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| OrnluTheWolf |
Posted - 21 Jun 2004 : 22:22:54
I would post this in R.A. Salvatore's thread, but I'm looking more for the opinions of fellow scribes that I am for his opinion:
I finished The Lone Drow a few weeks ago, and I have be mulling it over in my mind. I've come to the conclusion that too much of the conflict in the novel is internal. Not that it ruined that book (I'd still give it an 8 out of 10), but I just can't connect. How do you all feel about Drizzt's struggles? |
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| rumblebelly |
Posted - 25 Jun 2004 : 10:52:23
I always say that;
I like it when drizzt goes mad and fights with frenzy
(hey you know he has got one bbn level, for he goes into rage sometimes)
anyway, in lone drow there's too much fighting eh? Well, I like that too lol
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| Sarta |
Posted - 24 Jun 2004 : 01:49:45
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Originally posted by kuje31
I dunno, Ed's been pushing those boundries over and over in his FR novels....
To say nothing of Lisa Smedman's works. Venom's Taste definitely pushed those boundries hard.
Sarta |
| Kuje |
Posted - 23 Jun 2004 : 22:27:44
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
The first NC-17 rated FR novel. 
I dunno, Ed's been pushing those boundries over and over in his FR novels.... |
| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 23 Jun 2004 : 21:52:54
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Originally posted by OrnluTheWolf
I don't know; it would be pretty halarious to see Drizzt as Lirel's boy-toy (I'd say drowmale-toy, but that doesn't rhyme).
The first NC-17 rated FR novel. |
| OrnluTheWolf |
Posted - 23 Jun 2004 : 21:42:28
I don't know; it would be pretty halarious to see Drizzt as Lirel's boy-toy (I'd say drowmale-toy, but that doesn't rhyme).
Yeah, Lirel and Drizzt are from completly different worlds, even if both of them grew up in the same town. |
| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 23 Jun 2004 : 20:15:26
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Originally posted by Sarelle
I too think such a story would not be good. The only bit I'd like would be reading how wound up Drizzt would get!  If anything, Ms. Cunningham's response is the funniest version you could get, in just a couple of neat lines, no less!
Yes, Elaine Cunningham's post that showed how a potential meeting between Drizzt and Liriel would play out stands as a fine example on why these two characters should never meet within a novel. |
| Sarelle |
Posted - 23 Jun 2004 : 19:51:44
I too think such a story would not be good. The only bit I'd like would be reading how wound up Drizzt would get! If anything, Ms. Cunningham's response is the funniest version you could get, in just a couple of neat lines, no less! |
| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 23 Jun 2004 : 03:02:23
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Originally posted by OrnluTheWolf
Lirel Baenre is a whole different animal altogether (as my government proffessor would say). I'm not sure her alignment is anywhere close to Drizzt's, but I'm positive that her psyche is astronomically different.
Each character's psyche is very different. This fact is one of the reasons I am a loud voice of opposition to any plan to have the two appear in some novel together as some have suggested on other boards. |
| OrnluTheWolf |
Posted - 23 Jun 2004 : 02:05:12
Sorry that it has taken me so long to reply, but I just started a new job.
Before I get started, could one of you "author-types" answer a qestion for me: should "character struggles" in the title of this post be hyphenated?
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I do not look at the books as Drizzt's stuggles however because I do not find him to be a particularly appealing character(I do not dislike him).
I never meant to call the books his struggles, just that there are irritatingly frequent passages about his internal conflict.
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I, for one, am tired of reading about his angst. I got the picture several books ago, thank you.
It's not necessarily that, just that I fail to sypathize or connect in any way with his problems.
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I think that a large part of the Drizzt annoyance is that he hasn't changed in several books. His relationships have become stagnant, and his actions predictable. The budding relationship with the elven woman may open the door to change. Without internal evolution, no character can remain entertaining for too long. Don't get me wrong; I enjoy the books, and find the other characters very interesting. Salvatore is especially good at portraying spellcaster as more than the cast-and-ranters some others seem to use.
I whole-heartedly agree, and thanks for a suggestion which had not occured to me in any form whatsoever. I hope that the developments of The Lone Drow will take Drizzt's character in a new direction because this one is somewhat stale. Caderly (sp?) is actually my all-time favorite character.
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Personally, I thought that Thousand Orcs was the weakest of the Drizzt series...likening it to the sort of rambling hack-and-slash of early Dragonlance.
Hey, even hank-and-slashes are cool every now and then. I actually place TO one level above LD, because it was Salvatore doing what he does best, battle. I personally think he gives a level of clarity to fight scenes that no one else quite obtains, as well as an ease of reading which is unsurpassed. The ONLY thing I have a problem with is this failure to connect I keep talking about.
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And as far as Drizzt's "mopeyness" goes, let's face it folks. Drizzt is the troubled hero-prototype. Being a drow running around on the surface means that you're gonna find more pitch forks hurled at you than chocolate chip cookies, and that's gonna make anybody angst-y. However, Drizzt's growing fame with the goodly folk has really let Salvatore breathe in the later books, as he is no longer bound to write the traditional "OH GODS! RUN, IT'S A DROW!" sequence that prefaced every chapter in which Drizzt came to a new town in the earlier works.
Amen
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Granted, that would draw much vacuum for a person in that situation. But Liriel Baenre had the same problem without being angst-ridden about it...
Lirel Baenre is a whole different animal altogether (as my government proffessor would say). I'm not sure her alignment is anywhere close to Drizzt's, but I'm positive that her psyche is astronomically different.
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That's part of why I've not been eager to jump into the new Drizzt books.
