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| KnightErrantJR |
Posted - 28 Feb 2007 : 02:35:55
Granted, they aren't using this to determine magazine content or anything, but Paizo (you know, the guys that publish Dungeon Magazine and Dragon Magazine) is running a poll at their site about what your favorite campaign setting is . . .
While there is a bit of a bias toward Greyhawk at the site, they are good folks. While I wouldn't ask anyone to skew any scientifically conducted poll . . . well, lets just say you can find the thread here:
http://paizo.com/paizo/messageboards/community/gaming/dnd/pollWhatsYourFavoriteCampaignSetting |
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| Marquant Volker |
Posted - 02 Mar 2007 : 14:01:08
Suprised to see that Greyhawk is winning. Eberron on the other hand... |
| Faraer |
Posted - 02 Mar 2007 : 10:11:42
quote:
Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
To be fair, Paizo's site has always been very much a safe haven for Greyhawk afficianados, since its pretty well common knowledge that Erik Mona is indeed the settings biggest cheerleader. Given that so many regulars to the site are Greyhawk fans, I'm not surprised that they poll is going this way, but I also don't think that it is representative of either the readership of the magazine or the overall D&D population.
Right. The most reliable information, Wizards' market research, is that the Realms and Eberron are much more popular than the World of Greyhawk, with most other settings well behind. |
| Mace Hammerhand |
Posted - 02 Mar 2007 : 09:01:12
I never really played on Greyhawk, and although I owned the campaign setting and City of Greyhawk almost 2 decades ago, I am not very familiar with it.
Certainly, the Realms were the flagship of 2nd edition, true, TSR needed a new campaign setting back then, but there are a lot of people who live, and love, the old times, a fact that I cannot understand, for although I own a lot of old(er) material, I see that that 3.x is vastly superior.
True, Greyhawk is receiving no real, make that Logo-, support, and has no own gaming line, although it can be assumed that every generic product is grounded in Greyhawk. Instead of doing Eberron, WOTC would have been far better off, doing a real Oerth rennaisance, even bringing the old hands back into the play. Gary Gygax and the others would have been a tremendous publicity push for a Greyhawk line.
(the same goes for the old Realms hands who are slowly but surely coming back. Jeff should you read this, please come back and do some Realms  ) |
| Grehnar |
Posted - 01 Mar 2007 : 23:33:50
 Now breath.
 I agree. You're right in every point you make.
However, as this is on-line, it has the danger of becoming more like ammo in an on-going argument than FR chat.
That's what I disagree with. |
| KnightErrantJR |
Posted - 01 Mar 2007 : 22:09:52
quote:
Originally posted by Grehnar
Greyhawk is comfortably pulling ahead. Face it - it is pretty good and still very popular. It can't all be nostalgia.
Those FR-bashers among GH fans can be a bit vocal but, although there is a bit of campaigning for this poll going on within the WotC boards, nobody on, say, Canonfire has stooped to conquer yet. We have.
And yes, I voted for the Realms - it's just I'm not too proud to strip-mine GH for ideas too.
To be fair, Paizo's site has always been very much a safe haven for Greyhawk afficianados, since its pretty well common knowledge that Erik Mona is indeed the settings biggest cheerleader. Given that so many regulars to the site are Greyhawk fans, I'm not surprised that they poll is going this way, but I also don't think that it is representative of either the readership of the magazine or the overall D&D population.
I mainly just wanted Realms to have a good showing because, while Paizo's boards are a thousand times more civil and enjoyable than WOTC's, there are some Greyhawk fans there that are quite rude when it comes to Forgotten Realms, and who can't pass up an oppourtunity to say that the Realms are a rip off of Greyhawk, that the Realms would have never been successful if TSR had supported Greyhawk more ardently, and who will swear, no matter who might be quoted to the contrary, that Forgotten Realms didn't sell any better than any other setting, and that if Greyhawk had been the "flagship" during 2nd edition, it would have done better than FR. I have no problem with anyone loving thier given setting, and as I said earlier, I have had a lot of good times in Greyhawk, but blatantly ignoring reality irks me, and trying to undermine the success of another setting just because yours isn't supported strikes me as "I'm not happy, so you shouldn't be either," which bothers me as well.
As to the lack of campaigning at Canonfire . . . its probably due to a lack of clarity as to weather voting for Greyhawk will mean supporting the "pure" Gygax Greyhawk, Greyhawk later in TSR's tenure, with Brian Blume's influence, pre or post Carl Sergent Greyhawk, or "Paizo" Greyhawk versus RPGA Greyhawk . . . once they get all of that sorted out, I'm sure it'll start up just fine . . .  |
| Pasta Fzoul |
Posted - 01 Mar 2007 : 21:20:04
I voted Realms, but I must admit to being a bit disappointed that Planescape isn't doing better  |
| Grehnar |
Posted - 01 Mar 2007 : 20:56:15
Greyhawk is comfortably pulling ahead. Face it - it is pretty good and still very popular. It can't all be nostalgia.
