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| Dargoth |
Posted - 13 Sep 2004 : 10:16:09
Septembers whats coming up article featured several feats from Libris Mortis
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/iw/20040912b&page=5
City of the Spider queen is going to be a living (or should that be Unliving) hell when my Players do it in November  |
| 30 L A T E S T R E P L I E S (Newest First) |
| Xysma |
Posted - 05 Aug 2005 : 06:02:16
quote:
Originally posted by CrennenFaerieBane
This book is wacky is one respect though - I don't think there should be PC classes for undead like wights and mohrgs... That just doesn't make sense to me. I mean, they generally are driven by their hunger, but they have time to go off and learn the skills for a class? Nah, I don't buy it. Other than that, the book is awesome.
C-Fb
I see your point, but I have been rather fascinated with the concept of undead PCs since the Emancipated Spawn PrC from Savage Species. I think an undead PC could offer some interesting roleplaying opportunities. |
| Kajehase |
Posted - 04 Aug 2005 : 09:59:37
quote:
Originally posted by Skarmarl
that doesn't make any sense:
"I am a 1.st. level wizard and I now summon this 8hd skeleton that has 4 attacks..."???
Um... so which Medium-skeleton would get 8HD? If you look at the various skeletons in the Monster Manual, only half of the Large ones get that many Hit Dice. Remember that it's just an animated skeleton you summon, so it doesn't get any of its original owner's class levels. |
| warlockco |
Posted - 04 Aug 2005 : 08:19:42
quote:
Originally posted by CrennenFaerieBane
This book is wacky is one respect though - I don't think there should be PC classes for undead like wights and mohrgs... That just doesn't make sense to me. I mean, they generally are driven by their hunger, but they have time to go off and learn the skills for a class? Nah, I don't buy it. Other than that, the book is awesome.
C-Fb
They can just be exceptional members, ones that were so driven they retained their awareness of self.
Also in The Realms there is a Mohrg with class levels.
Lost Empires of Faerun, Kelthas the Dread (CE Male Human Mohrg Necromancer 10) who first appeared in the the module N5 Under Illefarn, was killed by adventurers over a decade ago but has came back as a Mohrg to plague the dwarves.
Edit: Had Under Illefarn incorrectly listed as N4. |
| Crennen FaerieBane |
Posted - 03 Aug 2005 : 20:10:04
This book is wacky is one respect though - I don't think there should be PC classes for undead like wights and mohrgs... That just doesn't make sense to me. I mean, they generally are driven by their hunger, but they have time to go off and learn the skills for a class? Nah, I don't buy it. Other than that, the book is awesome.
C-Fb |
| Skarmarl |
Posted - 03 Aug 2005 : 18:59:31
that doesn't make any sense:
"I am a 1.st. level wizard and I now summon this 8hd skeleton that has 4 attacks..."??? |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 02 Aug 2005 : 17:25:08
quote:
Originally posted by Kajehase
According to the table for the spell in Player's Guide to Faerūn (it first appeared in Magic of Faerūn), you can summon a Medium skeleton, so the skeleton of any Medium-sized creature should be allowed (at least that's how I interpret it).
That works for me... |
| Kajehase |
Posted - 02 Aug 2005 : 13:39:44
According to the table for the spell in Player's Guide to Faerūn (it first appeared in Magic of Faerūn), you can summon a Medium skeleton, so the skeleton of any Medium-sized creature should be allowed (at least that's how I interpret it). |
| Skarmarl |
Posted - 02 Aug 2005 : 11:33:25
I've got a question for the Libris mortis book.
The new spell "Summon undead I" allows me to summon a small zombie or an medium skeleton. BUT that kind of skeleton. Is it an badger, an elf, a dwarf or what??? van I pick my own choice, for instance a horse skeleton???? |
| elven_songstress |
Posted - 06 Apr 2005 : 06:54:35
Ok I just recently got this book and I love it, so much to play with within its pages.Also the ghost bard can be finally recreated. *loL*
I found that I rather liked Evening Glory as far as gods went. The Feats were pretty darn good too. |
| warlockco |
Posted - 12 Jan 2005 : 17:39:20
quote:
Originally posted by Dargoth
quote:
Originally posted by warlockco
quote:
Originally posted by Dargoth
The problem with undead gods is that they dont really work in the FR
A god needs to have worshipers to power itself however most undead have no souls or by the time they rise as undead their souls have already passed on to what plane the god they worship as mortals lived
Unless it has been changed, Undead do have "Souls/Spirits" because while a person's corpse is animated you are unable to contact their "Soul/Spirit" in the afterlife.
