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| Penknight |
Posted - 11 Jul 2007 : 10:44:41
I have been wondering where I might find a list of noble titles relevant to Cormyr. Also, how do you decide what the title of someone is? For example, if a paladin is in charge of a keep inside of Cormyr, what is his title? Earl, Duke, or something else entirely? Also, what if said paladin and lord of the keep has a daughter and a son? What are their titles, if any? I have tried looking up on Google a list of nobility and what is entailed in each title, but so far I have come up with nothing. Can anyone lend me a hand, please? |
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| Penknight |
Posted - 14 Jul 2007 : 12:45:30
My thanks to both of you fine gentlemen. That helps out a great deal.  |
| The Sage |
Posted - 14 Jul 2007 : 09:08:04
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Originally posted by Garen Thal
Personally, I explain the abberrant use of "count" solely as a courtesy title for the husbands of countesses in their own right, the children of higher-ranking nobles, or an odd vestigial noble title from Marsember.
Sounds reasonable enough.
As I recall, we've predominantly seen instances of Earl/Countess pairings -- like Lord and Lady Belorgan for example -- illustrating the relative importance and accepted practice of using the title of 'Earl,' rather than 'Count,' throughout the nobility of Cormyr.
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| Garen Thal |
Posted - 14 Jul 2007 : 08:53:10
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Originally posted by Penknight
I have been wondering where I might find a list of noble titles relevant to Cormyr. Also, how do you decide what the title of someone is? For example, if a paladin is in charge of a keep inside of Cormyr, what is his title? Earl, Duke, or something else entirely? Also, what if said paladin and lord of the keep has a daughter and a son? What are their titles, if any? I have tried looking up on Google a list of nobility and what is entailed in each title, but so far I have come up with nothing. Can anyone lend me a hand, please?
Power of Faerūn does an excellent job of describing, in detail, exactly how the ordering of titles works. Essentially, a noble and his various heirs are all titled based on locations, keeps and lands in their domain, in lowering order of importance and prestige (to the family and Cormyr as a whole).
Let's use your sample paladin, who has two children (one daughter, one son), and--presumably--a wife. For the sake of argument, will call him an earl, although any rank or title would do (because there's always a title of lesser rank to hand out). Since I don't know anything about the paladin in question, I'll just make things up as I go.
To properly title the noble, his lands need a name. Failing that, his keep would have a name (even if its just something derived from the lord's own name), as would some town, village, crossroads, ruined keep, important farmstead, natural landmark, or other location of the surrounding landscape.
Let's say our paladin serves Lathander, and has been granted a small farmstead outside Thunderstone; the lands are known as Mornfall for their early access to the sun (they lie on an eastern-facing slope at the edge of a valley run). His tiny manor he calls Mornglimmer Hall, and there is a tiny outcropping at the edge of his lands known as the Bluewatch (the origins of the name are unknown).
Our paladin might be "Earl of Thunderstone," even though he owns no property and holds no authority in that town (his wife, of course, is Lady Paladin'ssurname, Countess of Thunderstone). His daughter or son, depending on who is eldest and considered the heir apparent, is "Viscount(ess) of Mornfall;" the other is "Baron(ess) of Mornglimmer." The paladin is likewise the "Baron of Bluewatch," but this title would be given to any future heirs the paladin might produce, whereupon the Heralds would assign him a new courtesy title prepared for just that occasion--in order to hold for the next child in the family line. |
| Garen Thal |
Posted - 14 Jul 2007 : 07:49:04
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Originally posted by The Sage
Both titles have been used among the nobility in Cormyr, as I recall from my own notes on the subject.
Both titles have been used (there's a Count Bhela in Beyond the High Road), but the proper title, strictle speaking, is "earl." Ed's Chondathan titles reply explains thus:quote:
Earl (always used, instead of Count, because of possible confusion with Corount, a Common Tongue word meaning courtier or military commander sent in by a ruler to serve as a temporary acting noble when the real one has died suddenly, gone missing, or gone mad/fallen gravely ill/otherwise become incapacitated): Velm (VEL-mm)
Personally, I explain the abberrant use of "count" solely as a courtesy title for the husbands of countesses in their own right, the children of higher-ranking nobles, or an odd vestigial noble title from Marsember. |
| The Sage |
Posted - 14 Jul 2007 : 07:02:42
Both titles have been used among the nobility in Cormyr, as I recall from my own notes on the subject.
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| Penknight |
Posted - 14 Jul 2007 : 06:39:03
Another quick question... in Cormyr, is it Earl or Count? From what I've seen, they both pretty much mean the same thing. Just trying to get my facts straight.  |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 12 Jul 2007 : 05:32:50
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Originally posted by The Sage
Sure thing! Blame me. 
Okay!
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Originally posted by The Sage
Just because The Sage spent some time among his gnome cousins on Krynn after a spelljamming mishap recently... does not mean he also brought back with him to Candlekeep, the Tinker's love of trying to "improve" things. 
It doesn't mean he didn't bring back said love, either.  |
| The Sage |
Posted - 12 Jul 2007 : 01:16:27
Sure thing! Blame me.
Just because The Sage spent some time among his gnome cousins on Krynn after a spelljamming mishap recently... does not mean he also brought back with him to Candlekeep, the Tinker's love of trying to "improve" things.
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| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 12 Jul 2007 : 00:45:11
Sage broke the thread. |
| Penknight |
Posted - 12 Jul 2007 : 00:43:29
Out of curiosity, why isn't the reply number any higher than 0?  |
| Penknight |
Posted - 11 Jul 2007 : 22:29:01
Thanks for the link, Sage, I'll be sure to give it the once-over when I have more time. |
| Kajehase |
Posted - 11 Jul 2007 : 15:16:26
And for the Chondathan words for those titles, check the "So saith Ed" pdfs kept on this site (or look through the "Ask Ed" threads on the forum) |
| The Sage |
Posted - 11 Jul 2007 : 13:24:17
I suggest you take a look at this compilation of lore regarding the nobility of Cormyr from the REALMS-L Archive.
Ed's discussed a few tidbits in his replies also. And the "Order in the Court" chapter of Power of Faerūn has some bits as well. |
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