| T O P I C R E V I E W |
| gregc |
Posted - 10 May 2020 : 19:12:34
https://www.dndcombat.com/toril/
I guess it doesn't matter any more but how can you tell whether a map is 2e, 3e, 4e or 5e compatible?
Handsome Robs map I assume
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| Portella |
Posted - 11 Jul 2020 : 19:28:15
found this one if anyone seen it before: https://loremaps.azurewebsites.net/Maps/Faerun
uses google maps with markers on point of interests with information/details attached to it |
| Werthead |
Posted - 08 Jul 2020 : 20:48:42
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Originally posted by Duneth Despana
Amazing work! Are these maps you still add locations to?
Not at the moment, as they can't really handle many more locations being added to. The next stage would be "blown up" areas of the maps where the scale didn't allow for more details to be featured. |
| Duneth Despana |
Posted - 08 Jul 2020 : 20:32:53
Amazing work! Are these maps you still add locations to? |
| Portella |
Posted - 08 Jul 2020 : 00:16:46
nice map, WoTC makes it so that it is to their benefit that they dont make all of this omni available with all the information we desperately want |
| Werthead |
Posted - 05 Jul 2020 : 18:25:33
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Originally posted by George Krashos
Awesome stuff. So when is the detailed map of Impiltur happening?
-- George Krashos
Ha. Well, the next idea was to go into detail on areas where I couldn't fit everything on the main map, but I'm not sure if the world is really crying out for yet another map of Cormyr or the Dales. Places like Impiltur, Thesk, Rashemen, Chondath could be good ideas. |
| George Krashos |
Posted - 05 Jul 2020 : 14:53:07
Awesome stuff. So when is the detailed map of Impiltur happening?
-- George Krashos |
| Werthead |
Posted - 04 Jul 2020 : 19:01:00
And, finally, the new map of Kara-Tur, which was challenging to create.
https://atlasoficeandfireblog.wordpress.com/2020/07/04/a-map-of-kara-tur/ |
| Werthead |
Posted - 22 Jun 2020 : 17:57:15
I believe that "Eastwood" was a placeholder whilst they were trying to come up with a better name. Really it should be an eastwards extension of the High Forest across the Delimbiyr, which is how it's treated in 3E (which shows no break between the High Forest proper and that bit of forest).
At one point it was going to be renamed Grayshadow Forest but that was never placed in a canon project, so officially it has no name, really, it's just another part of the High Forest.
http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=22016 |
| PattPlays |
Posted - 22 Jun 2020 : 01:30:32
quote:
Originally posted by Werthead
Also now Zakhara:
https://atlasoficeandfireblog.wordpress.com/2020/06/21/a-map-of-zakhara/
You are killing it! Can't wait for you to get a second star on the forum.
(Also, yay wordpress sites!)
I assume you are doing a ton of research and cross referencing to achieve these maps. I have a question about the Faerun map..
East of the Dire Woods is a small cluster forest that I have found described as "Eastwood" in only two places online. Once here on this forum by a 5 star user (all other results are in long threads or were referencing Clint Eastwood) and one version of a modern map on the wikia.
Have you any sources that mention the Eastwood? So many maps always draw this one spot differently, and I have a game set directly in that location. A sourcebook that mentions "eastwood" would really soothe my curiosity.
Edit: Correction. OP's map on combat.toril has it labelled eastwood as well, but draws it differently. |
| Werthead |
Posted - 21 Jun 2020 : 22:29:55
Also now Zakhara:
https://atlasoficeandfireblog.wordpress.com/2020/06/21/a-map-of-zakhara/ |
| PattPlays |
Posted - 16 Jun 2020 : 03:23:39
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Originally posted by RC Cola
quote:
Originally posted by Werthead
My new megamap of Faerūn, depicting the continent at the end of 2nd Edition.
https://atlasoficeandfireblog.wordpress.com/2020/06/10/a-new-map-of-faerun/
Also included on the page are a new world map of Toril and a link to a blank, "clean" version of the map which people are welcome to use for their home campaigns, especially useful since 5E has apparently reverted back to the 1E/2E version of the continent and the world.
I registered just to say I really appreciate these maps.
My group has been playing a campaign for the last 3 years set in Vassa, The Ride, Thar, Damara, and The Great Glacier. The maps that I have found aren't the best, but these ones you have provided are fantastic! My group is fully planning to use them as a resource if you don't mind!