Those FR-bashers among GH fans can be a bit vocal but, although there is a bit of campaigning for this poll going on within the WotC boards, nobody on, say, Canonfire has stooped to conquer yet. We have.
And yes, I voted for the Realms - it's just I'm not too proud to strip-mine GH for ideas too. |
| MaxKaladin |
Posted - 01 Mar 2007 : 20:42:14
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
*snickers* 'Tis a good point. I have a mild dislike for the Greyhawk setting, myself, but it's not so bad that I'll badmouth the setting or avoid buying interesting products for it. I've never really seen any Realms fans badmouthing Greyhawk, though I have certainly seen some Greyhawk fans bashing the Realms.
Indeed. My first exposure to this was back in college when someone joined my FR game only to spend the whole session rolling his eyes, snorting, sniffing, smirking, shaking his head and making little noises of contempt. After the game, he began his rant about how awful the Realms are, how superior Greyhawk is how much the Realms "stole" from Greyhawk and how awful a writer Ed Greenwood is. After that, he started in on how the Realms is only popular because it's overpowered and made for munchkins and how the Realms were only published because TSR decided to kill Greyhawk off after Gygax left and they needed a setting quick. Finally, he told us that we need to play a Greyhawk game under him so we can see how things are done "right". It was rather shocking since I had no idea prior to that how bitter some segments of the Greyhawk fanbase can be.
Fast forward a few years and I ended up joining a Greyhawk mailing list briefly. I heard all the same things along with lots of random "shots" at the Realms and anything and anyone connected with them. It really amazed me how much time they spent badmouthing the Realms. I would have expected them to spend more time talking about, well, Greyhawk. I gave it another shot a few years later and encountered the same thing.
Anyway, yeah, I've been pretty amazed at the amount of bitterness and vitriol out there, especially considering the vast majority of Realms fans I know don't really have any strong feelings about Greyhawk at all. |
| Alaundo |
Posted - 01 Mar 2007 : 17:30:09
Well met
Hmmmm surprising results. Greyhawk has overtaken Forgotten Realms, I see. That simply won't do!
I'm quite surprised at the low numbers voted for Dragonlance, and actually Eberron.
Of course, FR is my first love but Ravenloft comes a close second. Most old TSR campaigns have a number of elements which I really enjoy but there's really only one which ticks all the boxes  |
| Bluenose |
Posted - 01 Mar 2007 : 16:57:23
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay
[quote]Just because we are all FR fans here doesn't mean it's necessarily our favorite.
I do get a kick out of the fact that just about everyone is beating Eberron, even Homebrew.
Yes, because those of us who put in a huge amount of work developing our own homebrew campaign really enjoy that sort of remark
I'm most surprised by how well Mystara is doing. I remember that setting fondly, even though I didn't vote for it, but it's more than a decade since anything has beeen published for it. |
| BlackAce |
Posted - 01 Mar 2007 : 16:16:15
Only one behind Greyhawk now.... |
| Markustay |
Posted - 01 Mar 2007 : 15:54:15
quote:
Originally posted by Ergdusch
Now, this can't be true!!!!
Greyhawk and FR are first runners up, both tied with 23%. Now where are all the FR fans of this site? Go you all, and do as I did - vote for the one and only - Forgotten Realms!
Just because we are all FR fans here doesn't mean it's necessarily our favorite.
I do get a kick out of the fact that just about everyone is beating Eberron, even Homebrew. |
| boddynock |
Posted - 01 Mar 2007 : 13:33:30
Difficult choise for me because I feel very much for Forgotten Realms but also for Ravenloft. Third place is for Planescape :) |
| Ergdusch |
Posted - 01 Mar 2007 : 08:17:17
Now, this can't be true!!!!
Greyhawk and FR are first runners up, both tied with 23%. Now where are all the FR fans of this site? Go you all, and do as I did - vote for the one and only - Forgotten Realms!
Here is the link again: Poll: What's your favorite campaign setting?
Go! Go! Go!
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| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 01 Mar 2007 : 06:51:14
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay
Birthright and Council of Worms are the only two still without votes.
Glad to see they're just as popular the second time around.
I enjoyed the Council of Wyrms setting when it came out, but the problem was that it was never further developed...
I loved using it to customize dragons for other settings, though. And I still prefer that version of half-dragons to the version we have now.
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay
Sorry Rupert, only 1% for Spelljammer
Spelljammer was my first love, but I know it was never all that popular, even before the horrifically bad Astromundi Cluster boxed set came out... I loved the setting, but some of the supplementary material was just awful (Krynnspace being an excellent example).
Still, I couldn't vote for it, because the Realms needs the support in that poll! |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 01 Mar 2007 : 06:47:10
quote:
Originally posted by MerrikCale
I voted for FR, but I grew up on Greyhawk. I remember those old TSR published Gord books. anyone else read those?
I still have them, as well as the novels about Mika the Wolf Nomad. |
| Markustay |
Posted - 01 Mar 2007 : 05:30:49
Birthright and Council of Worms are the only two still without votes.
Glad to see they're just as popular the second time around.
