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| Dargoth |
Posted - 27 Mar 2006 : 09:14:40
Amazon have listed the following WOTC titles for the 4th Quarter
And there isnt a single realms book listed.....
September:
Faiths of Eberron
Dragon Magic
Dungeons & Dragons Basic Game 2006
October:
Expedition to Castle Ravenloft
Complete Mage
November:
Dragonmarked
Cityscape
D&d Minatures Blood War
December:
Fiendish Codex II : Tyrants of the Nine Hells
Needless to say Im not impressed
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| Bocklin |
Posted - 01 Jun 2006 : 14:25:13
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Originally posted by Dargoth
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Originally posted by Bocklin
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Why are you not posting this on the WotC Boards? This would make more sense, me thinks.
Done
A pity that Rich has suddenly become silent on the topic...
Having seen the ToC from the Moonsea book I see that there will be some pages of fluff, but I still have mixed feelings about the book concept.
Bocklin |
| Alaundo |
Posted - 24 May 2006 : 08:15:20
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Originally posted by Bocklin
Sure.
Damn! No FR product for the 4th quarter apart from an adventure... That's not good, no, not good...
Bocklin
PS: Thanks Agsetrion, interesting to read that. I was genuinely wondering, as I had not read the module.
The cheek of some folk!  |
| Bocklin |
Posted - 24 May 2006 : 08:07:48
Sure.
Damn! No FR product for the 4th quarter apart from an adventure... That's not good, no, not good...
Bocklin
PS: Thanks Agsetrion, interesting to read that. I was genuinely wondering, as I had not read the module. |
| Alaundo |
Posted - 23 May 2006 : 23:06:40
Well met
Hmmm, we appear to have veered off this topic on numerous occassions. Can we please get back to the issue at hand. Thank ye  |
| Asgetrion |
Posted - 23 May 2006 : 21:53:10
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Originally posted by mdhprime
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Originally posted by Asgetrion
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Originally posted by Hoondatha
Hey! What's wrong with Four from Cormyr?
Everything - IMHO it's only useful for wiping your *** (which I also do with those Eber-Whatsit "tomes"  )
Woo..harsh!!! I thought it was pretty good. While on the subject of adventures, I for one am glad some more adventure related material (Mysteries, etc.) is getting released.
1) It contained a LOT of info that contradicted with existing Realmslore. Most of it seemed to be from the author's own campaigns, and given the opportunity, he tried to "force-feed" it to FR fans as "new Canon". I just hate that.
2) The contradictory lore was crappy. Period. Whoever gives a damn about a "Lord Thistle" or the Realm of Orva - just to mention two of his great ideas.
3) The modules sucked. A murder mystery involving a doppleganger? I wrote one when I was 13... (and believe me, mine was better than this one).
4) All the maps sucked - big time. But hey, they all did in almost every product that TSR chucked out during its dying process.
Need I say more? |
| mdhprime |
Posted - 23 May 2006 : 16:39:27
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Originally posted by Asgetrion
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Originally posted by Hoondatha
Hey! What's wrong with Four from Cormyr?
Everything - IMHO it's only useful for wiping your *** (which I also do with those Eber-Whatsit "tomes" )
Woo..harsh!!! I thought it was pretty good. While on the subject of adventures, I for one am glad some more adventure related material (Mysteries, etc.) is getting released. |
| Bocklin |
Posted - 23 May 2006 : 10:23:17
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Originally posted by Asgetrion
Everything - IMHO it's only useful for wiping your *** (which I also do with those Eber-Whatsit "tomes" )
How do they call that in the US? "Shooting from the hip"? Anyway... Would you care to elaborate?
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Originally posted by Asgetrion
I used to do this with Dungeon adventures, but their quality has dropped dramatically during the last years
Strange, I have not seen this kind of judgement before. Seems that the posters on the Boards I visit usually think the exact opposite.
The "Far Realm" and Chtuloid things have always been a part of D&D, so it is no surprise that one Lovecraft-inspired module comes out in Dungeon once in a while... Nothing to do with despair.
On the other hand I hear that they are desperate for good FR adventure prposals. So we should all get back to our desk and get our creativity going! If we don't get books from WotC, let's try to have more material published by Paizo!
Bocklin |
| The Sage |
Posted - 23 May 2006 : 01:32:23
And there was once a few "Great Old One" tidbits in an early (very early) DUNGEON as I recall. I think I've got the issue here somewhere...
-- But I think we've diverged from the main topic enough... Let us return eh? .
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| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 23 May 2006 : 01:18:32
I seem to recall some Call of Cthulhu articles in Dragon, too.
And, on a related note... Cowthulhu!
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| Arivia |
Posted - 23 May 2006 : 00:04:43
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Originally posted by Kuje
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Asgetrion
(They must be quite desperate to publish a D&D module featuring a god of the Cthulhu mythos???).
