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| Gyor |
Posted - 02 Apr 2018 : 20:27:36
Okay Elves, Humans, Dwarves, Duegar, Dragons, Halflings, Gnomes, Orcs, Gobliniods, Kobolds, Drow, all have their pantheon and I'm been thinking based partly on MTOF previews and partly on the SCAG that perhaps a Tiefling Pantheon is involving.
In 4e the Archdevils are considered a part of the Faerun Pantheon, although except for Asmodeaus are not true full Gods, although they had a limited ability to grant divine magic via dark rites (the boss man as a true deity didn't need these rites to grant magic).
As if that wasn't enough some Mulhorandi Gods took Tieflings as hosts and all seem to have a mix of Aasimar, Tiefling, and Human blood relatives from interbreeding.
And in the SCAG it's mentioned some deities are appearing to Tieflings in their dreams in Tiefling forms with Tiefling names and titles.
Could this be the beginning of a Tiefling Pantheon? |
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| Gyor |
Posted - 13 Apr 2018 : 17:15:52
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Originally posted by sleyvas
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Originally posted by LordofBones
Tieflings aren't substantial enough to have a racial god. It would be like having a racial deity of aasimar, or a racial deity of one-eyed pirates who say 'yaaar!'.
The one-eyed pirates of the Iron Islands who say "yaar!" all worship Yara... I mean if worship consists of leering at her and thinking lewd thoughts.
http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Yara_Greyjoy
Pathfinder I believe does have a Pirate Goddess. |
| LordofBones |
Posted - 10 Apr 2018 : 10:28:38
Well, if a halfling eating a halfling is addition, he'd be full.
If a halfling eating a halfling is multiplication, he'd be 25% full. |
| moonbeast |
Posted - 10 Apr 2018 : 08:38:22
If a cannibal halfling ate another halfling. Would the cannibal still be half-hungry?
Deep Thoughts. |
| LordofBones |
Posted - 07 Apr 2018 : 09:42:53
To be fair, it's Midgard. Athas has cannibal halflings. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 06 Apr 2018 : 13:27:56
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Originally posted by moonbeast
I'm sure a gnome would experiment sleeping with a fiend…. just out of curiosity.
Midgard's gnomes likely would. After breaking a deal with Baba Yaga, one of their royals made a deal with the Eleven Hells, to get some protection from Baba Yaga. So the gnomes are very much not to be trusted -- they've a habit of grabbing people to sacrifice to the Eleven Hells. |
| moonbeast |
Posted - 06 Apr 2018 : 12:36:23
I'm sure a gnome would experiment sleeping with a fiend…. just out of curiosity. |
| LordofBones |
Posted - 05 Apr 2018 : 14:32:17
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Originally posted by sleyvas
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Originally posted by LordofBones
Presumably, gnomes just aren't that interested in conjuration, much less sleeping with fiends. While humans have a diverse array of evil powers that include powers of seduction and lust, evil to the gnomes is best exemplified by Urdlen, who represents RAINS OF BLOOD THE EARTH SCREAMING IN AGONY PAIN TORMENT DEATH SLAUGHTER OH GARL MAKE IT STOP I BEG YOU-
I thought he represented NO! I didn't mean to put that furry thing down IN THERE! OWWWWW, IT'S BITING!!! OOWWWWW, Please take it out! Take it out! It's burrowing!
Nah, that's the Glutton, from Races of Stone. I'm going to quote Afroakuma from the GitP forums here:
The Glutton is a lesser deity, whereas Urdlen is an intermediate power. Maw vs. mole. Heavy mace vs. claw bracer. Destruction and Strength vs. Earth and Hatred. Giant badger vs. giant mutant albino mole. So the broad strokes are different.
The Glutton is a venal and petty deity of disaster and greed, blamed for rotten luck and serving as the gnome boogeyman. He takes gnomes as servants and is big into demons and general ruin and disorder.
Urdlen is something worse.
A nightmare force of sheer hate, Urdlen tears through its realm in the Abyss in maddened "patterns" that leave tunnels where his petitioners struggle, hoping not to get caught in the path of their god. No myths tell of his awakening; the truth is either unknown or - more likely - has been blotted out by the other gnomish deities, who do not comprehend the blind, alien malevolence Urdlen embodies. Urdlen is worshiped by spriggans and may have had a hand in their creation. It is obsessed with blood and the draining of vital forces, and to contact it (as a priest or otherwise) involves getting a minor hemorrhage (1d4 damage). Urdlen hates you.
