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| KnightErrantJR |
Posted - 25 Jun 2007 : 22:53:22
Dragon 357 has the "Ecology of the Titan" article in it, and part of the origin that they have spun for D&D titans is that they were the favored children of the gods, and they decided to create their own children, the giants, and when they wanted the giants to worship them as gods, the war between the Titans and the Gods began.
Somewhere I have an itch in my brain that wants to tie this all into Realmslore on giants, or even just D&D lore on giants. Could Annam have been one of the titans that remained loyal to the gods, and the gods rewarded him with stewardship over the giants? Perhaps then Othea is only a greater titan, but her children ended up as gods.
Could Vaprak have been a titan that remained loyal to the gods (doesn't fit his normal personality, I know) but was later corrupted, or was corrupted but had an ulterior motive for siding with the gods? Or perhaps he was a banished titan that won his freedom somehow (which would explain why the other giant gods look down on him).
At any rate, I'd love to hear some other scribes chiming in on this article if they are so inclined. |
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| sleyvas |
Posted - 11 Jul 2007 : 16:49:18
Oh, also Vaprak is mentioned as another person that slept with Othea behind Annam's back. His seed produced the ogres. Whether he and Othea produced the trolls (or whether Vaprak slept with some other being to produce the trolls... more likely) is up in the air. |
| sleyvas |
Posted - 11 Jul 2007 : 16:34:53
There's some truth behind a clash between the titans and the gods in the realms, but its a little different. What we do know of the titans is that they had a kingdom down near the eastern shaar. They pissed off the gods, who inflicted them with curiosity. The gods then dropped a star upon Faerun (which later became the sea of fallen stars). The star started rolling south, and the titans followed it until it fell into the sea (where this star ended up would be interesting to note, btw). The titans followed it into the sea "and weren't seen again".
Then there's some more information in Powers & Pantheons under the entry for Ulutiu. When Annam (the all-father of giants) found out about Ulutiu (a lesser sea god) and Othea (the mother of giants and giant-kin) making children behind his back, Ulutiu made an agreement to cast himself into the ocean with a necklace that froze him in the center of a block of ice (forming the great glacier and destroying Ostoria). Othea then negotiated for Annam to go into exile for an indefinite period, and she was secretly hoping to free Ulutiu. HOWEVER, she was "poisoned by her eldest son Lanaxis, progenitor of the titan race, who sought to reverse the ever expanding tide of the great glacier by taking Ulutiu's necklace, but he was forbidden by Othea from venturing onto the ice".
The interesting part I see here is that Ulutiu was a sea god who would have been an enemy of the progenitor of the titan race (Lanexis). Then a star falls that creates a huge sea, and then all the titans chase the star into the great sea. Lots of sea references. |
| KnightErrantJR |
Posted - 11 Jul 2007 : 11:24:16
I did find that a little strange, especially when "Well of Darkness" made pretty clear references to Echidna and the Olympian Pantheon, and if you try to insert this into the mix, it kind of muddies the water. Plus, I'm not 100% up on my Greyhawk lore, but like the myth at the beginning of the Fiendish Codex II, I don't think that all of the gods of Oerth were old enough to be around when some of this happened. |
| Shemmy |
Posted - 11 Jul 2007 : 06:21:29
The article struck me as odd in the sense that it had a bizarre flip-flop regarding the titans of Carceri. It had them leading a rebellion against gods, when their whole thing is that they were deposed by their own deific children who came to comprise the Greek pantheon. That backstory is largely missing from the article except for a mention of Cronus killing Uranus, in favor of a heavy role by various members of the Grayhawk pantheon in their downfall (which strikes me as bizarre to say the least).
Word count restrictions are probably partially to blame, but it still clashes oddly in places with the larger body of lore so far as the greater titans are concerned. |
| KnightErrantJR |
Posted - 09 Jul 2007 : 04:45:47
I think part of it might be the fact that they actually did tie titans to giants, which, given that titans are outsiders in the current D&D parlance, there didn't have to be a connection. I've had some ideas on converting this over for some "Realmsification," but every time I start it, it gets really clunky and deep really fast, and it doesn't feel quite as logical as I would like it too. |
| Xysma |
Posted - 09 Jul 2007 : 04:09:56
When I read this article it brought to mind elements from the Twilight Giants trilogy. It's been awhile since I read that series, so I can't really pinpoint why I felt that way, but I did resolve to dig back into those books. |
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