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| BloodAngel72 |
Posted - 11 Jan 2010 : 19:14:20
Wondering if anyone has any info or insight as to if pharaun mizzrym will be appearing in any future FR novels, possibly a series or trilogy involving kael or a second escape from the demonweb pits that he had returned to after the crystal mountain?? I find it quit a waste to end such an amazing character permanantly. |
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| Zanan |
Posted - 05 Jun 2010 : 20:20:15
At first I thought ... hey, stereotypical babble* by male young adults loving the theme of an arrogant, traitorous, and ruthless male character. A character giving the female high-ups of his society the raised middle finger time and again ... while revelling in it and his own powers.
My second thought is that my first thought was correct. That dolt was done for good and rightly so. And while we are at it, having read about the alu-demon and Kaanyr since their first appearance in Hellgate Keep, I was rather bemused to see how this trilogy dismantled these characters' coolness to the core.
*No disrespect whatsoever folks, just my impression ... |
| Ruul |
Posted - 04 Jun 2010 : 16:29:57
Pharaun quickly rose to the top of my favorite Realms characters. I'd love to see more of him. |
| Zireael |
Posted - 31 May 2010 : 10:20:15
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Originally posted by BloodAngel72
Please let me clarify. I stated that I was 110% confident that Pharaun's return would/will make a great continuation of a story. I did not say that I was 110% sure of anything. Furthermore, yes he did leave something to be resurrected by: the sorcere ring given to his son Kael. There are other details that support this as listed in previous posts. And as Richard Lee Byres himself mentioned in his post on this thread: You can always bring a character back in high fantasy. Its all about imagination, and with that anything is possible in the forgotten realms. Wether or not that "will happen is obviously beyond me.
I didn't know about the ring. I really have to get my hands on Crystal Mountain now... |
| BloodAngel72 |
Posted - 31 May 2010 : 02:01:26
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Originally posted by Zireael
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Originally posted by BloodAngel72
WIth the amount of creativity going around in this new addition that the forgotten realms has entered into, the sky is the limit especially for characters such as Pharaun Mizzrym. I am 110 percent confident that if (and hopefully when) they do bring Pharaun back, that it will be absolutely epic!!
I wouldn't be 110% sure. For starters, I don't think anyone will bring him back in canon. Secondly, bringing him back in Crystal Mountain only to kill him again was kinda lame. Did he leave something at least so that he could be resurrected again?
And BTW, is Aliisza really dead or not, I heard different opinions...
Please let me clarify. I stated that I was 110% confident that Pharaun's return would/will make a great continuation of a story. I did not say that I was 110% sure of anything. Furthermore, yes he did leave something to be resurrected by: the sorcere ring given to his son Kael. There are other details that support this as listed in previous posts. And as Richard Lee Byres himself mentioned in his post on this thread: You can always bring a character back in high fantasy. Its all about imagination, and with that anything is possible in the forgotten realms. Wether or not that "will happen is obviously beyond me. |
| Zireael |
Posted - 26 May 2010 : 16:18:12
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Originally posted by Zelg of Cyric
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I just wanted to put in my two cents here. I don't think Pharaun was done justice in Crystal Mountain. He was made out like some kind of comical character. I really hope that is not the end of him, he deserves better. I also think Aliisza is great character that I would love to see continue. The EO series was really about her and they really developed her well, but it's still not enough. I want to know about her childhood and her parents. She died a very good death, but I think she still deserves a better "ending," as a character. And if you bring back Pharaun than you HAVE to bring Aliisza back, or it would be a like a PB sandwhich without the J. I would buy more books about either them even if they are set in the "after-life." They are such complex characters it would hard to predict what the fates of their souls would be, especially Aliisza.
I agree with the last statement. I think killing them both off is really lame. /Remember Pharaun got offed again too./ But I don't think we really have to know all the details about her life. |
| Zelg of Cyric |
Posted - 25 May 2010 : 20:48:26
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I just wanted to put in my two cents here. I don't think Pharaun was done justice in Crystal Mountain. He was made out like some kind of comical character. I really hope that is not the end of him, he deserves better. I also think Aliisza is great character that I would love to see continue. The EO series was really about her and they really developed her well, but it's still not enough. I want to know about her childhood and her parents. She died a very good death, but I think she still deserves a better "ending," as a character. And if you bring back Pharaun than you HAVE to bring Aliisza back, or it would be a like a PB sandwhich without the J. I would buy more books about either them even if they are set in the "after-life." They are such complex characters it would hard to predict what the fates of their souls would be, especially Aliisza. |
| Zireael |
Posted - 16 May 2010 : 10:01:17
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Originally posted by BloodAngel72
WIth the amount of creativity going around in this new addition that the forgotten realms has entered into, the sky is the limit especially for characters such as Pharaun Mizzrym. I am 110 percent confident that if (and hopefully when) they do bring Pharaun back, that it will be absolutely epic!!