We also have a second campaign taking place in Maztica, so that map is also very helpful. Thank you!
aw.. lucky playerd there. I would be satisfied just sailing the drained sea of stars but sailing the planet is phenomenal. You really get to start adding your own personal canon tales of places not explored before by all but a few various playgriups over time who actually managed the trip, or the guesswork trying to be a local. |
| RC Cola |
Posted - 15 Jun 2020 : 22:19:12
quote:
Originally posted by Werthead
My new megamap of Faerūn, depicting the continent at the end of 2nd Edition.
https://atlasoficeandfireblog.wordpress.com/2020/06/10/a-new-map-of-faerun/
Also included on the page are a new world map of Toril and a link to a blank, "clean" version of the map which people are welcome to use for their home campaigns, especially useful since 5E has apparently reverted back to the 1E/2E version of the continent and the world.
I registered just to say I really appreciate these maps.
My group has been playing a campaign for the last 3 years set in Vassa, The Ride, Thar, Damara, and The Great Glacier. The maps that I have found aren't the best, but these ones you have provided are fantastic! My group is fully planning to use them as a resource if you don't mind!
We also have a second campaign taking place in Maztica, so that map is also very helpful. Thank you! |
| PattPlays |
Posted - 15 Jun 2020 : 09:32:41
I love all of this.. |
| Werthead |
Posted - 14 Jun 2020 : 17:34:05
And the promised Maztica update as well:
https://atlasoficeandfireblog.wordpress.com/2020/06/14/a-map-of-maztica/ |
| Werthead |
Posted - 13 Jun 2020 : 02:40:15
Cheers! I'm working on a map of Maztica now, and will probably do some expanded versions of the areas where I couldn't fit every location (the Eastern Heartlands in particular).
This is frustrating. During my recent mapmaking efforts, the Forgotten Realms Interactive Atlas has been the most useful resource. Released in 1999, it includes some 800 maps covering the entire planet of Toril, from world maps right down to floor plans of dozens of inns, castles, towns and cities. Every single Realms map released in every single product - even Dungeon adventures and Dragon Magazine and Polyhedron articles - up until 1999 (and actually after, as it was updated in patches to include some material from the first 3E maps in 2000 and 2001 as well) is in it.
Being 21 years old, the quality of the images doesn't look quite so hot today, and the atlas uses a custom file format which makes it difficult to work with in other programs. The creators, ProFantasy, are still operating today though, and their latest mapmaking software, Campaign Cartographer 3, can still open the old FRIA files.
On a whim I opened some of the map files in CC3 and then exported them as high-quality PNGs. As all the old map information is stored as vector files, I wondered if this would improve the quality (since low-res bitmaps or JPGs can't really be upscaled, but vector maps work in a different way). Much to my surprise, CC3 blasted out the maps in absolutely stunning, mega-HD, 10,000-pixel wide images.
Unfortunately, for copyright reasons we can't even think about upgrading the entire Atlas and posting the maps online, but Wizards of the Coast (who own the maps and the copyright on the Atlas) certainly could if they wished. It's a shame this resource is otherwise unavailable to people beyond finding 2nd-hand copies online, and it can only be used as a resource for people to post their own maps. With the best will in the world, no-one's going to be doing their own versions of all 800 maps in the FRIA. |
| PattPlays |
Posted - 12 Jun 2020 : 20:10:42
quote:
Originally posted by Werthead
My new megamap of Faerūn, depicting the continent at the end of 2nd Edition.
https://atlasoficeandfireblog.wordpress.com/2020/06/10/a-new-map-of-faerun/
Also included on the page are a new world map of Toril and a link to a blank, "clean" version of the map which people are welcome to use for their home campaigns, especially useful since 5E has apparently reverted back to the 1E/2E version of the continent and the world.
YES! Finally a map that gives me more to work with! My adventure is located at and under the location just north of the Shining Falls.
Funnily enough, I randomly included an underground river stream and waterfall just about where this map places the Shining Falls. Time to research! |
| Divinity |
Posted - 12 Jun 2020 : 07:48:10
quote:
Originally posted by Werthead
My new megamap of Faerūn, depicting the continent at the end of 2nd Edition.
https://atlasoficeandfireblog.wordpress.com/2020/06/10/a-new-map-of-faerun/
Also included on the page are a new world map of Toril and a link to a blank, "clean" version of the map which people are welcome to use for their home campaigns, especially useful since 5E has apparently reverted back to the 1E/2E version of the continent and the world.