So that's the basic setup. The Glutton's who you call upon if you're crazy or exiled, and want to break up communities or steal lots of gold or collapse a tunnel. Urdlen's the one you call if blood bubbling hot and crimson let it flood wash the cracked earth in the red rain seas arise and all shall yield their pitiful lot fluids spill into the ocean that makes whole the rock and when all consumed become then the egg splits and the great poison leaks forth |
| sleyvas |
Posted - 05 Apr 2018 : 12:40:14
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Originally posted by LordofBones
Presumably, gnomes just aren't that interested in conjuration, much less sleeping with fiends. While humans have a diverse array of evil powers that include powers of seduction and lust, evil to the gnomes is best exemplified by Urdlen, who represents RAINS OF BLOOD THE EARTH SCREAMING IN AGONY PAIN TORMENT DEATH SLAUGHTER OH GARL MAKE IT STOP I BEG YOU-
I thought he represented NO! I didn't mean to put that furry thing down IN THERE! OWWWWW, IT'S BITING!!! OOWWWWW, Please take it out! Take it out! It's burrowing! |
| sleyvas |
Posted - 05 Apr 2018 : 12:37:12
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Originally posted by LordofBones
Tieflings aren't substantial enough to have a racial god. It would be like having a racial deity of aasimar, or a racial deity of one-eyed pirates who say 'yaaar!'.
The one-eyed pirates of the Iron Islands who say "yaar!" all worship Yara... I mean if worship consists of leering at her and thinking lewd thoughts.
http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Yara_Greyjoy
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| LordofBones |
Posted - 05 Apr 2018 : 12:30:02
Presumably, gnomes just aren't that interested in conjuration, much less sleeping with fiends. While humans have a diverse array of evil powers that include powers of seduction and lust, evil to the gnomes is best exemplified by Urdlen, who represents RAINS OF BLOOD THE EARTH SCREAMING IN AGONY PAIN TORMENT DEATH SLAUGHTER OH GARL MAKE IT STOP I BEG YOU-
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| sfdragon |
Posted - 05 Apr 2018 : 08:09:14
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Originally posted by moonbeast
Gnomish tieflings? I've never seen a horned gnome.
they don't exist, or so the illusion is.
wild rumor is that they have their tails cut off and their horns removed and filed down to the skull....
yeah barbarians those gnomes
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| moonbeast |
Posted - 05 Apr 2018 : 03:39:42
Gnomish tieflings? I've never seen a horned gnome. |
| Elren_Wolfsbane |
Posted - 04 Apr 2018 : 16:17:25
Ah,ok. After some reading all I have to do is slight adjustments,and this will work to my story. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 04 Apr 2018 : 15:33:14
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Originally posted by Elren_Wolfsbane
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Originally posted by Ayrik
Consider the daemonfey/fey'ri of the Realms ... they aren't proper cambions/tieflings and they have their own history detached from Asmodeus.
They do not seem to worship any particular deity/power. They only serve House Dlardrageth (and their leader, "Queen"/"Countess" Sarya Dlardrageth, along with her fiendish consorts). They also nominally serve the dream of reasserting their "noble" elven House in a rebuilt Aryvandaar (along with, probably, their burning desire to inflict their punishment/vengeance/dominance onto those who exiled and imprisoned them) - in effect, they have no "faith" but plenty of "idealism".
I'm using Fey'ri and I'm curious to know how tieflings make fey'ri. Do they mate with fey? Or do they have a ritual to make fey'ri?
The fey'ri are descended from gold elf/tanar'ri pairings. |
| Elren_Wolfsbane |
Posted - 04 Apr 2018 : 14:42:25
quote:
Originally posted by Ayrik
Consider the daemonfey/fey'ri of the Realms ... they aren't proper cambions/tieflings and they have their own history detached from Asmodeus.
They do not seem to worship any particular deity/power. They only serve House Dlardrageth (and their leader, "Queen"/"Countess" Sarya Dlardrageth, along with her fiendish consorts). They also nominally serve the dream of reasserting their "noble" elven House in a rebuilt Aryvandaar (along with, probably, their burning desire to inflict their punishment/vengeance/dominance onto those who exiled and imprisoned them) - in effect, they have no "faith" but plenty of "idealism".
I'm using Fey'ri and I'm curious to know how tieflings make fey'ri. Do they mate with fey? Or do they have a ritual to make fey'ri? |
| Wrigley |
Posted - 04 Apr 2018 : 11:38:50
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Originally posted by CorellonsDevout
Not necessarily. Half-elves have been known to worship a variety of deities, including members of the Seldarine. Some, of course, may worship deities exemplifying loners (some may even worship Fenmarel), but they are just as likely to worship a deity best aligning with their moral outlook, whichever part of the heritage they identify most strongly with, or the deity of their parent(s).
I will agree with you however about the tieflings.
And I agree with you about half-elves as I thought that was what I wrote :-)
I do not know about deamonfey venerating any demon or even devil! As purists I believe they still venerate Seldarin althou probably without their blessing. |
| sfdragon |
Posted - 04 Apr 2018 : 04:09:30
likely malkazid.....( yeah I cant spell it) or the fiend who started the taint in the first place |
| CorellonsDevout |
Posted - 04 Apr 2018 : 04:07:39
There are probably powers of the Hells that are venerated by the fey'ri (or at least some of them), but that is something I would have to look in to. |
| Ayrik |
Posted - 04 Apr 2018 : 01:58:49
Consider the daemonfey/fey'ri of the Realms ... they aren't proper cambions/tieflings and they have their own history detached from Asmodeus.
