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| Dargoth |
Posted - 13 Jul 2004 : 15:54:31
Hey I remember theres a map in the FR Atlas CDrom of a level of Undermoutain that didnt appear in either of the Undermoutain boxsets or the 3 modules set there. Anyone know where it was published? and if theres any info on the rooms? |
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| ericlboyd |
Posted - 22 Jul 2004 : 01:57:03
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You must have really liked it . That game required quite a bit of patience.
Remember, it was the ONLY computer game in existence.
--Eric |
| The Wanderer |
Posted - 21 Jul 2004 : 22:49:20
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Originally posted by ericlboyd
There was ONE original game, not 3.
That is true. I guess I confused it with "Dungeon" (They do share some similarity ), which was later divided into the Zork series. I think I have a copy of the original "Adventure" (or Advent) as well somewhere around here. I believe there was a dwarf and a wand? 
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Originally posted by ericlboyd
And for the curious, my high score was 349 / 350 ...
You must have really liked it  . That game required quite a bit of patience. |
| ericlboyd |
Posted - 21 Jul 2004 : 21:27:22
OK, you're all dating me. There was ONE original game, not 3.
The ORIGINAL "Adventure" was written for Unix and ran on AT&T Unix systems at least by 1973. I used to play it on my parents' line printer (that was before people had screens, at least in the home) when I was 5 years old.
And for the curious, my high score was 349 / 350 (which I could probably still get today once I mapped the maze again). I could never figure out how to get the damn last point, but I think it had something to do with the magazine you found at Wit's End.
--Eric |
| The Wanderer |
Posted - 21 Jul 2004 : 21:16:41
Aye, that is how I got mine as well. There is also a Linux version, but mastering the eldritch magiks that would allow me to play proved to be more than what I could cope with.
I have to say that I really enjoyed games of that type. I especially appreciated the "controller scheme", since it allowed great flexibilty (and quite a few laughs ). |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 21 Jul 2004 : 20:18:33
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Originally posted by Anubis
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Originally posted by ericlboyd
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Is that fourth feature a maze of twisty little passages, all alike? 
(50 points to those who catch that joke! )
Your joke! I was simply being more obscure, making that exact joke!!!
As for a hint, this old computer game was a real adventure ...
--Eric
Wow... That really takes me back.
It was a very fun game. I even have a working DOS version. I still remember the loads of graphing paper on which I mapped that maze out.
Did you play the original or the smaller episodes?
Quite some time ago, I found a website where you could download all three games for free. So I've got working versions, too.
I also played the first one, way back in 1986, on a TRS-80 (I think that's what it was). |
| The Wanderer |
Posted - 21 Jul 2004 : 19:46:08
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Originally posted by ericlboyd
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Is that fourth feature a maze of twisty little passages, all alike?
(50 points to those who catch that joke! )
Your joke! I was simply being more obscure, making that exact joke!!!
As for a hint, this old computer game was a real adventure ...
--Eric
Wow... That really takes me back.
It was a very fun game. I even have a working DOS version. I still remember the loads of graphing paper on which I mapped that maze out.
Did you play the original or the smaller episodes? |
| ericlboyd |
Posted - 21 Jul 2004 : 18:56:31
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Is that fourth feature a maze of twisty little passages, all alike?
(50 points to those who catch that joke! )
Your joke! I was simply being more obscure, making that exact joke!!!
As for a hint, this old computer game was a real adventure ...
--Eric |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 21 Jul 2004 : 17:41:51
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Okay, my bad. I stand corrected.
I coulda sworn that I had read somewhere that The Lost Level was Level 5, so I had been operating under that assumption since I first saw that map. Further, I thought my Atlas was up to date. I just d/l'ed and installed all three updates, and now I see that it was nowhere close to being up to date!
So, my bad all around. Apologies.
It takes a very secure person to admit when he/she is wrong and to issue an apology with class and dignity.
Thank Eilistraee I've never had to do something like that yet.
Ah, you're so humble, too!
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Is that fourth feature a maze of twisty little passages, all alike?
(50 points to those who catch that joke! )
I'll need a hint here. All looking at the map did for me was create a longing to see what WOTC might do with a new focus on Undermountain.
Think "old computer games" and you may get it.
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Originally posted by Faraer
Only the first three main levels of Undermountain have been published, the rest are all sublevels. I don't know why that random map of Jay Cox's was labelled as Undermountain level 5.
As I recall, Erik Davis says something very interesting on the twisty turny passages in Techgnosis.
Prolly to drum up interest in the Atlas...
Techgnosis? I am not familiar with this. Vas is? |
| Faraer |
Posted - 21 Jul 2004 : 17:03:37
Only the first three main levels of Undermountain have been published, the rest are all sublevels. I don't know why that random map of Jay Cox's was labelled as Undermountain level 5.