Excellent job! It's no small feat! |
| Werthead |
Posted - 10 Jun 2020 : 14:20:19
My new megamap of Faerūn, depicting the continent at the end of 2nd Edition.
https://atlasoficeandfireblog.wordpress.com/2020/06/10/a-new-map-of-faerun/
Also included on the page are a new world map of Toril and a link to a blank, "clean" version of the map which people are welcome to use for their home campaigns, especially useful since 5E has apparently reverted back to the 1E/2E version of the continent and the world. |
| sleyvas |
Posted - 08 Jun 2020 : 19:21:11
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Originally posted by PattPlays
quote:
Originally posted by Werthead
quote:
Originally posted by PattPlays
Ah, I'm starting to get it. So 2e is core, and pick and choose what you like from 3e/4e right?
And remind me, this connected mainland Chult is 2e or 3e based?
That's how I do it, obviously each DM, player and fan can take whatever stance they choose.
This is the map of Faerun from the FR 1st Edition Boxed Set (1987): https://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/forgottenrealms/images/2/26/Faerun_1e.jpg
This is the map from the 2nd Edition Boxed Set (1993): http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/forgottenrealms/images/4/45/Map_-_Faerun_-_2E.jpg
This is the official world map from the Forgotten Realms Interactive Atlas (1999): https://atlasoficeandfireblog.files.wordpress.com/2019/11/forgotten-realms-large-map-political.jpg
This is the map from the 3rd Edition Campaign Setting book (2001): http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/forgottenrealms/images/1/10/Map_-_Faerun_-_3E.jpg
This is the map from the 4th Edition Campaign Setting book (2008): https://www.adnddownloads.com/images/fr_4e_map.jpg
This is the map from the 5th Edition Sword Coast Adventurer's Guide, which is the closest thing we have to a campaign book (2014): https://i.pinimg.com/originals/14/c2/41/14c241ffb15050be35a6867ed2f455de.jpg
That was not the SCAG map I expected at the end there; it really is a return to form! WOW! The same exact framing decades apart!
This is a blessed post.
Edit: Wow.. Hellgate Keep was always there huh? I have my research jumbled, I had thought the taking of that location was in the last couple hundred years..
Hellgate Keep got exploded at the end of 2nd edition I believe, but it was around since 1st edition. |
| Werthead |
Posted - 08 Jun 2020 : 19:02:27
quote:
Originally posted by PattPlays
That was not the SCAG map I expected at the end there; it really is a return to form! WOW! The same exact framing decades apart!
This is a blessed post.
Edit: Wow.. Hellgate Keep was always there huh? I have my research jumbled, I had thought the taking of that location was in the last couple hundred years..
My friend who's doing a new 5E map extracted the close-in maps from the Forgotten Realms Interactive Atlas and overlaid the larger-scale 5E map over the top and found they matched 100%: https://imgur.com/a/xAtOY4o
So clearly the 5E mapmakers are using the 2E maps as their base and all of the changes for 3E/4E have gone out the window (aside from a few 4E holdovers like Tymanther).
ETA: Yup, Hellgate Keep was in "evil mode" in 1E and 2E. The destruction of the Keep was related in The North boxed set (1996) and the Dungeon Crawl: Hellgate Keep adventure (1998). |
| PattPlays |
Posted - 08 Jun 2020 : 03:36:09
quote:
Originally posted by Werthead
quote:
Originally posted by PattPlays
Ah, I'm starting to get it. So 2e is core, and pick and choose what you like from 3e/4e right?
And remind me, this connected mainland Chult is 2e or 3e based?
That's how I do it, obviously each DM, player and fan can take whatever stance they choose.
This is the map of Faerun from the FR 1st Edition Boxed Set (1987): https://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/forgottenrealms/images/2/26/Faerun_1e.jpg
This is the map from the 2nd Edition Boxed Set (1993): http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/forgottenrealms/images/4/45/Map_-_Faerun_-_2E.jpg
This is the official world map from the Forgotten Realms Interactive Atlas (1999): https://atlasoficeandfireblog.files.wordpress.com/2019/11/forgotten-realms-large-map-political.jpg
This is the map from the 3rd Edition Campaign Setting book (2001): http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/forgottenrealms/images/1/10/Map_-_Faerun_-_3E.jpg
This is the map from the 4th Edition Campaign Setting book (2008): https://www.adnddownloads.com/images/fr_4e_map.jpg
This is the map from the 5th Edition Sword Coast Adventurer's Guide, which is the closest thing we have to a campaign book (2014): https://i.pinimg.com/originals/14/c2/41/14c241ffb15050be35a6867ed2f455de.jpg
That was not the SCAG map I expected at the end there; it really is a return to form! WOW! The same exact framing decades apart!
