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| Gray Richardson |
Posted - 21 Dec 2006 : 17:16:32
There are hints in Faiths & Pantheons that Lathander has a new plan to achieve his goals that went so wrong in the Dawn Cataclysm. Of course, when he originally put his plan into motion, he would not have called it a cataclsym. He thinks of it as a crusade to bring about a new dawn. Faiths & Pantheons hints that Lathander's new plan is imminent.
In Ed's latest Waterdeep News column, Lathander's church is recruiting people to build a new temple & farm complex north of Secomber. The construction was decreed by Lathander himself in a vision.
But what caught my eye was that, in the vision: "we saw a warrior-priest preaching to a throng of enthusiastic faithful. His words ended with the promise -- 'Our Lord leads us all through smoke and fire, to bright victory!'"
Could this project be in preparation for Lathander's new plan? Are there any other stirrings of some new Dawn Event in the making that anyone has noticed?
I sense the groundwork being laid for something momentous...
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| Kuje |
Posted - 23 Dec 2006 : 01:39:57
Oh yeah, don't forget that that triple deity is one of the heretic versions in Power of Faerun for Lathander/Amaunator/Jergal/Myrkul. |
| The Sage |
Posted - 22 Dec 2006 : 23:07:02
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Originally posted by Kuje
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Kuje or Sage, can one of you provide a link to that lore? I didn't see it in the compiled files on Kuje's site, and I'm not wanting to wade thru everything on the WotC forums, if I can avoid it.
Okay, I take that back, I guess I didn't snag them. :)
I'll have to take a look through my own files then.
I'll edit this post when I've found them. 
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| Kuje |
Posted - 22 Dec 2006 : 17:34:51
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Kuje or Sage, can one of you provide a link to that lore? I didn't see it in the compiled files on Kuje's site, and I'm not wanting to wade thru everything on the WotC forums, if I can avoid it.
Okay, I take that back, I guess I didn't snag them. :) |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 22 Dec 2006 : 16:47:58
Kuje or Sage, can one of you provide a link to that lore? I didn't see it in the compiled files on Kuje's site, and I'm not wanting to wade thru everything on the WotC forums, if I can avoid it. |
| Sian |
Posted - 22 Dec 2006 : 14:32:47
if Amaunator either get a total or a partial victory (following KJER's chain of toughts) then he would likely end up merged with Amaunator doing the clash with Amaunator gaining the upper hand.
if Lathander manages to pull it off then Horus-Re would consume the Amaunator heretics in Lathandite church making it somewhat a stalemate ... and might even after some time starting to get prayed to more as Amaunator everywhere else than Mulhorand ... which would basicly become a partial win for Amaunator |
| Ateth Istarlin |
Posted - 22 Dec 2006 : 10:43:36
Since a new dawn Crusade would probably merge the Faerunian & Mulhorandi pantheons - has anyone got any ideas about what will happen with Horus-Re (since he's a greater power & god of the sun)? |
| Kuje |
Posted - 22 Dec 2006 : 05:16:36
I did. :) |
| The Sage |
Posted - 22 Dec 2006 : 05:05:03
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
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Originally posted by Kuje
I'd also involve Myrkul in this somehow because of Myrkul's dusk aspect and he was/is the third member of the triple deity concept.
You know, I had some ideas about Myrkul actually wanting to get his hands on the Tablets of Fate, not to become more powerful, but to escape his fate as the dusk lord. Perhaps Myrkul is the one that taught Amaunator how to sequester a fragment of his personality in an artifact, a technique he himself used with the Crown of Horns.
Perhaps Myrkul actually fulfilled his purpose as the dusk lord by helping the "sun" go down in facilitating Amaunator's plan, and without realizing it, hastened his own demise by fulfiling his purpose in doing this.
Thanks for throwing that one in there . . . I'll have to think on this some more.
As I recall, Eric provided some rather unique tidbits and speculations on this himself over at WotC about a year and half ago during one of the weekly "Dawn Cataclysm" threads to pop up over there.
Kuje has likely compiled those replies into his files...
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| Sanishiver |
Posted - 22 Dec 2006 : 04:32:06
Good stuff guys, good stuff. I can use this in my own campaign even.