I wouldn't be 110% sure. For starters, I don't think anyone will bring him back in canon. Secondly, bringing him back in Crystal Mountain only to kill him again was kinda lame. Did he leave something at least so that he could be resurrected again?
And BTW, is Aliisza really dead or not, I heard different opinions... |
| BloodAngel72 |
Posted - 16 May 2010 : 01:18:21
WIth the amount of creativity going around in this new addition that the forgotten realms has entered into, the sky is the limit especially for characters such as Pharaun Mizzrym. I am 110 percent confident that if (and hopefully when) they do bring Pharaun back, that it will be absolutely epic!! |
| Dennis |
Posted - 13 May 2010 : 17:49:52
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Originally posted by yanic
id love to see pharaun brought back, he was such a great character, its funny how writers are so quick to do away with interesting characters, yet the dull ones endure :( sigh
At least not all the interesting characters in the realms are killed...But if ever they bring Pharaun back, it has to be for a sensible and far more interesting reasons than to rescue a lover. |
| skychrome |
Posted - 12 May 2010 : 23:55:13
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I just finished The Crystal Mountain and I have to say that Pharaun is simply from another league! Which other characters can be as entertaining and grand as this one? This is what I have been missing all the way since finishing WotSQ.
This said, I think his end was pretty much unmotivated.
Anyways, I do not see why he should not appear again. There should be enough ways to replace his finger as a means.
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| BloodAngel72 |
Posted - 18 Apr 2010 : 20:08:46
I must say I like where this is going! It is always an honor to have feedback on this thread especially from respected authors such as Mr Byers and Mr Gomez. |
| The Sage |
Posted - 14 Apr 2010 : 04:17:17
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Richard Lee Byers
In a high fantasy universe, you can always bring a character back. It may not be a good idea. You may not be able to do it a way that doesn't seem cheap or arbitrary. But you can do it.
I think it was Faiths & Avatars that contained the line "In the Realms, death is not necessarily a career-ending injury." (or words to that effect).
Close. "Death has been shown to by no means be a career-ending proposition for powers of the Realms." -- pg. 15. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 14 Apr 2010 : 04:04:15
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Originally posted by Richard Lee Byers
In a high fantasy universe, you can always bring a character back. It may not be a good idea. You may not be able to do it a way that doesn't seem cheap or arbitrary. But you can do it.
I think it was Faiths & Avatars that contained the line "In the Realms, death is not necessarily a career-ending injury." (or words to that effect).
And the City of Splendors boxed set notes that Nain Keenwhistler is the "current record holder for most resurrections of any citizen of Waterdeep". According to the lovely Lady Hooded One, his record stands at more than 20!  |
| yanic |
Posted - 13 Apr 2010 : 15:40:36
id love to see pharaun brought back, he was such a great character, its funny how writers are so quick to do away with interesting characters, yet the dull ones endure :( sigh |
| Richard Lee Byers |
Posted - 12 Apr 2010 : 20:17:08
In a high fantasy universe, you can always bring a character back. It may not be a good idea. You may not be able to do it a way that doesn't seem cheap or arbitrary. But you can do it. |
| Zireael |
Posted - 12 Apr 2010 : 10:32:31
Well, with some things that happened in the Empyrean Odyssey, I don't think bringing Pharaun back is even possible.
I would have written more, but I'm new and don't know how to make a Spoiler here.
Zireael |
| BloodAngel72 |
Posted - 05 Mar 2010 : 22:17:44
Well I guess we can only hope then. I don't know exactly how WOTC authorities go about determining what is popular and what is not but I would guess that they would largely depend on what best sells in stores and I also imagine that they would pay particular attention to forums as well to see what stories and characters are most popular among their readers. It may be a long shot with this particular character (Pharaun Mizzrym), but then again I am just another nerd wanting his fantasy character back :) |
| Dalor Darden |
Posted - 03 Mar 2010 : 04:40:45
What number of novels do you think Wizards says is "the minimum" to consider running a book for?
