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| David E |
Posted - 25 Feb 2007 : 22:50:40
Do the elves have their own name for Evermeet in the elvish tongue, just as they call themselves the Tel'Quessir, or do they simply call the island Evermeet along with everyone else? |
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| Asgetrion |
Posted - 09 Mar 2007 : 01:14:42
Thank ye both, Sage and Gray!   |
| The Sage |
Posted - 05 Mar 2007 : 08:12:07
quote:
Originally posted by Gray Richardson
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Originally posted by Asgetrion
Tor Meraliir and Ryeniir? Where did these lands unknown to me exist?
Tor Meraliir and Ryeniir are undersea elf kingdoms in the Sea of Fallen Stars if I recall.
Indeed, you are correct -- more wondrous Realmlore from the quill of Sage Schend.
Asgetrion, you can learn a (very) little more about both kingdoms in the Sea of Fallen Stars tome.
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| Gray Richardson |
Posted - 05 Mar 2007 : 07:55:41
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Originally posted by Asgetrion
Tor Meraliir and Ryeniir? Where did these lands unknown to me exist?
'Seldruin' means ancient elven, right?
Tor Meraliir and Ryeniir are undersea elf kingdoms in the Sea of Fallen Stars if I recall.
You are correct that Seldruin is ancient elven and the ceremonial language used in elven high magic. I imagine it is the language that the sun elves and moon elves spoke when they originally came to Toril from Faerie. |
| Gray Richardson |
Posted - 05 Mar 2007 : 07:50:57
Not sure where I downloaded the original Excel spreadsheet, but there is a pretty up to date Forgotten Realms elvish dictionary on this site at this link here:
www.candlekeep.com/library/articles/diction_elf.htm |
| Asgetrion |
Posted - 05 Mar 2007 : 02:08:23
quote:
Originally posted by Gray Richardson
In Stephen Schend's elven glossary, the word "ever" is an elven word meaning "elven place", "home of the people" or "homeland", but with specific connotation of an elven homeland.
The name Evereska means "fortress home" in elven.
The word "meet" is not in the glossary as an elven word, so "Evermeet" is probably some sort of English close approximation of the real elven name which probably does begin with "ever". The elven word for "meet" (verb) is aelo. The word for "meeting" (noun) is aelou. So the elven name might possibly be something like Everaelo or Everaelou which would connote the meeting place of elves, or the elven home where all elves meet.
Alternatively, there is an elven word miir which means "immortal treasure" or "priceless, beyond compare". The elven name might then be something like Evermiir which would connote an immortal and treasured homeland of elves. This construction has the added benefit of being similar to names of other elven homelands such as Ilithiir, Syorpiir, Tor Meraliir, Ryeniir, etc.
It is also possible that Evermeet is a corruption of "Ever Myth", connoting an elven homeland protected by a mythal.
It could also be that the word "meet" (or "miit" or some other close spelling) is an archaic Seldruin word or root that is not mentioned in Stephen's elven dictionary.
But this is all merely philological speculation on my part. Maybe Ed or Stephen or Elaine might supply a definitive answer. 
And where, friend Gray, can I find this marvelous glossary? 
Tor Meraliir and Ryeniir? Where did these lands unknown to me exist?
'Seldruin' means ancient elven, right? |
| Markustay |
Posted - 28 Feb 2007 : 05:24:48
Then there is Evermead, which is described as being the BEST mead in the Realms (Aurora's cataologue AND the 2e Players guide to the Forgotten Realms).
So if humans were buying EVERMEAD, and the real name was something similar like Gray suggested, Evermiir, then it is easy to see how the confusion might have happened. |
| MerrikCale |
Posted - 28 Feb 2007 : 02:02:31
Oddly enough, they refer to Evermeet as their crib. |
| ShadowJack |
Posted - 27 Feb 2007 : 18:45:37
Gray,
Very impressive, and a piece of errata i will be using in my campaign... If I can ever get people back together again... So many ideas, so few players... Anyway, Great bit of lore and reasoning! I Like It! |
| Gray Richardson |
Posted - 27 Feb 2007 : 03:56:31
In Stephen Schend's elven glossary, the word "ever" is an elven word meaning "elven place", "home of the people" or "homeland", but with specific connotation of an elven homeland.
The name Evereska means "fortress home" in elven.
The word "meet" is not in the glossary as an elven word, so "Evermeet" is probably some sort of English close approximation of the real elven name which probably does begin with "ever". The elven word for "meet" (verb) is aelo. The word for "meeting" (noun) is aelou. So the elven name might possibly be something like Everaelo or Everaelou which would connote the meeting place of elves, or the elven home where all elves meet.
Alternatively, there is an elven word miir which means "immortal treasure" or "priceless, beyond compare". The elven name might then be something like Evermiir which would connote an immortal and treasured homeland of elves. This construction has the added benefit of being similar to names of other elven homelands such as Ilithiir, Syorpiir, Tor Meraliir, Ryeniir, etc.
It is also possible that Evermeet is a corruption of "Ever Myth", connoting an elven homeland protected by a mythal.
It could also be that the word "meet" (or "miit" or some other close spelling) is an archaic Seldruin word or root that is not mentioned in Stephen's elven dictionary.
But this is all merely philological speculation on my part. Maybe Ed or Stephen or Elaine might supply a definitive answer. |
| George Krashos |
Posted - 26 Feb 2007 : 07:03:57
Well, there is likely an elven translation, but yes, the elves call it "Evermeet" also. Maybe we should ask Ed/Elaine/Steven what the translation is ..
-- George Krashos
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| David E |
Posted - 26 Feb 2007 : 02:52:19
Ah, so Evermeet is the elvish name for the island? I guess my question itself is wrong then.  |
| scererar |
Posted - 25 Feb 2007 : 23:39:52
In the novel Evermeet, Correllon names Evermeet, just that, Evermeet. the god even called it a piece of Arvandor, a bridge between the worlds - on page 162. Other names I have seen used are the homeland and the green isle. |
| Kentinal |
Posted - 25 Feb 2007 : 23:08:00
Well elves clear name the Island in Elven, not comon. Green Island though is another name common uses. |
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