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| KnightErrantJR |
Posted - 29 Sep 2005 : 00:10:16
I was just wondering about this topic. Part of it is spawned by looking at the Banewarrens adventure of Monte Cook's, and it got me to thinking about places in the Realms that important and dangerous things are stored.
I thought of the Harper's vault that Khelbun raided for the Scepter of the Sorcerer Kings, and the Elven High Mage Towers on Evermeet, and even the Demiplane of Fear that Dwalimor Omen used in the FR comic book.
Can anyone else think of any places in the Realms that are used for storing evil/dangerous magic, and how things might end up getting out of them. For some reason this idea is catching my fancy right now. |
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| Nerfed2Hell |
Posted - 02 Oct 2008 : 09:12:40
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
Can anyone else think of any places in the Realms that are used for storing evil/dangerous magic, and how things might end up getting out of them. For some reason this idea is catching my fancy right now.
Evil magic items? Oh, just a guess, but any good temple should be hiding/guarding something to be kept out of unworthy hands... and not their own holy items, because those are the things they would use themselves if they had them. If a temple dedicated to a good god isn't personally guarding some evil treasure they can't destroy, I'd bet they would at least be holding on to knowledge of where something is... thus guarding the evil/dangerous items indirectly by guarding the knowledge of the actual location (maps or stories). |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 02 Oct 2008 : 00:20:04
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Originally posted by Ardashir
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
It was a singular artifact, like the Hand of Vecna or Heward's Mystical Organ.
Highly OT but I just recently looked at the Book of Erotic Fantasy, and am now having horrible, twisted ideas about just which of Heward's organs in the mystical one... 
Actually, it was the musical instrument type of organ. 
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Originally posted by Ardashir
Let alone what kind of trouble you could get into with Vecna's body parts!
Yeah, that's a can of worms I prefer not to open!  |
| Ardashir |
Posted - 01 Oct 2008 : 23:58:51
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
It was a singular artifact, like the Hand of Vecna or Heward's Mystical Organ.
Highly OT but I just recently looked at the Book of Erotic Fantasy, and am now having horrible, twisted ideas about just which of Heward's organs in the mystical one...
Let alone what kind of trouble you could get into with Vecna's body parts! |
| Ardashir |
Posted - 01 Oct 2008 : 23:53:50
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Originally posted by warlockco
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
There's a very large warehouse in Waterdeep, where the Lords keep all sorts of powerful artifacts locked away in plain wooden crates... 
Nice, sounds like Warehouse 23 from GURPS.
One shudders to think what you could find inside the Realms version! ~ Aside from those clones of Elminster and the Seven Sisters, kept ready for emergenices, that is... |
| sleyvas |
Posted - 12 Oct 2005 : 14:34:45
Though nothing in particular is ever listed because not much detail is out there, the Imaskari would most definitely have been in the habit of planar imprisonment/dumping. |
| George Krashos |
Posted - 10 Oct 2005 : 03:18:33
There's also the huge, invisible sphere of magic as big as a manor house used by one of the early Magisters to store artifacts and items from netheril considered too dangerous to be out and about in the Realms. See "Secrets of the Magister".
-- George Krashos
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| Hoondatha |
Posted - 02 Oct 2005 : 15:11:56
Steven: not a problem, I've messed up far more obvious name/gender matches than mine.
To all re: Demiplane of Fear: Well, that clears everything up. It logically makes sense that Fear and Dread would be two names for the same place, unless, of course, you've read the thing that describes Fear. (and I've even forgotten how we got on the subject) |
| KnightErrantJR |
Posted - 01 Oct 2005 : 15:27:10
I am both happy and frustrated . . . grr . . . |
| Steven Schend |
Posted - 01 Oct 2005 : 14:58:05
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
And, if I remember correctly, the Ogre Mage in question had cut off his own hand and consecrated it to Vaprak. Said Ogre Mage also tangled with a certain pipe smoking Chosen of Mystra when both were much younger.