Especially in the case of Undead like Liches, Vampires, and Death Knights.
Liches are the exception as they enter undeath willingly
However the soul of a person slain and raised as undead is not faithful to a god of undead creatures
Bob the cleric of lathander is killed by Vampire and his corps rises as a Vampire. Bobs soul isnt loyal to whoever the god of vampires is Bobs soul either goes straight to Lathanders realm or goes there when the Vampire in Bobs body is finally slain. Either way Bobs soul is not drawn to the god of Undead.
As for Liches, there wouldnt be enough Liches in the FR to support a god of Liches and most liches view themselves as being above the concern of gods so they wouldnt worship him anyway
Hmm, I think I miss read your first post. Wasn't trying to endore undead gods, was just trying to point out that undead do have "souls/spirits." |
| Dargoth |
Posted - 12 Jan 2005 : 05:43:24
quote:
Originally posted by warlockco
quote:
Originally posted by Dargoth
The problem with undead gods is that they dont really work in the FR
A god needs to have worshipers to power itself however most undead have no souls or by the time they rise as undead their souls have already passed on to what plane the god they worship as mortals lived
Unless it has been changed, Undead do have "Souls/Spirits" because while a person's corpse is animated you are unable to contact their "Soul/Spirit" in the afterlife.
Especially in the case of Undead like Liches, Vampires, and Death Knights.
Liches are the exception as they enter undeath willingly
However the soul of a person slain and raised as undead is not faithful to a god of undead creatures
Bob the cleric of lathander is killed by Vampire and his corps rises as a Vampire. Bobs soul isnt loyal to whoever the god of vampires is Bobs soul either goes straight to Lathanders realm or goes there when the Vampire in Bobs body is finally slain. Either way Bobs soul is not drawn to the god of Undead.
As for Liches, there wouldnt be enough Liches in the FR to support a god of Liches and most liches view themselves as being above the concern of gods so they wouldnt worship him anyway |
| Bookwyrm |
Posted - 12 Jan 2005 : 05:06:38
Which almost means that an 'undeath' god is required . . . with that extra 'soul power' just floating around somewhere, someone would have done something with it. Myrkul works up until his death, at which point lesser servants of his probably fled Cyric, and then those left over from that fled Kelemvor. Someone probably took some secrets, and could raise himself to at least demigod level; undeath is a completely unclaimed portfolio now, so Ao shouldn't mind.
And it provides a reason for undead hordes to be popping up all over the place.  The more undead, the more powerful this new deity is. It could even end up like the religion of the Blood of Vol in Eberron, where the common populace believes that true death is the real evil, and that being able to stay in your own world is better than being "taken" to some plane. This new god, then, would be seen as benevolent, because he doesn't want to force people to accept death and take them away like the other gods. Instead, he'd raise the worthy to be vampires, liches, and other intelligent undead.
Of course, he'd have to stay under cover. Kelemvor would hunt him down in a second if he showed himself. Could be a good excuse to have a wide-scale inquisition, though.  |
| warlockco |
Posted - 11 Jan 2005 : 18:55:00
quote:
Originally posted by Dargoth
The problem with undead gods is that they dont really work in the FR
A god needs to have worshipers to power itself however most undead have no souls or by the time they rise as undead their souls have already passed on to what plane the god they worship as mortals lived
Unless it has been changed, Undead do have "Souls/Spirits" because while a person's corpse is animated you are unable to contact their "Soul/Spirit" in the afterlife.
Especially in the case of Undead like Liches, Vampires, and Death Knights. |
| Dargoth |
Posted - 11 Jan 2005 : 14:31:10
The problem with undead gods is that they dont really work in the FR
A god needs to have worshipers to power itself however most undead have no souls or by the time they rise as undead their souls have already passed on to what plane the god they worship as mortals lived |
| Lady Kazandra |
Posted - 11 Jan 2005 : 14:10:12
quote:
Originally posted by Ardashir
That sounds about right. Though Doresain could've gone rogue when Orcus got killed (that still did happen, right?), ad now faces troubles with an angry Lord of the Undead wanting to bring him back into the fold.
