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| Purple Dragon Knight |
Posted - 29 Apr 2004 : 22:01:46
I needed a place to vent... especially in light of what some idiot just said on the WotC Boards...    http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=3282534#post3282534
I usually just ignore such posts, but I guess I'm starting to have my fill of imbeciles. Oh well... let me know what you think. |
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| Alaundo |
Posted - 01 Jun 2004 : 16:49:30
Well met
Quite right, Tethtoril. I have been wary of this scrolls since it was first penned, and on a few occasions I have winced at some of what has been written. I think we all are quite familiar with the problems over at the abode of the Wizards whom dwell on the Coast. However, naked flames cannot be permitted herein 
Lets leave this scroll for now. We won't lock it away but just hope it finds its way to a distant shelf...  |
| Tethtoril |
Posted - 01 Jun 2004 : 15:26:09
Ah Hymn ... Alaundo knows this scroll is open and igniting as we speak. In truth I believe he has a few resist fire spells ready to go off if the need warrants. Of course, he and I also understand the things within this scroll are necessary to keep clutter to a minimum in the other scrolls. Let us hope it goes no further than these scribblings. Else I will have to get my ink remover and I *hate* getting my ink remover.  
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| Hymn |
Posted - 01 Jun 2004 : 04:41:43
Oh my, I have visited this far off place, now and then, but it has been long since the last time. Sounds like things have really turned to the worst.
Here at least we are free of tyrannic oppression, looks over at Booky and Sage who are still chained to their desks copying scrolls of untold lore. and this scroll really drained me, all this negative energy floating around is like a level drain to me  I leave it to you guy's to fight the good fight. Wonder what Alaundo will do with this, not so FR scroll, when he returns from his travels. His policy is quiet strict on those  |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 01 Jun 2004 : 03:41:13
quote:
Originally posted by Capn Charlie
I believe he was inferring that she is doing nothing over there now except hounding people talking about novels.
... Even if they weren't talking about novels. |
| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 01 Jun 2004 : 03:13:29
quote:
Originally posted by Capn Charlie
I believe he was inferring that she is doing nothing over there now except hounding people talking about novels.
Ah, understood. Thanks for the clarification. |
| Capn Charlie |
Posted - 01 Jun 2004 : 02:52:53
I believe he was inferring that she is doing nothing over there now except hounding people talking about novels. |
| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 01 Jun 2004 : 00:14:15
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Her job has been reduced? Is she no longer a full-on mod?
Interesting, what is the source for this information? |
| Purple Dragon Knight |
Posted - 31 May 2004 : 20:25:29
quote:
Originally posted by Crust
Even before the novels forum was banned, I didn't like the atmosphere of the FR boards anyway. Ever since Big Sister appeared with her dizzingly annoying, screaming-faced avatar, I've been slowly driven crazy. Her heavy-handed moderation of those boards took all the fun out of them. She's annoying, and I'm glad that her job has been reduced to being a member of the "novel gestapo."
Ditto on the screaming-faced avatar... |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 31 May 2004 : 19:47:56
quote:
Originally posted by Crust
Even before the novels forum was banned, I didn't like the atmosphere of the FR boards anyway. Ever since Big Sister appeared with her dizzingly annoying, screaming-faced avatar, I've been slowly driven crazy. Her heavy-handed moderation of those boards took all the fun out of them. She's annoying, and I'm glad that her job has been reduced to being a member of the "novel gestapo."
Her job has been reduced? Is she no longer a full-on mod? |
| Crust |
Posted - 31 May 2004 : 18:48:52
Even before the novels forum was banned, I didn't like the atmosphere of the FR boards anyway. Ever since Big Sister appeared with her dizzingly annoying, screaming-faced avatar, I've been slowly driven crazy. Her heavy-handed moderation of those boards took all the fun out of them. She's annoying, and I'm glad that her job has been reduced to being a member of the "novel gestapo." |
| OrnluTheWolf |
Posted - 24 May 2004 : 13:58:12
Maybe I'm just weird, but I could think of some cool things to do as a "letter of resignation" from WotC. Like post a 4 or 5 thousand word essay badmouthing my superiors, or simply go down the alphabetical list of users, issuing 3 bogus warnings to all so that they are banned. Or, post what really happened about the whole novel's thing. Posting the truth, that'd be sure to get you fired. |
| Mystery_Man |
Posted - 24 May 2004 : 13:12:11
When in doubt, ask. I won't reveal my source but they apparently do get paid, but it's minimum wage for a few hours a week. Certainly not enough to live on. It definitely wouldn't be enough for me personally to take the b.s. from a whole mess of people daily, especially if it's self induced, such as the whole novel discussion ban that WoTC would make me enforce. Heck, I'd just unilaterally ban everyone.  |
| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 24 May 2004 : 02:05:43
quote:
Originally posted by Darth KTrava
It's not much pay. I think something like $7 (American) an hour the last time they took applications.