What is their minimum number of "we have to sell this many, or this is a flop"?
Get that number of petitions, on real paper, and deliver it to them (in person...) and you might get your wish.  |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 03 Mar 2010 : 04:06:55
I should also like to note that an internet petition is usually worth the paper it's printed on. They simply aren't respected by anyone other than their signers, usually. |
| The Sage |
Posted - 03 Mar 2010 : 01:16:45
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by BloodAngel72
Good to see that I am not the only one who feels so strongly about this. Please correct me if I am wrong but from what I understand, I am under the impression that FR authors review these forums from time to time. Maybe this will act as a petition to bring Pharaun back once and for all, lol.
FR authors don't make that call -- someone at WotC would have to decide to have a Pharaun book written. And WotC has its own methodology for deciding what will be popular enough for them to take on -- an email or letter campaign might do it, if the volume is high enough, but that's not a guarantee.
Indeed. Some scribes, in the past, have attempted the "petition-method" for certain authors and/or characters to make a comeback in the fiction. But experience has told us that while Wizards may appreciate such thinking from time to time, they largely have their own internal dynamics that determine just where and how [and even if] a beloved character may make his/her return.
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| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 03 Mar 2010 : 00:45:12
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Originally posted by BloodAngel72
Good to see that I am not the only one who feels so strongly about this. Please correct me if I am wrong but from what I understand, I am under the impression that FR authors review these forums from time to time. Maybe this will act as a petition to bring Pharaun back once and for all, lol.
FR authors don't make that call -- someone at WotC would have to decide to have a Pharaun book written. And WotC has its own methodology for deciding what will be popular enough for them to take on -- an email or letter campaign might do it, if the volume is high enough, but that's not a guarantee. |
| BloodAngel72 |
Posted - 02 Mar 2010 : 21:28:20
Good to see that I am not the only one who feels so strongly about this. Please correct me if I am wrong but from what I understand, I am under the impression that FR authors review these forums from time to time. Maybe this will act as a petition to bring Pharaun back once and for all, lol. |
| Alystra Illianniis |
Posted - 28 Feb 2010 : 05:06:56
I'd like to see more of him, myself- but then, I'd like to see more drow tales outside of Drizzt, anyway. |
| Dantrag |
Posted - 25 Feb 2010 : 09:34:16
I agree completley, Pharaun was a character to rival Jarlaxle himself, and was very well constructed by the authors. It was a shame to see him go the first time. I ask the question , "why did they kill him?", his death wouldn't have changed the Lady Pentitent in the least bit(aside from how he enters the story). Good topic, got my blood pumpin!! ;) |
| draethe |
Posted - 24 Feb 2010 : 04:59:53
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Originally posted by IZDemon
I'd love to see Pharaun again. He is one of my favorite characters.
Here here. Pharaun was great value. One of my favourite characters and great anti-hero. I hope its not the last we see of him. |
| IZDemon |
Posted - 15 Feb 2010 : 14:25:17
I'd love to see Pharaun again. He is one of my favorite characters. |
| BloodAngel72 |
Posted - 12 Feb 2010 : 20:17:32
LOL, well if respectable fans such as yourself keep posting comments such as this one, me might very well see a Pharaun series. |
| swifty |
Posted - 07 Feb 2010 : 10:21:48
that topic was such a tease.i thought it was gonna happen. |
| BloodAngel72 |
Posted - 06 Feb 2010 : 16:35:15
A trilogy and/or series stemming from the demon web pits has great potential if placed in the care of the right author. A good story teller can work wonders with a story line such as that especially with Pharaun not to mention the need to follow up on Kael (whom has great potential as well). I am definately hoping for yet another incredible series involving these great characters. Please continue to share your thoughts/opinions and let me know of any official news in regards to this. |
| gomez |
Posted - 27 Jan 2010 : 09:31:25
"It's only a flesh wound"
I still have to get to Crystal Mountain (am halfway the Gossamer Plains, will get there).
I admit Pharaun was interesting. Who knows, I may use him. I do have plans with the Demonweb Pits.
Gomez |
