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| Thelonius |
Posted - 27 Nov 2004 : 17:00:03
Investigating all along the realms 've found some information about the Eldret Veluuzhra, i know they are elves who want to destroy the humans, but, any scribe here can give me more info? Maybe they are an intersting group for a story. |
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| KnightErrantJR |
Posted - 05 Mar 2005 : 18:56:51
This is one of those cases where you have to put yourself in the shoes of the characters you are talking about. They don't think of themselves as "evil elves" they think that they are saving their people from the "taint" of humanity. They have seen elves loosing power steadily as humans increased in power, and they saw the fall of Myth Drannor as a sign that there should not be such contact between races.
The interesting thing to me is that there must be some CN members of the Blade that honestly think humans are dangerous, but are not quite so sure of killing off every human and half elf on the planet. But I am also sure that many of the elves have convinced themselves that the reason they don't receive divine help is becuase they have not been effective enough.
The irony is that while this group is facinating to me, it unfortunatly reminds me of real life. I think the reason many of us are interested in them is the fact that so many of us think of elves as the bastion of all goodness, but yet we have a clearly detestable group here.
What I want to know from everyone else here is how do you think the Blade thinks of Avariels, Lythari, and Wild elves. I ask this because the races mentioned above are "native" to the realms, while the Gold, Silver, and Copper elves migrated to the Realms. I think it might even be a point that many in the Blade might argue about. |
| DDH_101 |
Posted - 16 Feb 2005 : 00:10:51
Sirius, I think Eremite made that point because Malkizid was the divine patron of the elves Aryvaandar during the Crown Wars and assisted them in fighting the other elven nations.
However, I don't think this is very likely as Malkizid is now just some disembodied voice. He's also busying helping the fey'ri slaughter the elves of Faerun and I don't think the Eldreth Veluuthra wants somebody like that as their divine patron. |
| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 15 Feb 2005 : 14:02:32
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Originally posted by Eremite
I wonder whether the fallen solar, Malkizid, who is supposedly going to be described in the upcoming Champions of Ruin might become a divine patron for the Eldreth Veluuthara?
How and why do you see this as a possibility? |
| Eremite |
Posted - 15 Feb 2005 : 11:04:48
I wonder whether the fallen solar, Malkizid, who is supposedly going to be described in the upcoming Champions of Ruin might become a divine patron for the Eldreth Veluuthara? |
| DDH_101 |
Posted - 28 Nov 2004 : 17:46:07
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Originally posted by Capn Charlie
as of the time of that book's printing, yes... and assuming no new problems for the Veluuthrans. If they were under significgant pressure from Larethian inquisitors, and other elves started breathign down their necks(or more interestingly the human kngdoms), they might make a deal with the devil as it were.
However, yo uare right, they would not willingly associate with the Fey'ri, unless truly desperate, if at all. However, I do see cells of Veluuthrans being not just covertly spied upon by Fey'ri scouts, but being controlled by them, I mean, hate is blinding, and some of the elves might never truly notice...
Actually, one of the Blade Lords of the Eldreth Veluuthra works for both the Nightmasks of Westgate and the elf organization. Playing both sides of the field, eh?
Sirius, you brought on a good point. With the fey'ri and daemonfey invasion occuring right now in the North, I am pretty sure that the Eldreth Veluuthra wouldn't just sit around and let it happen, especially since wood elves are being slaughtered and Evereska is under siege. It would be interesting to see these evil elves assist the good elves but at the same time have conflicts over their views and morals. |
| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 28 Nov 2004 : 15:08:50
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
And since the fey'ri can alter self to look like regular elves, they can easily infiltrate the Victorious Blade....
Now that's one clear way I can see the two groups associating although this path would have the EV unaware of the true identity of the Fey'ri.
I also think WR's post hints at another point. Any "relationship" between the two groups, is one in which I see the Fey'ri coming out on top. |
| Capn Charlie |
Posted - 28 Nov 2004 : 14:42:13
Added to that their culture is also primarily elven, so none of the same problems that many shapechanging infiltrators have is present. They know the language as "only an elf can", they know more about elven culture(which has not changed too awful much during their incarceration) than any "mere mortal" can... etc.
Why, the mind boggles at the possibilities, everything from an attack on an elven outpost for cozying up with humans, in which "acceptable losses" might include "accidental" slayings of elven nobles, and the such like. Yes, I do believe the Daemonfey and the Veluthra have a long and cozy history, err, future, coming in my game... |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 28 Nov 2004 : 14:05:05
quote:
Originally posted by Capn Charlie
However, yo uare right, they would not willingly associate with the Fey'ri, unless truly desperate, if at all. However, I do see cells of Veluuthrans being not just covertly spied upon by Fey'ri scouts, but being controlled by them, I mean, hate is blinding, and some of the elves might never truly notice...
And since the fey'ri can alter self to look like regular elves, they can easily infiltrate the Victorious Blade.... |
| Capn Charlie |
Posted - 28 Nov 2004 : 07:02:32
as of the time of that book's printing, yes... and assuming no new problems for the Veluuthrans. If they were under significgant pressure from Larethian inquisitors, and other elves started breathign down their necks(or more interestingly the human kngdoms), they might make a deal with the devil as it were.