They actually had the salary on the applications? Interesting.
What about benefits? 401k? Hasbro stock? |
| Darth KTrava |
Posted - 24 May 2004 : 01:33:35
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote:
Originally posted by SiriusBlack
quote:
Originally posted by Elf_Friend
Last I heard, mods don't get paid for doing it.
And last I heard, WOTC's moderators are paid.
I'd expect them to be... Moderating a forum of that size takes some work.
They do get paid. Used to, they didn't but that changed a year or two ago. And they work something like 4 hours a week or something like that. It's not much pay. I think something like $7 (American) an hour the last time they took applications.
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| OrnluTheWolf |
Posted - 23 May 2004 : 19:34:52
quote:
No disrespect intended to WotC, but I think we have a more mature bunch of posters over here.
Amen.
quote:
Yep, that's why they make the big $$$$.
I dunno about big bucks, but they MUST be paid. I'm of the opinion that they are underpaid.
I'm gonna quote myself, from the novel's forum discussion of this same topic:
quote:
I'm here on candlekeep solely for the novels section and only after I had been basicly kicked off of WotC forums. I'm a naturally opiniated person, so I've got alot to say about this, especially after the unnecessarily rude treatment I recieved from the WizO.
First:
While the administration obviously decieded that to disband the novel forum, they actually had a choice. On one hand, they could have expended much time and effort (mostly by the wizo's) to block/lock/delete any potentially copy-right enfringing posts, offensive posts, or irrelevant information. Or, they could have taken up an "information only" idealogy. They could have changed the CoC to not allow interactivity with the authors that would have been potentially harmful, but this also would have taken alot of work. Finally, they could have disbanded the forum entirely, which they did. Those chose the option involving the least work but also the one that stepped on the most toes.
Second:
I don't really have as much problem with the decision as I do with the execution of the policy. I was recently mistreated by BigSis, to the point where I wrote a very nasty and even profane email subtly begging to be permantly banned. The only thing I recieved in reply was a generic, automated response. My dirty letter never even got read. Also, the rules on what is/not acceptable are too vague.
Third:
These forums are WAY, WAY, WAY better anyway. For crying out loud, Elaine Cunningham, R.A. Salvatore, and Ed Greenwood frequent these forums. And most of the great authors that post here don't just answer questions, they make intelligent, lengthy posts that assist others rather than just one sentence posts that show their self-absorption. Elaine, if you're reading this, my extra-special thanks to you. I'm very impressed by the attitudes of you authors.
An' that's all I got to say, 'bout that. |
| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 23 May 2004 : 18:41:21
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I'd expect them to be... Moderating a forum of that size takes some work.
Yep, that's why they make the big $$$$. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 23 May 2004 : 17:51:12
quote:
Originally posted by SiriusBlack
quote:
Originally posted by Elf_Friend
Last I heard, mods don't get paid for doing it.
And last I heard, WOTC's moderators are paid.
I'd expect them to be... Moderating a forum of that size takes some work. |
| Sarelle |
Posted - 23 May 2004 : 17:44:16
quote:
Originally posted by SiriusBlack
quote:
Originally posted by Sarelle
but who cares - we've got Candlekeep! And let's not ruin that!
What exactly that any scribe has proposed in this thread causes you to worry about Candlekeep being ruined? 
I don't worry about it - a the moment these boards are lovely and are visited by mature and likable people. I just meant that we should not let the atmosphere at WotC seep into these boards.
And as other posters mentione - if the WotC boards got closed, Candlekeep (as a sort of Shadow cabinet to WotCs distant ruling party - a reference to the British political system, so don't worry if you think "What the *badger* is he on about!?") would be the second choice to WotC regulars. Some of whom helped create the WotC forums atmosphere. |
| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 23 May 2004 : 15:14:01
quote:
Originally posted by Elf_Friend
Last I heard, mods don't get paid for doing it.
And last I heard, WOTC's moderators are paid. |
| Mystery_Man |
Posted - 23 May 2004 : 14:46:05
quote:
Originally posted by Capn Charlie
Look, the policies you dislike have very little to do with sis. She is just doing her job: enforcing what those on high pass down to her.
I know that she, as well as many of the other mods, do not personally care for the way things are now. But it is not theiir jobs to dictate policy, just to enforce it.
