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| TheZodz |
Posted - 22 Apr 2018 : 21:21:43
Hey everyone, new to the forum here!
I’m currently collaborating with authors on a book about the Feywild and I’ve been tasked with creating a 5e conversion of the LeShay race. I’m also writing a domain based on the Moonshae Isles. In hopes of not detracting from content already written years prior, I’d like to learn about all the lore of the LeShay and the Moonshae Isles (both Material Plane and Feywild I’d possible) from you guys.
I don’t have the time or money to purchase the books myself as much as I’d like to, so any correct lore on this side of the forgotten realms lore would be amazingly helpful!
Regards,
Zodiac O’Neill |
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| sfdragon |
Posted - 24 Apr 2018 : 01:20:20
WEll now Wooly, you have just edumificated me on something. I didn't know that candlekeep was hosted in the UK |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 23 Apr 2018 : 22:40:40
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay
Okay, I am not trying to argue with you at all, this is just one of those areas of 'internet law' that confuses me.
We have articles here on this site that appeared on the WotC site. There is another site (I forget the name) that hosts tons of the old online FR articles, verbatim. We also have things like the wiki, and while they try to avoid word-for-word copying of info, do use tons of canon maps. There are also things like the Wayback Machine, and someone has a site with most of the stuff from the old WotC forums on it.
All of which, WotC/Hasbro just ignores.
I am just wondering at what point it becomes 'illegal'. I thought mainly, they only really go after people trying to make money off their stuff (directly, or indirectly). But then, doesn't ads on the wiki qualify for that? Its such a blurry line. So suppose I found a link on the Wayback Machine or elsewhere with the original article - would we be able to post THAT link here?
Just trying to clarify is all. I assume anything that was once 'sold' (even if it as given away for free for awhile) is a no-no, but if the article was free to begin with? I've also had authors send me their pre-edited versions of articles they've written for things like Dragon Magazine... how legal is that? I know I can't share it (even without signing an NDA), but they seem to think that so long as it's not the finished piece, it's still their property. There is a such a big 'gray area' where creative stuff is concerned.
So far as I know -- and I'm not a lawyer, nor do I play one on TV -- if something is distributed by a legal copyright holder than it's fine, anyone else has to have permission.
There's wiggle room, there, of course -- pre-submitted stuff isn't owned by WotC yet, wikis use summations and don't quote published work verbatim, etc.
The Wayback Machine is an interesting one; I'm not even going to claim to know how that one is legal. I just figure it must be, or WotC would have gone after them.
There's a lot of wiggle room in "reasonable use," but on Candlekeep, we err on the side of caution when it comes to sharing more than just a few paragraphs.
Also, I only know about US laws, and then, not a lot. Candlekeep is hosted in the UK, according to a quick lookup I just did (I was pretty sure it was; a quick online check confirmed it). I'm not up on UK copyright laws. |
| Lord Karsus |
Posted - 23 Apr 2018 : 22:24:06
quote:
Originally posted by TheZodz
Are there any other books related to the LeShay or Moonshae Isles lore?
-In terms of the Moonshae Isles, there's:
The Moonshae Trilogy
The Druidhome Trilogy (basically a sequel to the Moonshae Trilogy)
Moonshae (2e sourcebook)
-In terms of leShay, it's basically just that one article. They were a 3e creation in the Epic Level Handbook, so they're relatively new in terms of D&D lore and mythos. Afterwards, the idea was kicked around that the leShay were the Forgotten Realms Fey Creator Race. That was either outright confirmed or heavily alluded to in the online DRAGON Magazine article (Realmslore: Sarifal is what it was called). I believe that in Darkvision or Stardeep- I'm 75% sure it was a Bruce Cordell novel, since he also has cover credits on the Epic Level Handbook- the leShay are depicted on ancient hieroglyphics or something to that effect, highlighting their ancient presence in the Forgotten Realms and hinting that they are the Fey Creator Race. |
| Markustay |
Posted - 23 Apr 2018 : 22:22:57
Okay, I am not trying to argue with you at all, this is just one of those areas of 'internet law' that confuses me.