They do not seem to worship any particular deity/power. They only serve House Dlardrageth (and their leader, "Queen"/"Countess" Sarya Dlardrageth, along with her fiendish consorts). They also nominally serve the dream of reasserting their "noble" elven House in a rebuilt Aryvandaar (along with, probably, their burning desire to inflict their punishment/vengeance/dominance onto those who exiled and imprisoned them) - in effect, they have no "faith" but plenty of "idealism". |
| CorellonsDevout |
Posted - 04 Apr 2018 : 01:21:30
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Originally posted by Wrigley
Almost every mortal look for a patron diety that he can most relate to with his world view, character and occupation. For example half-elves take mostly such patrons who exemplify outsiders, loners and exiles because that is what they are. That is because of their mixed heretige of two cultures. It should be a little worse for tieflings as their tie is towards lower planes. If some tiefling would be a respected member of some human village where he works as a gardener he would probably take Chauntea as his patron.
Not necessarily. Half-elves have been known to worship a variety of deities, including members of the Seldarine. Some, of course, may worship deities exemplifying loners (some may even worship Fenmarel), but they are just as likely to worship a deity best aligning with their moral outlook, whichever part of the heritage they identify most strongly with, or the deity of their parent(s).
I will agree with you however about the tieflings. |
| CorellonsDevout |
Posted - 04 Apr 2018 : 01:16:47
Tieflings don't have a set pantheon (other than 4e having ties to Asmodeus), and thus can probably choose whichever deity they want. Magadon Kest, for example, would sometimes say "Goddess", but it is unclear exactly whom he was referring to. Mielikki, perhaps. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 03 Apr 2018 : 21:04:27
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Originally posted by LordofBones
Overpowers aren't counted, O Master of Mischief.
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| LordofBones |
Posted - 03 Apr 2018 : 16:20:02
Overpowers aren't counted, O Master of Mischief. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 03 Apr 2018 : 16:10:04
quote:
Originally posted by LordofBones
Tieflings aren't substantial enough to have a racial god. It would be like having a racial deity of aasimar, or a racial deity of one-eyed pirates who say 'yaaar!'.
The Flying Spaghetti Monster favors pirates. They are touched by His Noodly Appendage.  |
| LordofBones |
Posted - 03 Apr 2018 : 13:16:55
Tieflings aren't substantial enough to have a racial god. It would be like having a racial deity of aasimar, or a racial deity of one-eyed pirates who say 'yaaar!'. |
| Wrigley |
Posted - 03 Apr 2018 : 10:49:33
Almost every mortal look for a patron diety that he can most relate to with his world view, character and occupation. For example half-elves take mostly such patrons who exemplify outsiders, loners and exiles because that is what they are. That is because of their mixed heretige of two cultures. It should be a little worse for tieflings as their tie is towards lower planes. If some tiefling would be a respected member of some human village where he works as a gardener he would probably take Chauntea as his patron.
When there will be a large group of thieflings veneration some diety there is a possibility that such a diety will gain a domain of thieflings but that would be a long run. Also there is a possibility that some heroic tiefling will gain a divine spark himself and focus on his heretige as a powerbase thus creating a tiefling domain. |
| Ayrik |
Posted - 03 Apr 2018 : 07:14:31
Hmm, correct, 1E cambions were half-human/half-demon, my mistake. |
| AuldDragon |
Posted - 03 Apr 2018 : 06:33:50
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Originally posted by Ayrik
And 1E only offered cambions (half-human / half-devil) and alu-fiends (half-human / half-succubus/fiend), along with a few of their demihuman variants.
Just to clarify, both of these were tanar'ri/demons. Alu-fiends were the offspring of human males and succubi, and cambions were male offspring of male tanar'ri/demons and human females. There were no devilish or daemonic halfbreeds or partbreeds in 1e (as a specific monster type, at least).
Jeff |
| Gyor |
Posted - 03 Apr 2018 : 04:00:23
It was simply Asmo, but Tiefling incarnations of various Gods, that look like Tieflings. |
| Zeromaru X |
Posted - 03 Apr 2018 : 02:57:57
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Originally posted by Ayrik
I'd thought 4E (and 5E) tieflings were a proper true-breeding race spawned by Asmodeus to worship him?
Yes and no. It's true that this was the aim of Asmodeus when he devised his corrupting ritual (a ritual that tainted many tiefling lineages across Toril to make their child to have Asmodean tieflings, and then make Asmodean tieflings' children always have Asmodean lineage regardless of the other parent's race/lineage). He wanted to be a racial god, as those tend to be more powerful.
This failed spectacularly. He gained tieflings converts, yes. As he gained humans or dwarves. But NOT all the tiefling race, as he was expecting. As Irennan already said, they lack a unified racial cultural background, and individuals adopt the one from the place they live, so they worship whatever god suits them.
So, mulhorandi tieflings can worship the mulhorandi gods, but I can expect a tiefling raised in Waterdeep worshiping Selune or Gond, or whatever other god. |