And as cavalier as you might be, Elf_Friend, in an economy like this when jobs like this are scarce, I am fairly certain you would err on the side of not living in a cardboard box.
Last I heard, mods don't get paid for doing it. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 23 May 2004 : 06:29:09
quote:
Originally posted by Sarta
I don't want to think about what would happen to the forums here were WotC to shut down their boards.
Sarta
That's a really good point. If it wasn't for the WotC forums, then a lot of those people would be over here... And while I would certainly love to see a few specific individuals make that migration, there are also some that I'm glad are staying over there.
No disrespect intended to WotC, but I think we have a more mature bunch of posters over here. |
| Sarta |
Posted - 23 May 2004 : 05:10:53
I don't want to think about what would happen to the forums here were WotC to shut down their boards.
Sarta |
| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 23 May 2004 : 01:12:43
quote:
Originally posted by Sarelle
they could have just closed down the entire FR threads (yeah, unlikely, but still...)
As far as I'm concerned, they can shut down the WOTC FR board. Actually, I really wouldn't like that for one reason, but it has nothing to do with enjoying whatever is shared on that forum.
quote:
but who cares - we've got Candlekeep! And let's not ruin that!
What exactly that any scribe has proposed in this thread causes you to worry about Candlekeep being ruined? |
| Purple Dragon Knight |
Posted - 22 May 2004 : 22:08:59
quote:
Originally posted by Faraer
I should also say I never saw Woolly Rupert post anything that warranted banning, and he does seem to have been mistreated.
I'll second that. Wooly was a great contributor to the WotC Boards. This is partially why I think Big Sis must go... she has no depth perception, keeps whining that what's happening is not her fault and frankly does not inspire confidence in her remarks. |
| Faraer |
Posted - 22 May 2004 : 20:52:31
I should also say I never saw Woolly Rupert post anything that warranted banning, and he does seem to have been mistreated. |
| Faraer |
Posted - 22 May 2004 : 17:24:53
quote:
"Gods, I can't believe they nerfed "ability xx"; I HATE THIS GAME. Btw I'll be logging in for the raid in 10 thx."
Yes, what people do is a much better gauge of whether they like something than what they say. As Andrew Vachss says, behaviour is truth.
I've set up Microsoft Word to (Tools>)AutoCorrect Faerun to Faerūn. |
| Faraer |
Posted - 22 May 2004 : 17:12:40
There can be no question of tyranny or censorship on a private message board. Various policies and their application may be good or bad for the company or for the board users, but none of us has any right to insist the wizards.com boards be one way or another. We can just use them, or not.
I have to say that I mention novels quite often and haven't been warned for it.
This is the private message I sent WizO_BigSister in reference to this:quote:
I think the biggest reason not to forbid all mentions of novels is the great amount of Realmslore Ed Greenwood writes into his, especially as less lore is appearing in the sourcebooks. Many characters, places, and examples of how the Realms works (sayings, politics, merchant practices) appear only in his fiction, and it would seriously weaken and bias discussion of the Realms for that to be off-limits. People are less likely to bother making, for instance, lists of the sources of the FRCS dungeon list if they'll only be allowed to post incomplete versions.
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| Sarelle |
Posted - 22 May 2004 : 17:03:35
I can no more fathom WotC's pathetic kind of forum tyranny than any of the rest of you - but I really think we should (having got a board that we are all happy on, here) try and have a little persepective and maturity.
This decision is a policy of WotC, and though the moderation has been pathetically picky and even silly at times (i.e. Wooly's confusing experiences), we can't go and blame Big_Sis and the Wiz0s. Sure, it was them that banned you, but they could be doing worse - they could have just closed down the entire FR threads (yeah, unlikely, but still...)
And even if they are being ****s, sending hate-mail to them is pretty low. They are people, despite the appearance of being annoying robots. Blame WotC, not the (I'm sure) underpaid folks who must interact with the posters.
There really is no excuse for the odd way WotC have tackled this, but who cares - we've got Candlekeep! And let's not ruin that! |
| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 22 May 2004 : 14:24:08
quote:
Originally posted by Reefy
I don't like it but we don't really know enough about the motivation for it and likely never will.
Exactly and even if they came out and said, "Well, it was because of Reason X," I don't really trust WOTC to accept their word at face value. |
| SiriusBlack |
Posted - 22 May 2004 : 14:22:35
quote:
Originally posted by Purple Dragon Knight
Back on the topic at hand:
I've just posted a novel question on the "Ask Rich Baker" thread. Either Rich ignores it, answers it, gets me banned, but they sure can't lock that thread right?
Sirius starts whistling, "I fought the law and the law won..."  |