As I recall, Erik Davis says something very interesting on the twisty turny passages in Techgnosis. |
| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 21 Jul 2004 : 16:48:05
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Okay, my bad. I stand corrected.
I coulda sworn that I had read somewhere that The Lost Level was Level 5, so I had been operating under that assumption since I first saw that map. Further, I thought my Atlas was up to date. I just d/l'ed and installed all three updates, and now I see that it was nowhere close to being up to date!
So, my bad all around. Apologies.
It takes a very secure person to admit when he/she is wrong and to issue an apology with class and dignity.
Thank Eilistraee I've never had to do something like that yet.
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Is that fourth feature a maze of twisty little passages, all alike?
(50 points to those who catch that joke! )
I'll need a hint here. All looking at the map did for me was create a longing to see what WOTC might do with a new focus on Undermountain. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 21 Jul 2004 : 16:07:01
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Originally posted by Arnwyn
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You are incorrect. Reference my earlier post in this scroll -- the level is fully detailed in the module Undermountain: The Lost Level.
No, I am most certainly correct. I did "refence your earlier post in this scroll" - and you seem to have missed what the original poster said. The FR Atlas CD-ROM includes all of Undermountain Level 5 - a fairly large level that *only* appeared in the CD-ROM, and not in any other published work.
(You are correct that the maps that appeared in the 3 Undermountain "Dungeon Crawl" series, including The Lost Level, did appear in the CD-ROM as well - but if we're talking about an entire Level of Undermountain that did *NOT* appear in the UMT box sets or the 3 modules set there - as specifically noted by the original poster - then it's Level 5, and it only appeared in the CD-ROM.)
Okay, my bad. I stand corrected.
I coulda sworn that I had read somewhere that The Lost Level was Level 5, so I had been operating under that assumption since I first saw that map. Further, I thought my Atlas was up to date. I just d/l'ed and installed all three updates, and now I see that it was nowhere close to being up to date!
So, my bad all around. Apologies.
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Originally posted by ericlboyd
If you have the Atlas, put "Undermountain" in the Keyword Search field, and then select the map with Level 5 in the name.
This level has 4 unique features (going from memory as I don't have it on this machine):
1) A river named something other than "Sargauth"
2) An abandoned dwarven redoubt
3) An abandoned drow redoubt
4) A maze of twisty little passages.
--Eric
Is that fourth feature a maze of twisty little passages, all alike?
(50 points to those who catch that joke! ) |
| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 20 Jul 2004 : 04:12:53
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Originally posted by Steven Schend
Did I ever mention, Sirius, that there's a corridor somewheres in Undermountain that Halaster uses as a spellbook, runes carved into the walls and floor and ceiling as 12 foot high pages?
No, but now you have. Of course, knowing Halaster, I don't supporse I should be too surprised by this bit of information.
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Of course, there's a smattering of exploding runes among them, so read carefully
What's reading some new lore unless there are a few traps?
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(but whatever you do, don't follow the bouncing ball, as that's a rather nasty and mischievous nyth who's learned a thing or two from the former Hilather, master of the 4th Imaskarcana).
Undermountain. If you don't like something, wait a minute, and some trap will be sprung that will change the situation.
Thanks for the bit of knowledge. |
| Steven Schend |
Posted - 20 Jul 2004 : 03:24:03
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
SiriusBlack (Always eager for any new Undermountain information)
Did I ever mention, Sirius, that there's a corridor somewheres in Undermountain that Halaster uses as a spellbook, runes carved into the walls and floor and ceiling as 12 foot high pages? Of course, there's a smattering of exploding runes among them, so read carefully (but whatever you do, don't follow the bouncing ball, as that's a rather nasty and mischievous nyth who's learned a thing or two from the former Hilather, master of the 4th Imaskarcana).
Steven |
| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 19 Jul 2004 : 15:10:39
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Originally posted by ericlboyd
If you have the Atlas, put "Undermountain" in the Keyword Search field, and then select the map with Level 5 in the name.--Eric
Thanks EB for the directions. My player with the Atlas was able to print out a copy of this level for my personal viewing thanks to your steps.
SiriusBlack (Always eager for any new Undermountain information) |
| martynq |
Posted - 19 Jul 2004 : 14:31:13
I agree with Arnwyn & Eric.
Martyn |
| ericlboyd |
Posted - 18 Jul 2004 : 22:16:40
If you have the Atlas, put "Undermountain" in the Keyword Search field, and then select the map with Level 5 in the name.
This level has 4 unique features (going from memory as I don't have it on this machine):
1) A river named something other than "Sargauth"
2) An abandoned dwarven redoubt
3) An abandoned drow redoubt
4) A maze of twisty little passages.