But yes Wooly, I had always thought that the Demiplane of Fear was a created pocket dimension, but I wondered if Omen made it himself, or if it was some thing that Halruaans in position of authority had access to in order to dispose of dangerous items.
Now those Vaults in Mistledale . . . considering my PCs live there . . . how soon can we pry anything out of you Steven?
I had mentioned in another post that I had wanted to perhaps use some of the items and creatures from the Malhavoc Press book When the Sky Falls to represent some of the items that the elves might have studied or the creatures that might have survived the crash site.
Right on that the Demiplane of Fear was a pocket dimension created (or at least discovered) by Dwalimer Omen and pretentiously named thusly. Under a dozen people know of the demiplane's existence, and only three of them can actually access it using special spells and items. (Omen's locked it off from more conventional forms of access and tied it to magically enhanced keys.)
Ahem, what vaults in Mistledale, pray tell? And why would I know anything about that? (After all, the only stuff I've ever written on the Dales touches only tangentially in Cormanthyr/Fall of MD...)
If you were referring to the Vaults of Uvaeren, they're under guard by a new Trio Nefarious--Naarlayx, Dhoarkath, and Axarark, three demons bound solely for the purposes of keeping those things secret. |
| Steven Schend |
Posted - 01 Oct 2005 : 14:49:10
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Originally posted by Hoondatha
Are the only references to the Demiplane of Fear in the comic? Because that might explain my confusion (since I've never read them).
Only in the comic, yes, unless it's been referenced by Elaine or Thomas in their later work with Halruaa.
The stats (IIRC) for the Hand of Vaprak appeared on the letters' page of the FR comic book.
As for at least one of the artifacts shouted out in Elminster's and Omen's drunken one-upsmanship, the Red Book of War (first mentioned in the grey box) was last statted/written up in Sea of Fallen Stars.
And Hoondatha, sorry about the gender mixup; it's that assumption that all names ending in -a are feminine. I blame only myself and my meager linguistic background. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 01 Oct 2005 : 03:34:47
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Originally posted by Hoondatha
Are the only references to the Demiplane of Fear in the comic? Because that might explain my confusion (since I've never read them).
I believe so... And there weren't that many references to it in the comic. |
| KnightErrantJR |
Posted - 01 Oct 2005 : 03:02:12
How could I have forgotten the Moonpeguin of Boof? |
| Hoondatha |
Posted - 01 Oct 2005 : 01:49:12
Are the only references to the Demiplane of Fear in the comic? Because that might explain my confusion (since I've never read them). |
| The Sage |
Posted - 01 Oct 2005 : 01:48:06
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Originally posted by Kuje
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by CrennenFaerieBane
Where is the Hand of Vaprak listed? Damn, as soon as I get back from Boston I just need to lay out all my old FR stuff and research all of this. Sometimes I feel so out of the loop when I come on here. It's like for everything I know, I don't know like 3 other things!
C-Fb
I can't say, off the top of my head, whether or not it was in any official sourcebooks. If it was, it was likely little more than a blurb...
The Hand of Vaprak was the subject (and title) of the first story arc of the Forgotten Realms comic.
I don't see it listed in the four book set called Encyclopedica Magica so I'm assuming it was never stated.....
Here's Eric reply from the FR mailing list re: the question of whether any "official game" versions of the artifacts from the FR comic books (the hand of Vaprak, etc.) have been published?
"I thought they might be included in "Volo's Guide to All Things Magical" but I don't think they were.
Eric Boyd tells us:
The short answer is no.
There wasn't room in VGtATM to detail all the artifacts named in the comic series, so I could only detail every other artifact mentioned in a Realms product up until that point If you don't have access to the comics (which most people don't), I did name all the artifacts mentioned in the comic books in the intro to the artifacts chapter. Since most of the artifacts were reeled off in a shouting match between Omen and Elminster, and we know NOTHING about them at all, they are left wholly up to the DM to detail. IIRC, the Hand of Vaprak and the Moonpenguin of Boof were really the only "featured" artifacts of the various Realms comics, and the comics revealed much of their powers during the course of the stories they were involved in."