Which just gives Dresain and his priests all the more reason to join forces with Kiaransalee...
It did. He's back now of course, and re-establishing himself in his former places of power. Besides, Doresain has made moves against Orcus in the past . . .
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| Ardashir |
Posted - 10 Jan 2005 : 17:18:14
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Originally posted by Dargoth
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[i]Also, how could one fit Doresain into the Realms? They've kinda got enough evil/death gods; though as a big Clark Ashton Smith fan, I've always had a soft spot for ravening ghouls. And his Hunger domain is so utterly repulsive I love it!
As for the Undead gods
You could say that they where all little known Demi Powers pre time of Troubles who served Mykrul and theyve now started asserting themselves now that their patrons "dead"
That sounds about right. Though Doresain could've gone rogue when Orcus got killed (that still did happen, right?), ad now faces troubles with an angry Lord of the Undead wanting to bring him back into the fold.
Which just gives Dresain and his priests all the more reason to join forces with Kiaransalee... |
| Dargoth |
Posted - 09 Jan 2005 : 12:30:14
quote:
Originally posted by Ardashir
Anyone have any ideas on just which religions/power groups in the Realms would get the most use out of the LM material? I see the anti-undead stuff as being natural for the churches of Kelemvor and Lathander. The nastier stuff would go great for the Cult of the Dragon (they've got a lot of necromancers, as I recall), the Cult of the White Banshee, and the followers of Velsharoon. Indeed, I see the True Necromancer as being the specialist priest of his church.
Also, how could one fit Doresain into the Realms? They've kinda got enough evil/death gods; though as a big Clark Ashton Smith fan, I've always had a soft spot for ravening ghouls. And his Hunger domain is so utterly repulsive I love it!
Lastly -- is it just me, or are the varied Necrotic Cyst spells some of the foulest magic ever seen in a D&D book?
Other groups
Horned Harbringers
Red Wizards of Thay (particularly the Necromancer school)
Night masks of Westgate (The FRs answer to Buffy the Vampire slayer)
Larloch and his undead army
If I ever get around to running my 3ed conversion of the mere of Dead modules then Ill probably introduce alot of the New Undead form Libris Mortis into the region (Rationalising there apearance with Mykruls essense raising the dead of the mere)
As for the Undead gods
You could say that they where all little known Demi Powers pre time of Troubles who served Mykrul and theyve now started asserting themselves now that their patrons "dead" |
| Lady Kazandra |
Posted - 09 Jan 2005 : 11:00:35
quote:
Originally posted by Ardashir
Also, how could one fit Doresain into the Realms? They've kinda got enough evil/death gods; though as a big Clark Ashton Smith fan, I've always had a soft spot for ravening ghouls. And his Hunger domain is so utterly repulsive I love it!
I'm not really sure we need a specific "ghoul god" in the Realms. There's so many other deities that handle that area of the undead already.
What about if he were a minor power . . . serving one of the greater deities of the dead/undeath?
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| Ardashir |
Posted - 08 Jan 2005 : 18:28:55
Anyone have any ideas on just which religions/power groups in the Realms would get the most use out of the LM material? I see the anti-undead stuff as being natural for the churches of Kelemvor and Lathander. The nastier stuff would go great for the Cult of the Dragon (they've got a lot of necromancers, as I recall), the Cult of the White Banshee, and the followers of Velsharoon. Indeed, I see the True Necromancer as being the specialist priest of his church.
Also, how could one fit Doresain into the Realms? They've kinda got enough evil/death gods; though as a big Clark Ashton Smith fan, I've always had a soft spot for ravening ghouls. And his Hunger domain is so utterly repulsive I love it!
Lastly -- is it just me, or are the varied Necrotic Cyst spells some of the foulest magic ever seen in a D&D book? |
| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 05 Nov 2004 : 16:36:00
ENWorld reported the following today:
quote:
In this thread, Andy Collins responds to the large collection of stat block errors found in Libris Mortis by EN World reviewer John Cooper: "In response to the query about errors: keep in mind that any changes we make in process won't be reflected in products for many months. Libris Mortis was "finished" here quite a while ago, and thus couldn't have benefited from the increased staffing that occurred more recently" (scooper: Eric Anondson).
Can anyone with this tome elaborate if they noticed these errors?