We have articles here on this site that appeared on the WotC site. There is another site (I forget the name) that hosts tons of the old online FR articles, verbatim. We also have things like the wiki, and while they try to avoid word-for-word copying of info, do use tons of canon maps. There are also things like the Wayback Machine, and someone has a site with most of the stuff from the old WotC forums on it.
All of which, WotC/Hasbro just ignores.
I am just wondering at what point it becomes 'illegal'. I thought mainly, they only really go after people trying to make money off their stuff (directly, or indirectly). But then, doesn't ads on the wiki qualify for that? Its such a blurry line. So suppose I found a link on the Wayback Machine or elsewhere with the original article - would we be able to post THAT link here?
Just trying to clarify is all. I assume anything that was once 'sold' (even if it as given away for free for awhile) is a no-no, but if the article was free to begin with? I've also had authors send me their pre-edited versions of articles they've written for things like Dragon Magazine... how legal is that? I know I can't share it (even without signing an NDA), but they seem to think that so long as it's not the finished piece, it's still their property. There is a such a big 'gray area' where creative stuff is concerned. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 23 Apr 2018 : 21:41:28
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay
I'm not sure what the status of an online article that was originally posted FOR FREE for everyone to enjoy would be - it seems to me that sharing a link to that is not at all like sharing a published book (which is out-right piracy). I notice the maps that went with the article the FRwiki freely uses.
But Wooly would know better than I.
And there is the bizarre precedent they set when they took down all their free (old) content, and are now selling it via PDF's.
Sharing a link to where it's hosted by an authorized source is fine. It's sharing the file itself, without authorization, that gets legally murky. We try to avoid that, here.  |
| Markustay |
Posted - 23 Apr 2018 : 19:26:41
I'm not sure what the status of an online article that was originally posted FOR FREE for everyone to enjoy would be - it seems to me that sharing a link to that is not at all like sharing a published book (which is out-right piracy). I notice the maps that went with the article the FRwiki freely uses.
But Wooly would know better than I.
And there is the bizarre precedent they set when they took down all their free (old) content, and are now selling it via PDF's. |
| TheZodz |
Posted - 23 Apr 2018 : 08:39:58
Ah drats, a PDF would be handy but in that case I’ll see if I can find an online issue of the magazine. I know the D&D Forgotten Realms wiki has some information on the LeShay but it’s only the barebones basics like stats and such. Are there any other books related to the LeShay or Moonshae Isles lore? |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 23 Apr 2018 : 03:40:44
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Originally posted by BenN
I've got the PDF of the Moonshaes/Sarifal article on my computer at home. I'm not sure if its kosher to share it?
Unless you've express written permission to share material with WotC's copyright, all that can be shared is excerpts and quotes, and those need to be properly cited. |
| BenN |
Posted - 23 Apr 2018 : 01:00:29
I've got the PDF of the Moonshaes/Sarifal article on my computer at home. I'm not sure if its kosher to share it?
I would avoid The Rose of Sarifal; it is a terrible novel, and its 'lore' is just weird (e.g. emo Llewyrr elves with human slaves). |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 23 Apr 2018 : 00:04:50
You'd be better off buying the books. There's only so much info that can be shared on a forum, and a lot of it would summations of published material -- which means particular details could be left out or misinterpreted quite readily. |
| Lord Karsus |
Posted - 23 Apr 2018 : 00:02:22
-I have no clue where it might be accessed anymore since the old link I know of just goes to a 404 error, but 90% of the lore about Sarifal comes from one of the DRAGON magazine online issue 376, from 2009 (Jesus, it was that long ago). A tiny bit was mentioned in the Grand History of the Realms and the 4e Forgotten Realms Campaign Guide, but nothing that wasn't covered in even more detail in said online article.
-There is apparently a book, The Rose of Sarifal. Never heard of it before, it came out in 2012. Never read it, but based on the description on the back of the book, it doesn't look very good to be honest. The so-so ratings on Amazon and Goodreads seem to concur. |
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