--Eric |
| Arnwyn |
Posted - 18 Jul 2004 : 20:55:59
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You are incorrect. Reference my earlier post in this scroll -- the level is fully detailed in the module Undermountain: The Lost Level.
No, I am most certainly correct. I did "refence your earlier post in this scroll" - and you seem to have missed what the original poster said. The FR Atlas CD-ROM includes all of Undermountain Level 5 - a fairly large level that *only* appeared in the CD-ROM, and not in any other published work.
(You are correct that the maps that appeared in the 3 Undermountain "Dungeon Crawl" series, including The Lost Level, did appear in the CD-ROM as well - but if we're talking about an entire Level of Undermountain that did *NOT* appear in the UMT box sets or the 3 modules set there - as specifically noted by the original poster - then it's Level 5, and it only appeared in the CD-ROM.) |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 18 Jul 2004 : 00:10:39
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Originally posted by Arnwyn
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Originally posted by Dargoth
Hey I remember theres a map in the FR Atlas CDrom of a level of Undermoutain that didnt appear in either of the Undermoutain boxsets or the 3 modules set there. Anyone know where it was published? and if theres any info on the rooms?
It's not an "unknown" level - it's Undermountain Level 5. It wasn't published anywhere else except in the FR Atlas CD-ROM.
There is no info on any of the rooms whatsoever - it is completely blank for the DM to fill in.
You are incorrect. Reference my earlier post in this scroll -- the level is fully detailed in the module Undermountain: The Lost Level. |
| Arnwyn |
Posted - 17 Jul 2004 : 22:35:07
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Originally posted by Dargoth
Hey I remember theres a map in the FR Atlas CDrom of a level of Undermoutain that didnt appear in either of the Undermoutain boxsets or the 3 modules set there. Anyone know where it was published? and if theres any info on the rooms?
It's not an "unknown" level - it's Undermountain Level 5. It wasn't published anywhere else except in the FR Atlas CD-ROM.
There is no info on any of the rooms whatsoever - it is completely blank for the DM to fill in. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 16 Jul 2004 : 15:38:12
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
IIRC, closer to $50, usually.
Interesting and thank you. The price makes sense as I found more than a couple of sites I thought would have the FR Atlas CD listing it as no longer available.
I'm more than a bit surprised that anyone still has it for sale, really... The thing has been OOP for years. The program came out in 1999, so that's a long time for the CDs to have been sitting around, unsold. |
| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 16 Jul 2004 : 14:23:45
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
IIRC, closer to $50, usually.
Interesting and thank you. The price makes sense as I found more than a couple of sites I thought would have the FR Atlas CD listing it as no longer available. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 16 Jul 2004 : 07:16:00
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
That's actually a reasonable price... If I had the extra money, I'd snag one or two and put them up on eBay!
Ah capitalism, I love it.
What's the going rate when you see them on Ebay for auction?
IIRC, closer to $50, usually. |
| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 16 Jul 2004 : 06:58:55
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
That's actually a reasonable price... If I had the extra money, I'd snag one or two and put them up on eBay!
Ah capitalism, I love it.
What's the going rate when you see them on Ebay for auction? |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 16 Jul 2004 : 06:14:55
That's actually a reasonable price... If I had the extra money, I'd snag one or two and put them up on eBay! |
| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 16 Jul 2004 : 03:29:08
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Originally posted by brjr2001
anyone know what it costs
Here's some information on the Atlas' pricing and availability. |
| brjr2001 |
Posted - 15 Jul 2004 : 23:14:32
anyone know what it costs |
| hammer of Moradin |
Posted - 15 Jul 2004 : 17:03:36
I guess I need to pull out my CD. Thanks Dargoth! |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 13 Jul 2004 : 17:50:08
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I've seen the Atlas pop up several times on eBay, but if you go that route, be prepared to pay through the nose for it.
And make sure all those updates are still available.
I believe they're still available on the WotC website. |
| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 13 Jul 2004 : 16:29:14
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I've seen the Atlas pop up several times on eBay, but if you go that route, be prepared to pay through the nose for it.
And make sure all those updates are still available. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 13 Jul 2004 : 16:24:53
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Originally posted by Arion Elenim
Where did you get the Atlas from? I assume it's 2nd ed...was it carried in wide retail or only in selective stores?
I got mine directly from TSR. I'd ordered from their Mail Order side a few times, so when they were moving the last bit of stock on the Interactive Atlases, they sent me a flyer. It was like half off... That's also how I got the Dragon Magazine Archive CD-ROMs. I wish now that I'd grabbed a couple extra ones! 
I've seen the Atlas pop up several times on eBay, but if you go that route, be prepared to pay through the nose for it. |