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| KnightErrantJR |
Posted - 01 Oct 2005 : 01:00:35
And, if I remember correctly, the Ogre Mage in question had cut off his own hand and consecrated it to Vaprak. Said Ogre Mage also tangled with a certain pipe smoking Chosen of Mystra when both were much younger.
But yes Wooly, I had always thought that the Demiplane of Fear was a created pocket dimension, but I wondered if Omen made it himself, or if it was some thing that Halruaans in position of authority had access to in order to dispose of dangerous items.
Now those Vaults in Mistledale . . . considering my PCs live there . . . how soon can we pry anything out of you Steven?
I had mentioned in another post that I had wanted to perhaps use some of the items and creatures from the Malhavoc Press book When the Sky Falls to represent some of the items that the elves might have studied or the creatures that might have survived the crash site. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 30 Sep 2005 : 22:52:50
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Originally posted by CrennenFaerieBane
Right on... ok, I wasn't tripping out - that's what I was thinking about checking (The Encyclopedia Magica). So, I figure what we have here then is a bunch of adventurers roaming around looking for the god of trolls to steal his hand. That is like the coolest point of an adventure. Do we want to save a town? No! Do we want to stop evil? No! I got it, let's go main a god and steal his appendage! YAY!
C-Fb
Actually, the Hand of Vaprak was an existing artifact that Dwalimar Omen had acquired. Usually he chucked the dangerous artifacts into the Demiplane of Fear for safekeeping, but this one, he kept studying and holding on to. One of the members of his crew, realizing the Hand had a dangerous hold on Omen, chucked it overboard. It was found by a paladin (Priam Agrivar, half-brother of Kyriani), but then it was stolen and passed on to an ogre mage. Omen and his crew had to battle the ogre mage to reclaim the Hand, which Omen then disposed of properly. |
| Crennen FaerieBane |
Posted - 30 Sep 2005 : 18:53:10
Right on... ok, I wasn't tripping out - that's what I was thinking about checking (The Encyclopedia Magica). So, I figure what we have here then is a bunch of adventurers roaming around looking for the god of trolls to steal his hand. That is like the coolest point of an adventure. Do we want to save a town? No! Do we want to stop evil? No! I got it, let's go main a god and steal his appendage! YAY!
C-Fb |
| Kuje |
Posted - 30 Sep 2005 : 18:06:39
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by CrennenFaerieBane
Where is the Hand of Vaprak listed? Damn, as soon as I get back from Boston I just need to lay out all my old FR stuff and research all of this. Sometimes I feel so out of the loop when I come on here. It's like for everything I know, I don't know like 3 other things!
C-Fb
I can't say, off the top of my head, whether or not it was in any official sourcebooks. If it was, it was likely little more than a blurb...
The Hand of Vaprak was the subject (and title) of the first story arc of the Forgotten Realms comic.
I don't see it listed in the four book set called Encyclopedica Magica so I'm assuming it was never stated..... |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 30 Sep 2005 : 17:58:19
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Originally posted by CrennenFaerieBane
Where is the Hand of Vaprak listed? Damn, as soon as I get back from Boston I just need to lay out all my old FR stuff and research all of this. Sometimes I feel so out of the loop when I come on here. It's like for everything I know, I don't know like 3 other things!
C-Fb
I can't say, off the top of my head, whether or not it was in any official sourcebooks. If it was, it was likely little more than a blurb...
The Hand of Vaprak was the subject (and title) of the first story arc of the Forgotten Realms comic. |
| Crennen FaerieBane |
Posted - 30 Sep 2005 : 17:38:10
Where is the Hand of Vaprak listed? Damn, as soon as I get back from Boston I just need to lay out all my old FR stuff and research all of this. Sometimes I feel so out of the loop when I come on here. It's like for everything I know, I don't know like 3 other things!
