
| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 30 Mar 2005 : 20:11:07
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
Somehow, I knew the Martin joke was coming.
Thank you ladies and germs. I'll be here all week.
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If you want to open your definition of "monstrous protagonist" to include what we might refer to as "monsters" among people, A Song of Ice and Fire is not a bad bet (morality's a little debatable in that one)
A good point. The most frightening "monsters" to this reader are usually ones with hearts of darkness over any racial background. |
| Erik Scott de Bie |
Posted - 30 Mar 2005 : 19:08:46
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
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Originally posted by Weiser_Cain
Incest is bad?
Not according to Cersei and Jaime Lannister. 
Somehow, I knew the Martin joke was coming.
If you want to open your definition of "monstrous protagonist" to include what we might refer to as "monsters" among people, A Song of Ice and Fire is not a bad bet (morality's a little debatable in that one), and I hear (HEAR) that Elric is pretty nasty in Moorcock's work (nasty in a terribly, terribly good way ), but they aren't really "monstrous protagonists." 
Cheers |
| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 30 Mar 2005 : 03:28:33
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Originally posted by Weiser_Cain
Incest is bad?
Not according to Cersei and Jaime Lannister. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 29 Mar 2005 : 23:35:48
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Originally posted by Weiser_Cain
Incest is bad?
Oh, the jokes I could crack off of this one! But I shall do the rare thing of practicing some self-restraint, because Big Al is becoming particularly adept at beating me with his staff.  
Oh, and another non-human protangonist, one I'm surprised hasn't been mentioned before: Dragonbait, of the Finder's Stone Trilogy and Masquerade. |
| Weiser_Cain |
Posted - 29 Mar 2005 : 22:37:32
Incest is bad? |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 29 Mar 2005 : 12:27:08
And, as I recall, Astinus himself cleared up that matter. |
| Winterfox |
Posted - 29 Mar 2005 : 04:41:32
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Originally posted by Weiser_Cain
I'd read up to the point where he sacrificed himself because of that BS about evil not being able to create. And cried for his brother, sickening...
So what was his ultimate ultimate fate? And did anyone do anything with that daughter of his?
I've always heard that the later novels were crap(and if they're like the last bit I read I agree), did I hear wrong?
Spoilers, highlight to read: Raistlin ultimately passes away along with all the other spirits, alongside Caramon. His "daughter" Usha isn't actually his daughter; Raistlin denies as much, and rather sarcastically at that. It's not certain, though, since in the short story Raistlin's Daughter, the Irda woman Amberyl is supposed to have erased Raistlin's memory of her. But on the other hand, if Usha really is Raistlin's daughter, then her union with Palin would be every-so-slightly incestuous. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 29 Mar 2005 : 03:59:22
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Originally posted by Weiser_Cain
I'd read up to the point where he sacrificed himself because of that BS about evil not being able to create. And cried for his brother, sickening...
So what was his ultimate ultimate fate? And did anyone do anything with that daughter of his?
I've always heard that the later novels were crap(and if they're like the last bit I read I agree), did I hear wrong?
Well, you know how it's said that in the Realms, death isn't a career-ending injury? In Raistlin's case, the same applies. He put in a couple more appearances before finally moving on.
My rule of thumb for the Dragonlance novels is simple: if Weis and Hickman wrote it, it's good. If not, skip it. Their War of Souls trilogy happens well after the Legends trilogy, and I thought it was awesome (though I was disappointed with the Raistlin's Daughter issue).
I would love to see that writing duo take on a Realms project, but I don't know that they could. I've read a lot of their stuff, and most of it would dwarf the "standard" Realms-Shattering Event (RSE)... Especially the Sundering! |
| Weiser_Cain |
Posted - 29 Mar 2005 : 01:45:03
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
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Originally posted by Weiser_Cain
Not a problem 'Dragons Of Autum Twilight' was the first DnD book I read I only moved on to forgotten realms because I didn't like what happened to Raistlin(and because there was so much more FR material).
Do you mean the FIRST ultimate fate of Raistlin or the SECOND ultimate fate of Raistlin? Or somewhere in between?
I agree. Very cool character.
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Originally posted by Alaundo
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Nope ::sits back in armchair reading a Forgotten Realms novel, surrounded by shelf after shelf of Realms material::
That very much reminded me of a friend of mine.
db
P.S. Any crossover between Alaundo and Astinius, Chronicler of Krynn's history, present, and (maybe) future? Hmm.........
I'd read up to the point where he sacrificed himself because of that BS about evil not being able to create. And cried for his brother, sickening...
So what was his ultimate ultimate fate? And did anyone do anything with that daughter of his?
I've always heard that the later novels were crap(and if they're like the last bit I read I agree), did I hear wrong?
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| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 28 Mar 2005 : 23:56:26
I have considered bringing a draconian or dragonspawn from Krynn to the Realms, as an NPC... I've just not found the right concept yet, so I've not done it. |
| Erik Scott de Bie |
Posted - 28 Mar 2005 : 19:44:40
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Originally posted by Weiser_Cain
Not a problem 'Dragons Of Autum Twilight' was the first DnD book I read I only moved on to forgotten realms because I didn't like what happened to Raistlin(and because there was so much more FR material).
Do you mean the FIRST ultimate fate of Raistlin or the SECOND ultimate fate of Raistlin? Or somewhere in between?
I agree. Very cool character.
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Originally posted by Alaundo
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Nope ::sits back in armchair reading a Forgotten Realms novel, surrounded by shelf after shelf of Realms material::
That very much reminded me of a friend of mine.
db
P.S. Any crossover between Alaundo and Astinius, Chronicler of Krynn's history, present, and (maybe) future? Hmm......... |
| Alaundo |
Posted - 28 Mar 2005 : 10:31:38
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
We could all use a touch of the monstrous.
If you're willing to branch out to Dragonlance....<SNIP>
Nope ::sits back in armchair reading a Forgotten Realms novel, surrounded by shelf after shelf of Realms material:: |
| Weiser_Cain |
Posted - 28 Mar 2005 : 07:11:46
Not a problem 'Dragons Of Autum Twilight' was the first DnD book I read I only moved on to forgotten realms because I didn't like what happened to Raistlin(and because there was so much more FR material). |
| Erik Scott de Bie |
Posted - 28 Mar 2005 : 04:17:24
We could all use a touch of the monstrous.
If you're willing to branch out to Dragonlance, I believe there are quite a few books that have Draconian protagonists. The Doom Brigade, Draconian Measures. . . that was quite some time ago.
In FR, I think short stories are going to be your best bet.
Cheers,
db |
| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 24 Mar 2005 : 04:28:35
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Originally posted by Thomas M. Reid
Arbeenok is an alaghi. 
Thomas
Thank you TMR. I swear I was going to look it up when I got the chance as I know you've mentioned it before on some other thread or board.
Looking forward to the series' conclusion. |
| Thomas M. Reid |
Posted - 24 Mar 2005 : 01:45:44
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And for the life of me right now, I can't recall what race Reid's NSRC is actually. 
Arbeenok is an alaghi.
Thomas |