The original Deities & Demigods had the Cthulhu mythos in it.
And there's the d20 Call of Cthulhu RPG.
And there's some stuff in Lords of Madness and possibly Heroes of Horror. |
| Kuje |
Posted - 23 May 2006 : 00:00:53
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Asgetrion
(They must be quite desperate to publish a D&D module featuring a god of the Cthulhu mythos???).
The original Deities & Demigods had the Cthulhu mythos in it.
And there's the d20 Call of Cthulhu RPG. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 22 May 2006 : 23:39:17
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Originally posted by Asgetrion
(They must be quite desperate to publish a D&D module featuring a god of the Cthulhu mythos???).
The original Deities & Demigods had the Cthulhu mythos in it. |
| Asgetrion |
Posted - 22 May 2006 : 21:56:01
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
I'm still keeping an open mind on this. Even if I don't want to use the adventures, I am hoping it will be useful as a sourcebook, and from what the developers have said so far, it will function in that regard as well. I just find it ironic that they seem to be trying to come up with reasons not to do regional sourcebooks.
In the mean time, I will jump on Mysteries of the Moonsea and Dragons of Faerun, and likely whatever the name of the ever changing adventure is near the end of the year. Perhaps this is just a fluke, and for whatever reason, they just don't have four hardcover FR products that will be able to ship this year. I would rather wait than have them throw together one that may not be of high quality.
Now if we get into next year and start seeing two or one instead of three or four, then I'll start getting worried.
I agree with you, Knight. I will certainly purchase these tomes. I have high hopes for both of them, and I am more than intrigued to see if Mysteries of the Moonsea lives up to expectations.
I, for one, have always hoped for a collection of quality "mini-adventures" that I can drop into any campaign if need be. I used to do this with Dungeon adventures, but their quality has dropped dramatically during the last years (They must be quite desperate to publish a D&D module featuring a god of the Cthulhu mythos???). |
| Asgetrion |
Posted - 22 May 2006 : 21:48:42
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Originally posted by Hoondatha
Hey! What's wrong with Four from Cormyr?
Everything - IMHO it's only useful for wiping your *** (which I also do with those Eber-Whatsit "tomes" ) |
| Alaundo |
Posted - 22 May 2006 : 20:42:50
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Originally posted by Lord Rad
I just noticed that Promise of the Witchking (paperback) hasn't been announced at all and isn't in the WotC online product catalog 
Anyone know anything on this? Surely they will release it in paperback? It's usually a year after the hardcover though so i'm slightly worried.
Well met
I've had it confirmed from the Wizards who dwell on the Coast, that the paperback version of Promise of the Witchking will be released this September  |
| Dargoth |
Posted - 20 May 2006 : 00:30:41
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Originally posted by Bocklin
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Why are you not posting this on the WotC Boards? This would make more sense, me thinks.
Done |
| scererar |
Posted - 19 May 2006 : 05:17:50
Bring on the "silo's" I am waiting on Moonsea, the dalelands, Cormyr, and the north/ sword coast regions. until then, I will "park" where I will  My opinion is.. these all just add even more flavor to the great place that many of us call home... at least in our creative minds |
| Brenigin |
Posted - 19 May 2006 : 04:28:36
I also think books like Champions of Ruin/Valor, Dragons of Faerun, etc are a good way to shift crunch out of the regional books, leaving room for adventure material. I think we'll find that Mysteries of the Moonsea doesn't offer a hell of a lot less region info for its page count than what people are calling the "traditional" regional books.
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| Brenigin |
Posted - 19 May 2006 : 04:22:24
Guys, how many campaigns have been built largely on the material in Haunted Halls of Eveningstar, or Halls of the High King? Fast forwarding, in its 32 pages Sons of Gruumsh gives you enough background on Melvaunt to ground a good smaller scope campaign.
I think people are freaking out a bit too soon. The way I see it, we're moving away from the crunch/fluff format of books like Unapproachable East to a kind of fluff-and-crunch in action format - showing, not telling, as it were.
I'm excited about the new format. I've found with some of the regional books - Unapproachable East and Shining South especially - that while I love them, they leave me a bit hollow, like I need something more dynamic from them. |
| KnightErrantJR |
Posted - 18 May 2006 : 23:52:34
I'm still keeping an open mind on this. Even if I don't want to use the adventures, I am hoping it will be useful as a sourcebook, and from what the developers have said so far, it will function in that regard as well. I just find it ironic that they seem to be trying to come up with reasons not to do regional sourcebooks.
In the mean time, I will jump on Mysteries of the Moonsea and Dragons of Faerun, and likely whatever the name of the ever changing adventure is near the end of the year. Perhaps this is just a fluke, and for whatever reason, they just don't have four hardcover FR products that will be able to ship this year. I would rather wait than have them throw together one that may not be of high quality.
