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| Xysma |
Posted - 29 Jun 2005 : 14:14:49
Can anyone shed some light on the Adama? From the minute bit of info in the FRCS and Shining South, it's my understanding that the Adama is basically an ideal that is "worshipped" in The Golden Waters region. The requirements of the Hand of the Adama prestige class in Shining South includes the Adama as patron deity, but I can find no mention of the Adama aside from the very brief mentions in the FRCS and Shining South. |
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| cpthero2 |
Posted - 26 Oct 2020 : 09:37:23
Master Reid,
ego pręcipio tibi, resurrecturos!
Even though I believe you are not active on here anymore, I'll make the effort as I would love your input on this if you wouldn't mind good sir! :)
http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=23690
It's all about the Adama. I would like your input on the validity of my argument.
Best regards!
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| The Sage |
Posted - 01 Jul 2005 : 03:06:08
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
An option that occurs to me: handle the Adama like the elven tripartite deity Angharradh. The Adama could be a singular deity combining aspects of Gond, Oghma, Selūne, Torm, and Waukeen, even though those deities also exist as discrete entities.
Expanding on deity-based ideas for the Adama, you could also suggest that a more lawful and good-aligned version of the Xammux (from the BoVD) is actually the source what comprises the spiritual force of the Adama.
It doesn't even necessarily have to be all about knowledge either, but rather the search for spiritual enlightenment.
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| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 01 Jul 2005 : 00:07:30
An option that occurs to me: handle the Adama like the elven tripartite deity Angharradh. The Adama could be a singular deity combining aspects of Gond, Oghma, Selūne, Torm, and Waukeen, even though those deities also exist as discrete entities. |
| Thomas M. Reid |
Posted - 30 Jun 2005 : 14:57:05
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So, are certain deities part of the Adama? Or could any lawful good/neutral deity be considered part of it?
Check out the Religion section on pg. 116 in Shining South, specifically the second and third paragraphs. For the purposes of game mechanics (and specifically requirements for the Hand of the Adama PrC), the Adama includes Zionel (Gond), Curna (Oghma), Lucha (Selune), Torm, and Waukeen.
Thomas |
| Xysma |
Posted - 29 Jun 2005 : 21:35:49
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Originally posted by Thomas M. Reid
quote:
Originally posted by Forge
Actually, this directly contradicts what is presented in FRCS. I recall (Page 93 methinks) where it specifically states that no cleric in the realms can derive their spells/abilities from a concept as the dieties are given direct hand in the lands. *Shrug*
Hence the part of my comments that states: "This second option flies in the face of what's stated in the FRCS, I realize . . ."  I pitched it purely as an optional possibility for DMs to consider; it's more of a roleplaying issue than a mechanics issue. The concept of the Adama was brought forward from the 2E product and doesn't fit in with the 3E mechanics very well, but I wanted to stay true to the cultural flavor of the region and left it largely intact for that reason. Most people will still pick a patron deity that also happens to be part of the Adama and leave it at that.
Thomas
Thomas
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Originally posted by Thomas M. Reid
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Originally posted by Forge
Actually, this directly contradicts what is presented in FRCS. I recall (Page 93 methinks) where it specifically states that no cleric in the realms can derive their spells/abilities from a concept as the dieties are given direct hand in the lands. *Shrug*
Hence the part of my comments that states: "This second option flies in the face of what's stated in the FRCS, I realize . . ." I pitched it purely as an optional possibility for DMs to consider; it's more of a roleplaying issue than a mechanics issue. The concept of the Adama was brought forward from the 2E product and doesn't fit in with the 3E mechanics very well, but I wanted to stay true to the cultural flavor of the region and left it largely intact for that reason. Most people will still pick a patron deity that also happens to be part of the Adama and leave it at that.
Thomas
Thomas
So, are certain deities part of the Adama? Or could any lawful good/neutral deity be considered part of it? |
| Thomas M. Reid |
Posted - 29 Jun 2005 : 15:06:08
quote:
Originally posted by Forge
Actually, this directly contradicts what is presented in FRCS. I recall (Page 93 methinks) where it specifically states that no cleric in the realms can derive their spells/abilities from a concept as the dieties are given direct hand in the lands. *Shrug*
Hence the part of my comments that states: "This second option flies in the face of what's stated in the FRCS, I realize . . ." I pitched it purely as an optional possibility for DMs to consider; it's more of a roleplaying issue than a mechanics issue. The concept of the Adama was brought forward from the 2E product and doesn't fit in with the 3E mechanics very well, but I wanted to stay true to the cultural flavor of the region and left it largely intact for that reason. Most people will still pick a patron deity that also happens to be part of the Adama and leave it at that.
Thomas
Thomas |
| Xysma |
Posted - 29 Jun 2005 : 14:43:51
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Originally posted by The Sage
Here's what Thomas M Reid had to say about this aspect of the Hand of the Adama class -
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Though the patron deity of the prestige class is listed as "The Adama," the truth of the matter is that the Adama is not a deity in and of itself. It is simply a way of life, a set of principles by which to live. Thus, you really have two choices. Most often, clerics of the faith will still venerate a specific deity (almost always one of the five main "aspects" with an appropriate alignment--LG or LN, as stated in the Requirements section of the entry) in addition to his belief in the tenets of the Adama. Alternatively, the cleric can be treated as a cleric with no patron deity (as described in the Player's Handbook).
This second option flies in the face of what's stated in the FRCS, I realize, and very few characters will start out that way (since most folks will want the added benefits of a selected patron deity when creating their cleric characters), but it would be, IMO, the truest or purest form of belief in the Adama.
Does that help?
Thomas M Reid
Thanks Sage, I was thinking along those lines, since the PGtF listed some preferred deities for the region, but this cleared up the crunchy part of it for me. I wouldn't want to see this pop up all over Faerun or anything, but I am rather liking the concept of the Adama. |
| Forge |
Posted - 29 Jun 2005 : 14:42:33
Actually, this directly contradicts what is presented in FRCS. I recall (Page 93 methinks) where it specifically states that no cleric in the realms can derive their spells/abilities from a concept as the dieties are given direct hand in the lands. *Shrug* |
| The Sage |
Posted - 29 Jun 2005 : 14:36:51
Here's what Thomas M Reid had to say about this aspect of the Hand of the Adama class -
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Though the patron deity of the prestige class is listed as "The Adama," the truth of the matter is that the Adama is not a deity in and of itself. It is simply a way of life, a set of principles by which to live. Thus, you really have two choices. Most often, clerics of the faith will still venerate a specific deity (almost always one of the five main "aspects" with an appropriate alignment--LG or LN, as stated in the Requirements section of the entry) in addition to his belief in the tenets of the Adama. Alternatively, the cleric can be treated as a cleric with no patron deity (as described in the Player's Handbook).
This second option flies in the face of what's stated in the FRCS, I realize, and very few characters will start out that way (since most folks will want the added benefits of a selected patron deity when creating their cleric characters), but it would be, IMO, the truest or purest form of belief in the Adama.
Does that help?
Thomas M Reid
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