C-Fb |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 30 Sep 2005 : 17:30:48
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Originally posted by CrennenFaerieBane
How exactly does one get a hand of Vaprak? I mean, I know he'll just grow another one if it gets cut off, but a hand from a god can't be too common, eh?
C-Fb
It was a singular artifact, like the Hand of Vecna or Heward's Mystical Organ. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 30 Sep 2005 : 17:29:15
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Originally posted by Hoondatha
Not a problem, glad to be of service (though I regret to inform you I'm male).
And, to the best of my knowledge, the Demiplanes of Dread, Fear, and Imprisonment all descripe exactly the same place: what we know as the campaign world of Ravenloft. But that was back in 2e, no knowing how 3e mucked it up.
Nope: Fear was something else entirely. What it was, exactly, was never made clear. I was always of the opinion that it was a pocket dimension with a pretentious name. |
| Crennen FaerieBane |
Posted - 30 Sep 2005 : 17:23:12
Who knows since Ravenloft became a third party campaign setting, and from what I hear it is now reverted back to Wizards... crazy world. Ravenloft is becoming the red-headed stepchild.
C-Fb
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| Hoondatha |
Posted - 30 Sep 2005 : 16:10:51
Not a problem, glad to be of service (though I regret to inform you I'm male).
And, to the best of my knowledge, the Demiplanes of Dread, Fear, and Imprisonment all descripe exactly the same place: what we know as the campaign world of Ravenloft. But that was back in 2e, no knowing how 3e mucked it up. |
| Steven Schend |
Posted - 30 Sep 2005 : 13:38:13
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Originally posted by Hoondatha
Getting back to the original topic, there's always the Nameless Dungeon where some of Aryvandaar's nastier magical items (and, apartently, a bunch of Siluvanaedan fey'ri) were imprisoned for thousands of years.
Probably the greatest storehouse of magical goods and knowledge are the Vaults of Uvaeren, the ancient elven empire in what is now Mistledale. The nation of magical scholars was destroyed by comet impact, but their vaults still survive. It was mentioned in the Fall of Myth Drannor sourcebook that if the Army of Darkness had been able to get its hands on the Vaults, then Myth Drannor's life span could have been measured in hours. Wonder what all is in there.
Wondrous things.....
Steven
Who mischievously starts scribbling on a note pad as he wanders off, cackling and muttering, "hm, I'm glad she reminded me of that...." |
| Crennen FaerieBane |
Posted - 30 Sep 2005 : 13:36:33
How exactly does one get a hand of Vaprak? I mean, I know he'll just grow another one if it gets cut off, but a hand from a god can't be too common, eh?
C-Fb |
| Chosen of Moradin |
Posted - 30 Sep 2005 : 13:30:53
In Player´s Guide to Faerûn, is mentioned that the Kaliesherai order of Evereska have the most complete vaults of itens and knowledge about psionics.... without mention the illithids, of course
Chosen of Moradin |
| KnightErrantJR |
Posted - 30 Sep 2005 : 10:50:00
I'm doubting that the Demiplane of Fear was connected to Ravenloft, only because Omen opened a portal, threw the Hand of Vaprak in, then closed the portal. Interesting that the Netherese blundered onto that, however. |
| Hoondatha |
Posted - 30 Sep 2005 : 04:38:52
In the Netheril boxed set it says that several Neth archmages exploring the planes blundered into the Demiplane of Imprisonment (another name for Ravenloft, the Demiplane of Dread) and were subsequently imprisoned. Which raises the question: how many domains have Neth lords? Not that they're leaving any time soon.
Also in the novel Vampire of the Mists (or maybe "in the Mists"), Jander Sunstart goes from Faerun to Ravenloft. |
| KnightErrantJR |
Posted - 30 Sep 2005 : 02:24:22
So, singling out one of the things that caught my attention, did any other source besides the FR comics ever mention the Demiplane of Fear? |