Now if we get into next year and start seeing two or one instead of three or four, then I'll start getting worried. |
| BobROE |
Posted - 18 May 2006 : 23:40:57
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Originally posted by Snotlord
I think a regional adventure book sounds rather refreshing, and can't see why some folks seem so upset about it. I am more exited about the Moonsea book than any other FR book since UA, and can't wait to get started on a Moonsea/Nortern Dalelands campaign.
I'm not upset just somewhat concerned that the book wont be much use beyond running the adventures presented in the book. |
| Reefy |
Posted - 18 May 2006 : 23:29:03
Agreed. And as Dargoth points out, if you have more regional sourcebooks, you have more 'silos' to choose from and move between. |
| KnightErrantJR |
Posted - 18 May 2006 : 22:54:13
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Originally posted by Dargoth
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Originally posted by Bocklin
Hi Dargoth,
You might want to check the "ask the FR designers Thread":
http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?p=9177991
Rich and Eric have given some explanations about the WotC's views on regional source books. Not that the answers would satisfy you, but if you want to chime in, it might have more impact.
Bocklin
no its not and its not inspiring much confidence in the 2007 line up for Realms
Im less than impressed with this comment from Rich
"Doing a lot of regional sourcebooks creates exclusive "silos" for people to park their games in--it's like we're creating sub-settings within the larger setting and telling people that they should play there and ignore other products talking about different places"
Well Mr Baker the solution is STOP Ignoring regions of the Realms and put out MORE Regional source books each year not LESS.
Does anyone else find it a bit ironic that the solution to creating "silos" for characters to park in for their whole careers to the exclusion of other regions is to create a regional sourcebook/adventure path type campaign that goes from level 1-18 in the same region? |
| Archwizard |
Posted - 18 May 2006 : 22:40:56
I don't believe the upset is over Mysteries of the Moonsea per se, but that there is no regional sourcebook at all this year and there is no book for the 4th quarter of the year. Trying out new formats is fine and all, but to displace all offers from the traditional format with new, sometimes untried, formats can be unsettling. |
| Snotlord |
Posted - 18 May 2006 : 21:48:14
I think a regional adventure book sounds rather refreshing, and can't see why some folks seem so upset about it. I am more exited about the Moonsea book than any other FR book since UA, and can't wait to get started on a Moonsea/Nortern Dalelands campaign. |
| Hoondatha |
Posted - 18 May 2006 : 20:40:42
Hey! What's wrong with Four from Cormyr? |
| Arivia |
Posted - 18 May 2006 : 19:49:00
We're not dead yet.
From Matt Sernett's bio at the end of this:
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He also contributed work to Tome of Battle, Player's Handbook II, Complete Mage, Complete Scoundrel, and a big project for the Forgotten Realms he can't talk about yet.
EDIT: The notation of Complete Scoundrel and the recent release of February information to Amazon's catalog suggests that's a March 2007 or later release. |
| Eremite |
Posted - 18 May 2006 : 18:24:41
I suppose the main thing is that Rich et al need to be producing products that sell well enough to ensure that we have an FR line in the future.
While I would also like to see more regional sourcebooks (well, Dalelands and the Sword Coast/Western Heartlands), I would rather that decisions were taken to ensure that FR products continue to be published. If that means producing products with crossover potential (such as well-written adventures that aren't tied into a series of novels... unlike City of the Spider Queen), then so be it.
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| Mace Hammerhand |
Posted - 18 May 2006 : 08:54:11
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
Actually, an "adventure sourcebook" in Cormyr, Sembia, and the Dales might be interesting.
Another thought, as long as we are speaking of hypothetical books. Any chance that we might end up getting an "Elves of Faerun" book like "Dragons of Faerun?" It could be used to clear up both the War of the Spider Queen and the Last Mythal loose ends, as well as any changes to Evermeet and Evereska from the events in Evermeet and the ROTAW books.
Anyone remember Four from Cormyr? *shudder*
If they were to produce these adventure books WOTC should make sure to really get it right in terms of flavor. Hell, they could revisit some of the good old Volo-guides just for the fun of it.
Elves of Faerūn would indeed be a very nice book, so would be Dwarves of Faerūn. Races scratches only the surface, and ROTAW and Evermeet did bring some important changes, although I pray the part dealing with Evereska will never never never include the über-armor that was shown in some Dragon issue... |
| Alaundo |
Posted - 18 May 2006 : 07:49:54
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Originally posted by Reefy
I have to say I'm not overly impressed with the news either. At least we got some answers though.
Lord Rad, I had also been wondering that.
Well met
Hmmm, 'tis most odd. It would be the first time that WotC don't follow this trend. I'll see what I can find out... |