J. Grenemyer |
| KnightErrantJR |
Posted - 22 Dec 2006 : 03:47:20
A while ago I had thought of a plot hook for my campaign, if it ever came up, that a follower of Amaunator (back when they mentioned the Sun Masters in LEOF) with the backing of Lathander's church would do something that was suppose to unlock something important to Amaunator and, by extention in his way of thinking, Lathander's destiny, but this event would cause major harm, and ironically, the PCs would be warned off by an NPC with the Crown of Horns, as Myrkul would be able to sense this particular calamity, and it would please him to thwart Lathander and Amaunator while "aiding" the side of "good."
Never fully fleshed this one out, but now with some of the more recent hooks, I might have to rethink this particular campaign hook and see if I could use this . . . |
| Kuje |
Posted - 22 Dec 2006 : 03:28:48
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
You know, I had some ideas about Myrkul actually wanting to get his hands on the Tablets of Fate, not to become more powerful, but to escape his fate as the dusk lord. Perhaps Myrkul is the one that taught Amaunator how to sequester a fragment of his personality in an artifact, a technique he himself used with the Crown of Horns.
Perhaps Myrkul actually fulfilled his purpose as the dusk lord by helping the "sun" go down in facilitating Amaunator's plan, and without realizing it, hastened his own demise by fulfiling his purpose in doing this.
Thanks for throwing that one in there . . . I'll have to think on this some more.
Very possible and what you wrote seems very cool. |
| KnightErrantJR |
Posted - 22 Dec 2006 : 03:19:49
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
It's also possible, under your theory, that Amaunator, rather than breaking away from Lathander, intends to eventually merge with him more fully and/or subsume him.
That is possible as well, but I guess I'm setting this up for a "partial victory" for Amaunator, if he manages to split off and become a god again without fully regaining his former glory. |
| KnightErrantJR |
Posted - 22 Dec 2006 : 03:18:34
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Originally posted by Kuje
I'd also involve Myrkul in this somehow because of Myrkul's dusk aspect and he was/is the third member of the triple deity concept.
You know, I had some ideas about Myrkul actually wanting to get his hands on the Tablets of Fate, not to become more powerful, but to escape his fate as the dusk lord. Perhaps Myrkul is the one that taught Amaunator how to sequester a fragment of his personality in an artifact, a technique he himself used with the Crown of Horns.
Perhaps Myrkul actually fulfilled his purpose as the dusk lord by helping the "sun" go down in facilitating Amaunator's plan, and without realizing it, hastened his own demise by fulfiling his purpose in doing this.
Thanks for throwing that one in there . . . I'll have to think on this some more. |
| Wandering_mage |
Posted - 22 Dec 2006 : 03:13:20
I was excited when I first read the Waterdeep News article by Ed. What a campaign idea! Nothing beats a good old fashion fantasy campaign Crusade. :) Any one using this in game yet? |
| Kuje |
Posted - 22 Dec 2006 : 02:51:46
I'd also involve Myrkul in this somehow because of Myrkul's dusk aspect and he was/is the third member of the triple deity concept. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 22 Dec 2006 : 02:48:51
It's also possible, under your theory, that Amaunator, rather than breaking away from Lathander, intends to eventually merge with him more fully and/or subsume him. |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 22 Dec 2006 : 01:10:37
It's all just conjecture...but that can be fun. |
| KnightErrantJR |
Posted - 22 Dec 2006 : 01:02:58
Part of that reasoning is why I thought of my conspiracy theory above. While Lathander's dogma is pretty much NG, and his church is oriented this way, having this idea about reordering the universe and being in charge of a new "good" world order, and returning to this plan after it failed, it seems is a bit more "lawful" to my way of thinking.
Hence, once in a while, when Amaunator (or what's left of him) builds up his strength, he starts whispering goals in Lathander's psyche, subtly, and guiding him toward a plan. Thus, the LN alignment of Amaunator starts to come through the normally NG Lathander.
But again, its only my theory, and as I said, vaguely supported at best with a lot of conjecture and a little chewing gum. |
| Rinonalyrna Fathomlin |
Posted - 22 Dec 2006 : 00:58:48
What's funny (to me anyway) is that I already came up with a similar concept for a Lathander-oriented realm in the Border Kingdoms, run by one of my own characters...before I ever even read that article by Ed. :)
As far as stuff like this being a part of an overreaching plan...well, that's nothing new. Most gods (as far as I understand) try to improve their image and win over new followers all the time. Aren't new beginnings supposed to happen all the time, as far as Lathander is concerned? |
| KnightErrantJR |
Posted - 22 Dec 2006 : 00:24:22
Here is a theory . . .
