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Hawkins Posted - 11 Jan 2008 : 02:46:53
Grand History of the Realms: The Moonshaes
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Marc Posted - 24 Aug 2011 : 07:15:13
I couldn't see this article being a player in a Moonshae isles campaign, it is spectacular.
The Sage Posted - 22 Aug 2011 : 15:34:28
You know, it may come as a surprise for some, but I was just thinking about this article the other day.
Matt James Posted - 22 Aug 2011 : 15:21:49
All is sorted. You guys may or may not be in for a treat.
Kno Posted - 25 May 2011 : 12:05:41
works for me

do you know who did the artwork?
Tyranthraxus Posted - 25 May 2011 : 08:00:15
Hmm... Strange, it worked for me. Did you copy+paste both URLs (without any space) in your browsers address bar?

If that doesn't work I, or some other scribe, could send you the file.
Matt James Posted - 24 May 2011 : 22:00:55
No Bueno. Doesn't come up.
Tyranthraxus Posted - 23 May 2011 : 09:02:04
Have you tried the Wayback Machine?

http://web.archive.org/web/20090601214206/http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/drfe/20080110
Matt James Posted - 23 May 2011 : 03:18:45
I did ask him, but he is a turd and never gave it to me. If you see him, let him know.
Brian R. James Posted - 19 May 2011 : 21:27:14
I'm sure if you ask your brother, he likely has a copy he could share.
quote:
Originally posted by Matt James

Also, if one were to find Brian's original article from January of 2008, where might one look?
Matt James Posted - 19 May 2011 : 02:49:00
Also, if one were to find Brian's original article from January of 2008, where might one look?

*wink* Damn... I really need to get this eye checked out.
Matt James Posted - 19 May 2011 : 02:37:25
There may be hope, yet.

Edit: *wink* something is in my eye.
Ayunken-vanzan Posted - 18 Jan 2008 : 06:56:51
That cements the gap between the old Realms and the new ones. No one has to bother with old lore of the last 30000 years if he want to join a Realms game, because the current lands are a whole different beast.
But of course a DM can reintroduce old lore if the adventures explore the remains of the past. But he needn’t to do so immediately since the new setting is self-contained.
Markustay Posted - 18 Jan 2008 : 06:30:22
Well, considering Rich Baker wrote this -

quote:
From Year of the Ageless One
No one will ever be able to create a comprehensive chronology of where and when each outbreak struck, or how each town and city fared through the chaos of the Plague Years.


It seems he's pretty much covered the bases, and plain, flat-out told us there isn't going to be any sort of timeline.

Nice and open-ended, so that the designers don't have to be bothered anymore with knowing past lore.

After quoting that, it makes me wonder who the 'Ageless One' is? Elminster?
Brian R. James Posted - 15 Jan 2008 : 14:35:34
quote:
Originally posted by ajfurst

Are you able to able at all to fill in any 'history' for the years between 1374/1375 and 1479 for the Moonshaes?
Though I have no plans to do so at the current time, I would really welcome the opportunity to fill in some of the history for all the Realms during those years.
ajfurst Posted - 15 Jan 2008 : 06:04:48
The Darkwalker books were my introduction the Realms, so I've always had a soft spot for the Moonshaes. So this was brilliant.

I have one question though Brian. Are you able to able at all to fill in any 'history' for the years between 1374/1375 and 1479 for the Moonshaes? If not now, then when the new FR version is released? The Grand History of the Realms is brilliant, and having it updated (so to speak) to cover 'the missing years' would allay a lot of my concerns about the 'old' and 'new' realms being linked lightly at best.
Chosen of Moradin Posted - 15 Jan 2008 : 02:32:32
Brian, you... you... you...

Damn!!!! Now, I think that I finally will start something in the Moonshaes.

Great job, Brian.
Brian R. James Posted - 15 Jan 2008 : 02:16:06
quote:
Originally posted by Purple Dragon Knight

So the fey creator race was the LeShay? if so, cool; if not, please correct me.
Yes. This was loosely established in the novel Darkvision.
quote:

Also, when you say "designated as a full plane," is this an Outer plane part of the Tree cosmology or an alternate prime?
The Feywild is part of the 4E realms cosmology. Though it now has more prominence, it has technically always been there since the plane of Faerie has long been tied to the lore of the Realms.
Brian R. James Posted - 15 Jan 2008 : 02:05:19
I have no doubt that I was contacted in part because of the great support I have here at Candlekeep. So I really do owe each and every one of you a giant THANK YOU!
KnightErrantJR Posted - 15 Jan 2008 : 00:51:11
One way or the other, I'm happy for the Brian's good fortune.
The Hooded One Posted - 15 Jan 2008 : 00:49:51
I'm thinking Brian got called in when Ed's dad died and he started blowing deadlines. They would have called Brian because of his superb work on Grand History; it'd be Brian or George Krashos, and NDAs are relatively easy to enforce in the USA, and hard to enforce as far off as Australia (different legal wording needed).
So originally he wasn't, but then he was. And scribes' suggestions might have helped, yes. (I haven't asked Ed about this because I know he'd consider his NDA forbids him to say anything.)
Just a guess, but . . .
love,
THO
Hawkins Posted - 14 Jan 2008 : 23:23:03
quote:
Originally posted by KnightErrantJR