Understood. But, the books' merits still outweigh their flaws. |
| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 22 Jun 2004 : 17:26:12
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Granted, that would draw much vacuum for a person in that situation. But Liriel Baenre had the same problem without being angst-ridden about it...
Something I liked in the Liriel books is she definitely went through changes and had loss in her struggles. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 22 Jun 2004 : 16:55:22
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Originally posted by Arion Elenim
And as far as Drizzt's "mopeyness" goes, let's face it folks. Drizzt is the troubled hero-prototype. Being a drow running around on the surface means that you're gonna find more pitch forks hurled at you than chocolate chip cookies, and that's gonna make anybody angst-y.
Granted, that would draw much vacuum for a person in that situation. But Liriel Baenre had the same problem without being angst-ridden about it...
And being bothered by it is one thing, constantly dwelling on it is another. As I said earlier, I got the point several novels ago -- it doesn't need to be hammered into my skull. It's almost as bad as an X-Men comic, with every other panel mentioning that they're "sworn to protect a world that hates and fears them."
That's part of why I've not been eager to jump into the new Drizzt books. |
| Arion Elenim |
Posted - 22 Jun 2004 : 16:23:04
Personally, I thought that Thousand Orcs was the weakest of the Drizzt series...likening it to the sort of rambling hack-and-slash of early Dragonlance.
However, Lone Drow was such an incredible novel that it almost seemed as if the two stories were written by different authors...
Sarelle, the relationships in Lone Drow may make up for your feelings toward TO...
SPOILER ALERT!!!!!!
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With the introduction of Drizzt's new possible love interest AND his further interaction with the surface elves AND his first meeting with the faith of Elistraee AND his separation from the Heroes of the Hall, LD completely revitalizes the series.
And as far as Drizzt's "mopeyness" goes, let's face it folks. Drizzt is the troubled hero-prototype. Being a drow running around on the surface means that you're gonna find more pitch forks hurled at you than chocolate chip cookies, and that's gonna make anybody angst-y. However, Drizzt's growing fame with the goodly folk has really let Salvatore breathe in the later books, as he is no longer bound to write the traditional "OH GODS! RUN, IT'S A DROW!" sequence that prefaced every chapter in which Drizzt came to a new town in the earlier works.
So...maybe a look at Lone Drow is worth it, folks...after the disappointment I got from TO, Lone Drow was a wonderful reminder of why Salvatore is the best-selling fantasy author in the world....
Uhm...who isn't Tolkein or JK Rowling....or somebody else I may be forgetting....
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| Sarelle |
Posted - 22 Jun 2004 : 10:10:42
I third Sourcemaster's comments. I recently had the opportunity to read The Thousand Orcs, but only managed two and a half chapters. Drizzt's world had lost any sense of unnexpectancy or mystery, and his character was settling into his own stereotype too much. |
| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 22 Jun 2004 : 06:11:23
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Originally posted by Sourcemaster2
I think that a large part of the Drizzt annoyance is that he hasn't changed in several books. His relationships have become stagnant, and his actions predictable. The budding relationship with the elven woman may open the door to change. Without internal evolution, no character can remain entertaining for too long.
Sirius nods. That was very well said Sourcemaster2. |
| Sourcemaster2 |
Posted - 22 Jun 2004 : 05:52:12
I think that a large part of the Drizzt annoyance is that he hasn't changed in several books. His relationships have become stagnant, and his actions predictable. The budding relationship with the elven woman may open the door to change. Without internal evolution, no character can remain entertaining for too long. Don't get me wrong; I enjoy the books, and find the other characters very interesting. Salvatore is especially good at portraying spellcaster as more than the cast-and-ranters some others seem to use. |
| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 22 Jun 2004 : 01:59:43
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I, for one, am tired of reading about his angst. I got the picture several books ago, thank you.
I take it that means no more diary entries for you? I have loved the covers for the this series. Todd Lockwood did great work. |
| Arion Elenim |
Posted - 22 Jun 2004 : 01:28:00
I personally enjoyed every page of Lone Drow...Salvatore's best since Siege of Darkness. I think that the level of personal conflict was kept at an appropriate level...and that any of Drizzt's personal problems were well tempered with the army of bad guys he confronted.
Loved it. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 22 Jun 2004 : 01:01:37
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Originally posted by OrnluTheWolf
How do you all feel about Drizzt's struggles?
I, for one, am tired of reading about his angst. I got the picture several books ago, thank you. |
| Ignorance Personified |
Posted - 22 Jun 2004 : 00:04:49
SPOILERS For THE LONE DROW
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I concur with your assessment, altough I give it a 9 out of 10 because Bruenor's remergence was so well done and it has a reference to one of my favorite short stories("Elminister at The Mage Fair") , the fighting was featured a little to prominantely in the novel.
END SPOILERS
I was very impressed with this novel and the trilogy as a whole as I will be waiting for my bookstore to open the day The Two Swords is released. I do not look at the books as Drizzt's stuggles however because I do not find him to be a particularly appealing character(I do not dislike him). I have always found Bruenor to be the most appealing character of the group and have found Nanfoodle/Ivan & Pikel's exploits to be the most entertaining aspects of this trilogy. Artemis was my favorite character while reading the eariler books and continues to be(can't wait for the next book with him in it).
I will admit that I am a bit biased as it was RA Salvatore's works that encouraged me to read.
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| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 21 Jun 2004 : 22:45:07
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Originally posted by OrnluTheWolf
How do you all feel about Drizzt's struggles?
I tired of it quite a number of novels ago. I tried again to connect with the first book in this new Drizzt trilogy. But, I just didn't find reading the novel enjoyable. |
