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| Alaundo |
Posted - 02 Sep 2006 : 17:54:33
Well met
This is a Book Club thread for Lies of Light, book 2 of The Watercourse Trilogy, by Philip Athans. Please discuss chapters 34-44 herein: |
| 6 L A T E S T R E P L I E S (Newest First) |
| Dennis |
Posted - 12 Jan 2011 : 18:47:04
It's difficult to like what's happening without liking the characters, as the characters themselves are the movers/cause of whatever's happening. This series has always been in my list of least liked books. |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 15 Jan 2007 : 21:54:36
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
One of the points I reached in this series was that I enjoyed it much more once I could convince myself that I didn't have to like the protagonists, or even always want them to succeed, I just had to be interested in what was going to happen to them, even if, at times, its almost like watching a train wreck.
I don't mean that in a bad way, I honestly think that this whole series has been set up that way, with a lot of really bad decisions drawing you from scene to scene.
Good point. Trouble is, I'd enjoy this novel (and series) more if I could convince myself that what certain characters do don't have to make sense. Sadly, I cannot, and do not want to, get to that point. |
| KnightErrantJR |
Posted - 15 Jan 2007 : 21:20:56
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
For example, Athans didn't need to make him a "warrior savant", as you sometimes put it--
Hm, maybe I could copyright that term . . .  |
| KnightErrantJR |
Posted - 15 Jan 2007 : 21:19:35
One of the points I reached in this series was that I enjoyed it much more once I could convince myself that I didn't have to like the protagonists, or even always want them to succeed, I just had to be interested in what was going to happen to them, even if, at times, its almost like watching a train wreck.
I don't mean that in a bad way, I honestly think that this whole series has been set up that way, with a lot of really bad decisions drawing you from scene to scene. |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 15 Jan 2007 : 20:07:18
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
They are actually more alike than I first thought. I still think that if they gained some traits from the other, they might be better off. As it is, while both are interesting, neither is really a complete person.
A very insightful point, and one I am definitely inclined to agree with.
I wouldn't say Ivar is truly flawed though (except in the sense that he doesn't seem like a complete human). I'd find him a lot more interesting if he had some actual (real) human flaws. For example, Athans didn't need to make him a "warrior savant", as you sometimes put it--someone can be a genius at architechture and still run away screaming in fright when a monster shows up to try to kill him. |
| KnightErrantJR |
Posted - 08 Oct 2006 : 01:43:49
Interesting to see that one of the senators is on the Zhentarim payroll, and she is the link to the banelar attack. I also liked the discussion on human thought between the alchemist and Hrothgar.
The speech that the new Ransar gives is interesting, especially given that he throws in Mask and his wisdom. I do like how he doesn't just worship these gods, but takes on aspects of their worship, i.e. when he was a Shar worshiper, he kept it secret. The "trial" of Ivar was an interesting thing and it brings to mind some things about the characters we have been following.
At first I was thinking of Ivar and Willem as opposites, but they really aren't. Willem doesn't really fight for what he really wants, and Ivar doesn't fight until he is pressed into a corner, even when he can see that he is being set upon. They are actually more alike than I first thought. I still think that if they gained some traits from the other, they might be better off. As it is, while both are interesting, neither is really a complete person. Ivar has a hard time showing passion and focusing on anything other than his work, and Willem will throw away everything on his passion, and has no problem with promoting himself even when it has nothing to do with his actual skill or talent.
While Ivar is more sympathetic, he is still flawed, and it makes for an interesting contrast to Willem and some of the other characters.
And finally, Pristoleph returns to the story. He had such a major build up in the begining of the first book, then just kind of dropped out as a factor until now. Interesting to see him back. |
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