SB |
| The Sage |
Posted - 01 Nov 2004 : 14:53:52
quote:
Originally posted by Lady Kazandra
I haven't had a chance to look through this book yet. Are there any planar-themed undead detailed?
There are a few, but I can't remember them at the moment. I've marked out the relevant sections in my copy. Check it when you get home .
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| Lady Kazandra |
Posted - 01 Nov 2004 : 07:31:16
I haven't had a chance to look through this book yet. Are there any planar-themed undead detailed?
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| Arivia |
Posted - 22 Oct 2004 : 09:21:29
quote:
Originally posted by Alaundo
Well met
Ahem!  Now, what was the discussion herein regarding the Book of the Undead?
It never existed...the book is only a phantom, eternally ghosting... |
| Alaundo |
Posted - 22 Oct 2004 : 09:16:25
Well met
Ahem! Now, what was the discussion herein regarding the Book of the Undead? |
| The Sage |
Posted - 22 Oct 2004 : 05:51:13
quote:
Originally posted by Wood Elf Ranger
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage
As far as I am aware, I never seen anything similar used elsewhere. As I recall though, a derivative of this technique was used frequently by me in my screen prompt from an old Unix system I and a group of students were using at the university a few years ago. It might have been inspired by that practice, but, as I said above, I simply do not really know.
- Semi-informative Sage 
There is someone else who does something similar. I sure can't find any of his posts now but I believe he is one of WotC's designers. At first I thought you were copying him or making fun of him  Especially since it was the first post I had seen you use the sig right after his... now why can't I find that post? 
Perhaps a particularly nasty visage was responsible for that... It stole Mr. Schend's identity and now it's playing with your mind and your perceptions...
- Trying vainly to keep the scroll on-topic Sage
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| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 21 Oct 2004 : 18:27:26
quote:
Originally posted by Wood Elf Ranger
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage
As far as I am aware, I never seen anything similar used elsewhere. As I recall though, a derivative of this technique was used frequently by me in my screen prompt from an old Unix system I and a group of students were using at the university a few years ago. It might have been inspired by that practice, but, as I said above, I simply do not really know.
- Semi-informative Sage
There is someone else who does something similar. I sure can't find any of his posts now but I believe he is one of WotC's designers. At first I thought you were copying him or making fun of him Especially since it was the first post I had seen you use the sig right after his... now why can't I find that post?
Steven Schend usually signs off with his first name, and then some little comment that adds to his post. |
| Wood Elf Ranger |
Posted - 21 Oct 2004 : 18:08:58
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage
As far as I am aware, I never seen anything similar used elsewhere. As I recall though, a derivative of this technique was used frequently by me in my screen prompt from an old Unix system I and a group of students were using at the university a few years ago. It might have been inspired by that practice, but, as I said above, I simply do not really know.
- Semi-informative Sage
There is someone else who does something similar. I sure can't find any of his posts now but I believe he is one of WotC's designers. At first I thought you were copying him or making fun of him Especially since it was the first post I had seen you use the sig right after his... now why can't I find that post? |
| Lord Rad |
Posted - 21 Oct 2004 : 11:44:44
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage
quote:
Originally posted by Capn Charlie
I spent a slightly smaller amount of time with shining south...
Gosh... I hope neither Alaundo nor the Lord Rad are reading this... 
- Worried for the Capn Sage
::looks up from reading Shining South::
Wha...what's that, you say?
::buries head back in tome:: |
| Capn Charlie |
Posted - 21 Oct 2004 : 10:19:07
Actually it is kind of like this, I only ravage books in the store that I know are low on the priority list of me getting them...
Shining south is a lot higher on the list than libris mortis, so I only needed to look at a few things in it(namely the halruaa sec, out of anticipation, and the classes and some spells, etc. out of curiosity)
The rest I save for when I can sit and read it at my leisure. |
| Alaundo |
Posted - 21 Oct 2004 : 09:42:14
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage
quote:
Originally posted by Capn Charlie
I spent a slightly smaller amount of time with shining south...
Gosh... I hope neither Alaundo nor the Lord Rad are reading this...
- Worried for the Capn Sage
Well met
Aye, this just won't do  Sit thyself down with Shining South, Capn Charlie, for 'tis certainly worthy of more than a "45 minutes surface scan"! |