We're tied at 23%, but Greyhawk still has one more vote.
Sorry Rupert, only 1% for Spelljammer |
| Sian |
Posted - 01 Mar 2007 : 05:09:42
anyone willing to bet their necks on it ... its gotta be a sight for the gods that one :P
*ducks and flees from KEJR* |
| KnightErrantJR |
Posted - 01 Mar 2007 : 03:18:55
I have DMed in Mystara (sort of), DragonLance, and Forgotten Realms (which I have spent the most time in by far), but I played in tons of Greyhawk adventures, so I have fond memories of the setting, though I've never been able to "wrap my brain around" running it as a DM.
That having been said, if I have to read one more person posting that Forgotten Realms "ripped off" this or that from Greyhawk, I'm gonna scream . . .
Vote Forgotten Realms! |
| MerrikCale |
Posted - 01 Mar 2007 : 02:10:09
I voted for FR, but I grew up on Greyhawk. I remember those old TSR published Gord books. anyone else read those? |
| The Sage |
Posted - 28 Feb 2007 : 23:28:34
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I voted for the Realms, though I was tempted to vote for Spelljammer. 
I voted for the Realms, though it could just as easily have been either SPELLJAMMER, PLANESCAPE, RAVENLOFT, or DRAGONLANCE.
::Quickly hides away before he is pummeled by many angry scribes carrying heavy scrolls::
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| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 28 Feb 2007 : 22:46:38
quote:
Originally posted by MaxKaladin
quote:
Originally posted by Mazrim_Taim
I have played and love Dark Sun as well as Spelljammer. But like I said, FR has always been special to me. I have never really liked the competition and fighting that has gone on between certain settings (like Greyhawk and FR). 
I'm not sure there is a Greyhawk-FR "rivalry". It really seems much more one-sided than that. In my experience, you have a subset of Greyhawk fans who hate the Realms and who are bitter that it "stole" Greyhawk's place in the sun while most Realms fans either don't know the so-called rivalry exists or just don't care. I think it really needs to be a bit less one-sided than that to be a rivalry.
Personally, I don't have any problem with Greyhawk itself but I've had enough unpleasant encounters with obnoxious Greyhawk fans that I can understand someone wanting to see their reaction to losing to the Realms "again".
*snickers* 'Tis a good point. I have a mild dislike for the Greyhawk setting, myself, but it's not so bad that I'll badmouth the setting or avoid buying interesting products for it. I've never really seen any Realms fans badmouthing Greyhawk, though I have certainly seen some Greyhawk fans bashing the Realms. |
| turox |
Posted - 28 Feb 2007 : 22:41:41
Ok finally got the time to vote and I put FR up 31 to 30 vs. Greyhawk. Then a couple of minutes later it was tied again 31 to 31. |
| MaxKaladin |
Posted - 28 Feb 2007 : 22:18:24
quote:
Originally posted by Mazrim_Taim
I have played and love Dark Sun as well as Spelljammer. But like I said, FR has always been special to me. I have never really liked the competition and fighting that has gone on between certain settings (like Greyhawk and FR).
I'm not sure there is a Greyhawk-FR "rivalry". It really seems much more one-sided than that. In my experience, you have a subset of Greyhawk fans who hate the Realms and who are bitter that it "stole" Greyhawk's place in the sun while most Realms fans either don't know the so-called rivalry exists or just don't care. I think it really needs to be a bit less one-sided than that to be a rivalry.
Personally, I don't have any problem with Greyhawk itself but I've had enough unpleasant encounters with obnoxious Greyhawk fans that I can understand someone wanting to see their reaction to losing to the Realms "again". |
| Reefy |
Posted - 28 Feb 2007 : 22:09:55
Done and dusted. |
| Mazrim_Taim |
Posted - 28 Feb 2007 : 20:37:15
I have played and love Dark Sun as well as Spelljammer. But like I said, FR has always been special to me. I have never really liked the competition and fighting that has gone on between certain settings (like Greyhawk and FR). |
| Lemernis |
Posted - 28 Feb 2007 : 19:58:36
FR is the only fantasy setting I'm even remotely familiar with other the Tolkien's 'Middle-Earth' and Fritz Leiber's 'Nehwon'. So I don't feel I can vote in good conscience. For all I know one of the other settings in the poll might actually be more appealing to me... (Kinda doubt it, but could be.) |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 28 Feb 2007 : 19:26:47
I voted for the Realms, though I was tempted to vote for Spelljammer. |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 28 Feb 2007 : 18:12:07
I don't have anything at all against Greyhawk (what little I know of it, I like), but I too am rather surprised by how popular it still is. |
| ShadezofDis |
Posted - 28 Feb 2007 : 17:17:45
Been there, voted FR though it was hard not to give Dark Sun a nod.
Dark Sun, the setting where dragons are still scary! ;D
Edit: er. . . well, dragon to be proper. . . and I guess he's not so scary as a corpse (oh, that reminds me that they have that nifty lil undead sorcerer king last I knew) but still. . . ok. . . yeah, I have no clue where I'm goin with this *g* |
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