I'm confused . . . I thought he was working on the design team, especially since he posted this to the "Countdown" thread:
quote:
Waterdeep and the Dalelands were actually my assignments. I asked for and received the Moonshaes as well. My work on Waterdeep consisted primarily of distilling Ed's massive 100 page 50,000 word document on Waterdeep (circa 1479) down to 6 pages. Not an easy task at all but one I was more than happy to undertake.


I checked and could not find that quote on the Countdown thread. Anyways, when I suggested that way back in like September, Rich never gave me any answer which I took to be ignoring my suggestion. Yay for Brian!
KnightErrantJR Posted - 14 Jan 2008 : 23:09:06
I'm confused . . . I thought he was working on the design team, especially since he posted this to the "Countdown" thread:

quote:
Waterdeep and the Dalelands were actually my assignments. I asked for and received the Moonshaes as well. My work on Waterdeep consisted primarily of distilling Ed's massive 100 page 50,000 word document on Waterdeep (circa 1479) down to 6 pages. Not an easy task at all but one I was more than happy to undertake.
Hawkins Posted - 14 Jan 2008 : 19:56:58
quote:
Originally posted by Asgetrion

Well met, Brian!

Simply an amazing article... top-notch stuff, and it's amazing how well you wove those 4E bits into the whole. You know, I'm so speechless that I have no other questions but this: why the hell did they not include *you* in the 4E FR Design Team? Or, rather: why did they not just hire you and Ed to take care of it all?

I flat out told Rich Baker on the WotC forums that they needed to put Brian on the 4e Realms design team. Yet another logical conclusion treated with illogic by WotC.
Asgetrion Posted - 14 Jan 2008 : 19:03:07
Well met, Brian!

Simply an amazing article... top-notch stuff, and it's amazing how well you wove those 4E bits into the whole. You know, I'm so speechless that I have no other questions but this: why the hell did they not include *you* in the 4E FR Design Team? Or, rather: why did they not just hire you and Ed to take care of it all?

Reefy Posted - 13 Jan 2008 : 14:56:26
quote:
Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin

I can't say I'm too happy to see "LeShay" mainly because, as I mentioned before, I can't stand the word "LeShay".



I'm with you all the way on that one, it sounds like a Franco-Irish Bond villain to me.
freyar Posted - 13 Jan 2008 : 14:39:43
quote:
Originally posted by Purple Dragon Knight


Also, when you say "designated as a full plane," is this an Outer plane part of the Tree cosmology or an alternate prime?



PDK, 4e cosmology, which 4e FR is supposed to use (can't remember exactly where I heard that on EN World), is much less structured than either the Great Wheel or Great Tree. Here's
what we have from WotC.
If you take a look on EN World, you should be able to find more info from WotC designer blogs.
Purple Dragon Knight Posted - 13 Jan 2008 : 03:07:18
quote:
Originally posted by Brian R. James

The Feywild is simply the plane of Faerie renamed in 4E. In the past there was a possibility that Faerie might be another world in the Prime, but it's now been officially designated as a full Plane. Faerie had quite a bit of lore ties with the Forgotten Realms and they are strengthened in 4E. This is home of the fey Creator Race rules and the realm where the first elves were brought to Faerūn.

So the fey creator race was the LeShay? if so, cool; if not, please correct me.

Also, when you say "designated as a full plane," is this an Outer plane part of the Tree cosmology or an alternate prime?

Cheers!
Purple Dragon Knight Posted - 13 Jan 2008 : 03:04:00
quote:
Originally posted by Daniel of the North

Too bad im having such a hard time registering on Gleemax and wont be able to see this.

I PDF'ed the whole article for my files on Friday. If Brian does not mind, I could send the file to you directly or through him, or post it somewhere at the Keep (I'm not a copyright expert so I'll wait for the good advice of Brian or Alaundo on this)
Jorkens Posted - 12 Jan 2008 : 17:12:36
Great article. A strengthening of the ties to faerie is one of the new developments I actually like and that fits my version of the Realms.
Brian R. James Posted - 12 Jan 2008 : 17:06:48
The Feywild is simply the plane of Faerie renamed in 4E. In the past there was a possibility that Faerie might be another world in the Prime, but it's now been officially designated as a full Plane. Faerie had quite a bit of lore ties with the Forgotten Realms and they are strengthened in 4E. This is home of the fey Creator Race rules and the realm where the first elves were brought to Faerūn.

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