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| Realms Voyager |
Posted - 12 Dec 2017 : 21:56:52
In Dissolution the 1st book in the War of the Spider Queen book series Quenthel Baenre fights a demon sent by her brother Gromph that is the absolute personification of chaos. It has no set shape and can affect nearby beings just by simple proximity. Initially Quenthel manages to wound it several times with a spell that seems to be the 9th level arcane spell called the Black Blade of Destruction (which as far as I know is an arcane spell so how did Qhenthel manage to cast it since she is a priestess with no arcane spellcasting ability ? Even from a scroll.). This is a movable planar rift so its "edge" is perfectly sharp. The chaos demon manages to take control of the spell and use it aginst Quenthel so she then uses another scroll that creates an area dominated by Law which is the antithesis of Chaos and this makes the chaos demon vulnerable to an ordinary weapon (an apparently nonmagical crossbow). Qhenthel then destroys the chaos demon with that simple crossbow. Does anyone know what spell she used to create the region of Law ? Is it an arcane or divine spell ?
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| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 19 Dec 2017 : 19:53:17
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Originally posted by Markustay
She cast the ultimate Divine Magic spell (requested not from Lolth, but from the even greater god, Aw-tharr) - Summon Plot-Armor. 
Seriously, is it any worse than, "Mighty dragon defeats and takes-over entire dwarf kingdom, and keeps elven kingdom scared and at-bay for centuries, but little ranger dude shoots single (non-magical) arrow at it and kills it" (what? You thought I was talking about Mithral Hall there for a moment?)
It's called a critical hit. |
| Thojan Ralwens |
Posted - 19 Dec 2017 : 19:22:35
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Originally posted by Markustay
"Mighty dragon defeats and takes-over entire dwarf kingdom, and keeps elven kingdom scared and at-bay for centuries, but little ranger dude shoots single (non-magical) arrow at it and kills it" (what? You thought I was talking about Mithral Hall there for a moment?)
Wasn't the black arrow supposed to be a one-of-a-kind ever-returning forged-by-dwarf-king arrow ? ^^
But indeed I agree with you. I usually use that "cinematic mode" whenever a player rolls a 20 or describe a brilliant RP interaction. In a story that would be in a climatic encounter. Game rules are just a canevas, after all. |
| Markustay |
Posted - 19 Dec 2017 : 16:36:26
She cast the ultimate Divine Magic spell (requested not from Lolth, but from the even greater god, Aw-tharr) - Summon Plot-Armor.
Seriously, is it any worse than, "Mighty dragon defeats and takes-over entire dwarf kingdom, and keeps elven kingdom scared and at-bay for centuries, but little ranger dude shoots single (non-magical) arrow at it and kills it" (what? You thought I was talking about Mithral Hall there for a moment?) |
| sfdragon |
Posted - 19 Dec 2017 : 09:52:43
funny thing though the fr wiki does not show a divine variant of bbod ...
umd skill will allow her to use arcane spell scrolls. and I would asssume her stats would have her with ranks in it. |
| TBeholder |
Posted - 19 Dec 2017 : 07:51:41
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Originally posted by Thojan Ralwens
This looks to me like it's "cinematic mode", as I call it, and away from the game system rules.
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But something bothers me. Isn't Quentel chaos aligned ? She shouldn't be able to cast a law spell, then, hm ?
Yup. It looks like another thing the author did not bother to check.
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Originally posted by George Krashos
The first spell is "Black Blade of Disaster" which is a wizard spell and Quenthel shouldn't be able to cast. But hey, she may have prayed for and received the clerical version.
She cast everything from scrolls, though it's mostly back to the same.
The second raises a question about divine scrolls from non-allied deities.
The problem is, the book not only didn't mention Black Blade of Disaster as the clerical variant of an arcane spell, it says "known only to the priestesses of Lolth". Which is from The Drow of the Underdark, so mostly it looks like Byers perused tables of content, but never read actual details of the rules (at this point, anyway).
WotC series are rather sloppy IMO, if not nearly as sloppy as LP. |
| The Masked Mage |
Posted - 17 Dec 2017 : 05:29:02
As far as what spells Quenthel can cast as a priestess of Lolth, there is a simple answer. Lolth does not follow rules. Any rules. Certainly not the rules about what spells she should or should not allow her high priestesses access to; now why she might have such a spell memorized ahead of time is another question, but we can just write that off to divine inspiration :) |
| Thojan Ralwens |
Posted - 13 Dec 2017 : 09:56:04
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Originally posted by George KrashosI reckon the second spell is "Subvert Planar Essence" from Complete Divine.
Exactly ! That's the one I thought about. |
| George Krashos |
Posted - 13 Dec 2017 : 08:59:14
The first spell is "Black Blade of Disaster" which is a wizard spell and Quenthel shouldn't be able to cast. But hey, she may have prayed for and received the clerical version.
I reckon the second spell is "Subvert Planar Essence" from Complete Divine.
-- George Krashos |
| Thojan Ralwens |
Posted - 13 Dec 2017 : 08:45:48
This looks to me like it's "cinematic mode", as I call it, and away from the game system rules. To kill a significant demon with a mundane crossbow, that crossbow would need a insane critical (that's not Quenthel specialization), or instant-kill abilitie on it (even temporarely).
I remember a third edition spell that would remove/lower immunities and resistances from a creature (an exterior or a dragon, IIRC), but I can't manage to find it. There is one that negates undead immunities in Libris Mortis... There are also a few law-aligned power that might impede a chaos creature. You could imagine a combinaison of Dictum and coup-de-grāce againt the paralyzed demon (but it's level-dependant).
But something bothers me. Isn't Quentel chaos aligned ? She shouldn't be able to cast a law spell, then, hm ? |
| sfdragon |
Posted - 13 Dec 2017 : 01:38:05
........... times liek this I wish I had that 4e menzoborean book... or one of the 2e/3.x underdark books....
use magical device skill would allow her to use an arcane scroll.
the spell could be circle protection against chaos or a plot spell that is not named.
either way bbod is arcane and circle protection of family are both arcane and divine.
that also said,there are spells in the realms that are so rare that they are not listed anywhere; like that one harpell who had a variant of one of tensers work |