Amaunator is dying from lack of interest in him. The sun is a powerful portfolio, but people care little for the god himself, as he has failed to really promote his portfolio well. Amaunator is weak and has been fading for some time.
Lathander's worship is growing, and he is a popular deity. His faith is growing, but Lathander is an energetic god, and he wants to do as much good, over as much of the multiverse, as possible. He is actively looking for ways to expand his portfolio and his influence so that he can make the universe a better place.
Amaunator has been completely silent, and most gods believe that he has passed on. Lathander finds some artifact belonging to Amaunator, invested with much of what was left of his power. Lathander sees this, and, assuming Amaunator is dead, decides to absorb the power of the artifact, assimilating what was left of Amaunator to himself, and claiming the Sun as his portfolio as well.
Lathander feels a powerful surge of power, but strangly, decides to not fully embrace "his" role as a sun god yet. He is obsessed with aquireing more power to remake the universe as a "good" place, with a "good" pantheon of gods with himself as its head.
(Insert whatever you might hold to have happened during the Dawn Cataclysm here)
So, the random conspiracy theory here is that Amaunator, when he was dying, put all of his essense into the artifact that he tempted Lathander with. He "died" because all that was left of him was the artifact, but a fragment of his personality survived, and was willingly taken into Lathander when Lathander took in the artifact and its power.
Amaunator was actually pushing for the Dawn Cataclysm (obviously with better results) because if Lathander becomes Ultra Powerful, there will be power to spare and Amaunator can pull himself free of Lathander, at nearly full power, perhaps even in charge of whatever "pantheon" that Lathander manages to pull together.
In other words, Lathander is impetuous and overzealous, but many of his "unwise" moments have been when Amaunator has been "pushing" in on Lathander's conciousness, dulling the aspects of his mind that would tell him what he is doing isn't the best course of action. Perhaps even telling him that its fine to let his worshippers beleive that he is Amaunator reborn as long as it makes his church stronger. In reality, Amaunator is slowly building HIS OWN clergy once again, if he manages to pull free of Lathander. In fact, if the majority of Lathander's church is worshipping in the name of Amaunator, perhaps when he pulls free, Amaunator will actually have the lion's share of power, and Lathander might be a very weak power.
Just a theory, and not much to back it up except creating a framework to fit the facts.
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| Dargoth |
Posted - 21 Dec 2006 : 21:17:45
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Originally posted by sparhawk42
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Originally posted by ShadowJack
Gray,
I wonder if this has anything to do with the heresy that is being spouted by that priest??? I can not remember his name, it was in Power of Faerun... The reason I mention this is that this "heretical" priest of Lathander has performed some huge miracles. This could be more proof that something big is coming... I will open the PoF tome when I get home tonight and fill in the huge gaps in my memory, and post... I did not pay close attention to this info as it did not have any direct bearing on my campaign...
I believe the name you are looking for is Daelegoth Orndeir.
and the leader of the Sun Soul monks in Waterdeep is his Cohort |
| sparhawk42 |
Posted - 21 Dec 2006 : 20:56:30
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Originally posted by ShadowJack
Gray,
I wonder if this has anything to do with the heresy that is being spouted by that priest??? I can not remember his name, it was in Power of Faerun... The reason I mention this is that this "heretical" priest of Lathander has performed some huge miracles. This could be more proof that something big is coming... I will open the PoF tome when I get home tonight and fill in the huge gaps in my memory, and post... I did not pay close attention to this info as it did not have any direct bearing on my campaign...
I believe the name you are looking for is Daelegoth Orndeir. |
| ShadowJack |
Posted - 21 Dec 2006 : 20:19:18
Gray,
I wonder if this has anything to do with the heresy that is being spouted by that priest??? I can not remember his name, it was in Power of Faerun... The reason I mention this is that this "heretical" priest of Lathander has performed some huge miracles. This could be more proof that something big is coming... I will open the PoF tome when I get home tonight and fill in the huge gaps in my memory, and post... I did not pay close attention to this info as it did not have any direct bearing on my campaign... |
| Skeptic |
Posted - 21 Dec 2006 : 17:26:17
I would ask Ed when those "Waterdeep news" were written... maybe it's some old stuff that WOTC finally decided to put online after CoS was released. |
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