However, yo uare right, they would not willingly associate with the Fey'ri, unless truly desperate, if at all. However, I do see cells of Veluuthrans being not just covertly spied upon by Fey'ri scouts, but being controlled by them, I mean, hate is blinding, and some of the elves might never truly notice... |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 28 Nov 2004 : 06:34:45
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Originally posted by DDH_101
After all, the Elven Pantheon doesn't exactly agree with their ways (but yet strangely accept them as worshipers) so the Eldreth Veluuthra does not have any divine spellcastsers.
Well, the members of the Eldreth Veluuthra may be evil, and they may be doing things the members of the Seldarine don't agree with, but they are elves, and they do have the best interests of their people at heart... |
| DDH_101 |
Posted - 28 Nov 2004 : 03:57:18
This question is one that can be answered, Capn Charlie. In Lord of Darkness, it is said that the Eldreth Veluuthra considers the fey'ri to be an abomination, and they treat them the same as they treat half-elves: with death. As evil as the Eldreth Veluuthra is, they will absolutely not ally themselves with the fey'ri or drow, no matter how much elven blood they have.
However, some members of the organization have been considering to allow drow clerics as they are in need of healing magics and potions. After all, the Elven Pantheon doesn't exactly agree with their ways (but yet strangely accept them as worshipers) so the Eldreth Veluuthra does not have any divine spellcastsers. |
| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 28 Nov 2004 : 03:56:01
quote:
Originally posted by Capn Charlie
What I want to see is how they might act and react with the Fey'Ri. I mean, they are mostly elven, and the rest isn't human at least...
You really see the elven purity EV group associating in any way, shape, or form with elves that have mixed their blood with demons?
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| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 28 Nov 2004 : 03:52:54
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Originally posted by kuje31
Cloak and Dagger from 2e and Lords of Darkness from 3e both have info on that organization.
The former can be downloaded here for a fee. |
| Capn Charlie |
Posted - 28 Nov 2004 : 02:52:29
What I want to see is how they might act and react with the Fey'Ri. I mean, they are mostly elven, and the rest isn't human at least...
Much like politics, Evil makes strange bedfellows(oft times quite literally), and the Eldreth might just be findign a temporary alliance in my game(combining forces for mutual defense agaisnt groups of good aligned elves), and then the plotting, machinations, and attempts at corruption begin...
Any way you spin it though, THese guys might make for the beginning of the next crown wars, as human empires put pressures on the elves to to stop "their people's" actions, and civil war starts because of it.
Ahh, the realms, where the old chinese curse comes true every friday night... |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 27 Nov 2004 : 22:01:31
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Originally posted by DDH_101
To me the Eldreth Veluuthra is similar to our modern-day Neo-nazis or Aryans. These elves think of themselves as the "perfect race" while saying other races and groups are vermin that must be eradicated. They have the same racist mindset as the Neo-nazis who talk like that about Blacks and Jews.
BTW, does anyone know if Kymil Nimesin had any contact or alliances with this group? It seems that the two have much in common as they still have that same "old elven standards" mentality.
Off the top of my head, I can't recall any references to such an alliance. However, Elaine would be a far better person to ask.  |
| DDH_101 |
Posted - 27 Nov 2004 : 21:37:35
To me the Eldreth Veluuthra is similar to our modern-day Neo-nazis or Aryans. These elves think of themselves as the "perfect race" while saying other races and groups are vermin that must be eradicated. They have the same racist mindset as the Neo-nazis who talk like that about Blacks and Jews.
BTW, does anyone know if Kymil Nimesin had any contact or alliances with this group? It seems that the two have much in common as they still have that same "old elven standards" mentality.
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| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 27 Nov 2004 : 18:13:40
The Eldreth Veluuthra are an interesting group...
I'd recommend the two sources kuje31 mentioned. Also, Volo's Guide to All Things Magical mentions a corrupted moonblade whose weilder helped found the Eldreth Veluuthra. Lastly, Sean K Reynolds, in the Magic Books of Faerūn section, gave us Tar'Ael Veluuthra (Whetstone of the Blade), a spellbook created by the Eldreth Veluuthra. |
| DDH_101 |
Posted - 27 Nov 2004 : 17:49:17
Here is what the 3E LoD had to say about the "Eldreth Veluuthra":
The Eldreth Veluuthra is a fanatical elf supremacist group dedicated to the proposition that humans are little better than vermin, and must therefore be eradicated from Faerun. This ancient and secretive organization has been active since the founding of Myth Drannor. Its members are scattered throughout the elven territories of Faerun, particulary in those areas that were largely vacated during the Elven Retreat are now underpopulated, including Ardeep, Cormanthor, the High Forest, the Moonwood, the Chondalwood, the Winterwood, the Neverwinter Woods, and the Border Forest. The members of the Eldreth Veluuthra strike at their most hated enemies, launching not only murderous attacks against humans but also plans and schemes intended to slow or halt human expansion beyond its sizable territories.
The Organization:
Headquarters: None
Members: About 100.
Hierarchy: Loose.
Leaders: The Blade Lords.
Religion: Corellon Larethian
Alignment: CN, CE, NE
Secrecy: Low.
Symbol: A stylized longsword driven through the top of a human skull and emerging through the mouth, with cracks in the skull radiating from the point of the sword's entry. |
| Kuje |
Posted - 27 Nov 2004 : 17:36:58
Cloak and Dagger from 2e and Lords of Darkness from 3e both have info on that organization. |
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