This is a blessed post.
Edit: Wow.. Hellgate Keep was always there huh? I have my research jumbled, I had thought the taking of that location was in the last couple hundred years.. |
| Werthead |
Posted - 07 Jun 2020 : 13:46:15
quote:
Originally posted by PattPlays
Ah, I'm starting to get it. So 2e is core, and pick and choose what you like from 3e/4e right?
And remind me, this connected mainland Chult is 2e or 3e based?
That's how I do it, obviously each DM, player and fan can take whatever stance they choose.
This is the map of Faerun from the FR 1st Edition Boxed Set (1987): https://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/forgottenrealms/images/2/26/Faerun_1e.jpg
This is the map from the 2nd Edition Boxed Set (1993): http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/forgottenrealms/images/4/45/Map_-_Faerun_-_2E.jpg
This is the official world map from the Forgotten Realms Interactive Atlas (1999): https://atlasoficeandfireblog.files.wordpress.com/2019/11/forgotten-realms-large-map-political.jpg
This is the map from the 3rd Edition Campaign Setting book (2001): http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/forgottenrealms/images/1/10/Map_-_Faerun_-_3E.jpg
This is the map from the 4th Edition Campaign Setting book (2008): https://www.adnddownloads.com/images/fr_4e_map.jpg
This is the map from the 5th Edition Sword Coast Adventurer's Guide, which is the closest thing we have to a campaign book (2014): https://i.pinimg.com/originals/14/c2/41/14c241ffb15050be35a6867ed2f455de.jpg
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| sleyvas |
Posted - 06 Jun 2020 : 19:26:38
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Chult was connected to the mainland until 4E inexplicably blew up part of the peninsula.
Just because after the previous poster's statements (not Wooly's) about Chult, I even pulled up my copy of the old Waterdeep trail map which is from 1989 (so right around the 1e/2e crossover timeframe). Chult was connected back then, and the countries of Samarach and Thindol are even named on it (I don't think these countries got any real detail until serpent kingdoms in 3e... though I may be wrong on that aspect). |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 05 Jun 2020 : 23:54:41
Chult was connected to the mainland until 4E inexplicably blew up part of the peninsula. |
| PattPlays |
Posted - 05 Jun 2020 : 23:26:21
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Originally posted by Werthead
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Aw man, and here I thought it was cool that all my players could trace their homes on this map. Did the design team just like Chult better as a distant subcontinent or is this sundering/aber-toril stuff? (5e)
-Patt
There was no in-universe explanation for the huge changes to the FR map between 2E and 3E, they just kind of happened overnight, then the Spellplague explained the changes to 4E and the Sundering the reverse-changes in 5E (which reversed not only the 4E changes but also the 3E one). It's one of the reasons why I consider 3E to be set in a parallel universe version of the core FR lore to 1E-2E (this also explains why we get things like the Red Wizards overnight turning into merchants).
The out-of-universe explanation is that someone thought there was too much "dead space" in Faerun in the south, and reducing the size of the Shaar and shifting the orientation of the continent would bring the Shining South onto the main maps (in 1E and 2E the South is off the bottom of the main maps because including it would reduce the detail of the Heartlands, where the main focus was) and create a more unified continent. However, that also meant the Realms (particularly the Heartlands and Inner Sea region) got way too crammed with stuff.
My approach to the geography is to take the Forgotten Realms Interactive Atlas as a starting point - ignoring the copious spelling mistakes and the few glaring errors from the 1E/2E source maps - and then layer in details from 3E where it works and ignore the details that don't work.
Ah, I'm starting to get it. So 2e is core, and pick and choose what you like from 3e/4e right?
And remind me, this connected mainland Chult is 2e or 3e based? |
| Werthead |
Posted - 05 Jun 2020 : 14:27:39
quote:
Aw man, and here I thought it was cool that all my players could trace their homes on this map. Did the design team just like Chult better as a distant subcontinent or is this sundering/aber-toril stuff? (5e)
-Patt
There was no in-universe explanation for the huge changes to the FR map between 2E and 3E, they just kind of happened overnight, then the Spellplague explained the changes to 4E and the Sundering the reverse-changes in 5E (which reversed not only the 4E changes but also the 3E one). It's one of the reasons why I consider 3E to be set in a parallel universe version of the core FR lore to 1E-2E (this also explains why we get things like the Red Wizards overnight turning into merchants).
The out-of-universe explanation is that someone thought there was too much "dead space" in Faerun in the south, and reducing the size of the Shaar and shifting the orientation of the continent would bring the Shining South onto the main maps (in 1E and 2E the South is off the bottom of the main maps because including it would reduce the detail of the Heartlands, where the main focus was) and create a more unified continent. However, that also meant the Realms (particularly the Heartlands and Inner Sea region) got way too crammed with stuff.
My approach to the geography is to take the Forgotten Realms Interactive Atlas as a starting point - ignoring the copious spelling mistakes and the few glaring errors from the 1E/2E source maps - and then layer in details from 3E where it works and ignore the details that don't work. |
| PattPlays |
Posted - 04 Jun 2020 : 23:18:27
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A dead giveaway in all cases is the position of Chult. If Chult is south-west of Calimshan, with a large chunk of open water between them, chances are that it's 1E, 2E or 5E.
If Chult is fairly close to Calimshan but still attached to the mainland, it's 3E.
If Chult is fairly close to Calimshan but now an island, it's 4E.
[quote]2E and 3E maps are largely the same. Some tweaks around the edges and the general quality of the maps in 3E was better, but substantially the same.
Aw man, and here I thought it was cool that all my players could trace their homes on this map. Did the design team just like Chult better as a distant subcontinent or is this sundering/aber-toril stuff? (5e)
-Patt |
| Werthead |
Posted - 04 Jun 2020 : 21:52:12
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Originally posted by gregc
https://www.dndcombat.com/toril/
I guess it doesn't matter any more but how can you tell whether a map is 2e, 3e, 4e or 5e compatible?
Handsome Robs map I assume
A dead giveaway in all cases is the position of Chult. If Chult is south-west of Calimshan, with a large chunk of open water between them, chances are that it's 1E, 2E or 5E.
If Chult is fairly close to Calimshan but still attached to the mainland, it's 3E.
If Chult is fairly close to Calimshan but now an island, it's 4E.
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2E and 3E maps are largely the same. Some tweaks around the edges and the general quality of the maps in 3E was better, but substantially the same.
Superficially yes, but in the details not so much. I've been doing an enormous new map of Faerun based on 1E/2E (my friend is doing a tilt at 5E using the same base) and was referencing 3E maps to add new locations and when you get right into the details, the differences are much more prevalent. The 3E map eliminated entire nations right off it (the Blade Kingdoms were disposable, but not so much Erlkazar and Sossal), changed river course, swapped rivers over (to the point where the 2E and 3E maps of the Great Dale are irreconcilable), changed the orientation of entire mountain ranges, squashed the Shaar to the point it barely exists and did weird things to the orientation of the continent (primarily, I believe, to make the Sword Coast less of a straight line). Sorting it out has been a nightmare. |
| Lord Karsus |
Posted - 15 May 2020 : 17:40:26
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Originally posted by TomCosta
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Originally posted by Lord Karsus
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Originally posted by Derulbaskul
It is ***not*** the same style as the 4E maps. The 4E "cartographer" (I use the term loosely) simply took the contents of a 6-month-old-baby's diaper and smeared it across the page in a vaguely Faerun-shaped mass. (And I type this as some who prefers the 4E Realms.) By contrast, this was put together by a competent cartographer with clarity and concern for accuracy.
This is from the 3.xE-era. I believe the cartographer posted some of his smaller maps here in the past.
-This is what the style used in 3e looked like: https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Inner_Sea
-This is what the style used in 4e looked like: https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/File:1479-faerun_low-res.jpg
-The technique used to make mountains and forests are more similar to the 4e style than the style found in 3e books, regardless of who made them or when.
The latter one looks a lot more like 5E to me than 4E...
This was 4E: https://www.adnddownloads.com/images/fr_4e_map.jpg
-They are the same maps, from the same book (main map from the 4e campaign guide) |
| PattPlays |
Posted - 14 May 2020 : 21:53:56
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The latter one looks a lot more like 5E to me than 4E...
This was 4E: https://www.adnddownloads.com/images/fr_4e_map.jpg
Now THAT is some real 4e right there. It's almost as if they set the dimensions of the map and tried to make everything look nice like a restaurant coloring mat. It would certainly be a stylized and evocative if inaccurate map- if only it weren't bland as all hell to look at.
@Patt |
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