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| Odin Highhammer |
Posted - 13 Feb 2017 : 19:54:08
Hi guys, could one of you help me solve this one?
From a diverse amount of sources we know that Telamont was Lord Shadow, and we know that Lord Shadow was born in -645 DR.
We are also aware that Thultanthar was created in -1471 DR, and that Telamont was the guy who was High Lord Arcanist of it.
This means that I am currently missing a part of the puzzle.
Was Thultanthar raised by a different Arcanist, and Lord Shadow took over? Or was Lord Shadow an alibi and Telamont was actually born far earlier, around -1700 DR-ish?
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| Wrigley |
Posted - 19 Feb 2017 : 01:14:15
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Originally posted by Markustay
So then she couldn't have been a Shar priestess, and probably not even a worshiper?
If Shar desired her death, maybe the mother was (secretly?) a priestess of Mystra instead?
Where do you see that she couldn't be a priestess? Do you think that Shar wouldn't let her priestesses be killed for a purpose?
Thank you George for enlightening us. It still feels to me like somebody's interpretation of the lore and not the lore itself. I will probably stick to priestess version. |
| Markustay |
Posted - 18 Feb 2017 : 20:07:46
So then she couldn't have been a Shar priestess, and probably not even a worshiper?
If Shar desired her death, maybe the mother was (secretly?) a priestess of Mystra instead? |
| George Krashos |
Posted - 18 Feb 2017 : 01:28:37
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Originally posted by Wrigley
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Originally posted by George Krashos
Paul Kemp did a short story on her death in "Realms of War".
-- George Krashos
Could you be so kind to tell me the dark of it? I am interested only in lore to not spoil the story for me or others.
The story is first set in -365 DR and has a few interesting features.
Firstly, Paul Kemp makes it clear that Telamont Tanthul is not the "Lord Shadow" of the Netheril boxed set, commenting that he is about to be elevated to the office of Most High, ruler of the Shade Enclave.
It details Rivalen's murder of his mother to cement his bond with Shar.
The death of Alashar was the catalyst for Telamont becoming a Shar worshipper himself.
It sets up Varra's passage into the future, carrying Cale's child.
It also ushers in the piece of luck that allows Brennus to discover Rivalen's matricide.
It provides little detail on Alashar herself.
-- George Krashos
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| Markustay |
Posted - 17 Feb 2017 : 21:25:11
"Can I get the 'Lady A'la Shar, and, ummm... I'll have a shake with that". 
Most of the place names do have a connection with Shar, although how much so is a matter of conjecture (for example, a valley could have 'shar' in the name, just because its in the shadows of the mountains around it). Ed has also confirmed to me (in his thread) that THE Shaar is so named because of a connection to Shar, but he would elaborate no further (see my example above - it may just be trivial... or not).
That Telemont's wife may have been a high Priestess makes a lot of sense, and deities are known to possess the bodies of their followers for various reasons, procreation being one of them.
In one of my posts above (and thanks to Cyrinishad's RW observations) I mentioned deities 'going mad' slowly over time because of all the times they are forced to 'split' their minds. the most obvious and probably most common example of this is when they create (self-aware) Avatars. It must be a bit of a system-shock every time the re-merge these bits back into themselves, having two different sets of memories for the same exact time frame. Likely a minor headache at the time, but such things could easily build-up over millennia, causing mental illness. There are also instances where they absorb other beings (and depending on the power-level of that being how much effort it would take to suppress those alternate memories and persona), or are absorbed themselves (only to be 'spit out' at a later date, which would probably drive anyone mad), or purposely merge with other gods to create an amalgam/tripartite deity, or even a mortal to create a major Manifestation (we need a new word for those things - its too confusing with regular godly manifestations. Too bad 'proxy' is taken - how about 'Exemplar' - a human that has been conjoined with a deific avatar?)
So all these instances of releasing some power into a self-aware form, and sometimes absorbing them back, and other times giving them away to create something new (like causing a demi-power to ascend), or absorbing someone else's - this would create layers upon layers of different memories, and would become harder and harder - even for a 'god' - to separate them all over time. In the case of someone like Cyric, he probably created too many avatars too soon, and couldn't handle it so close to his own ascension, and that's what drove him from just being an evil git to being stark-raving mad. Maybe he even absorbed a few lesser quasi-divine beings as well (I thought there was at least one deity he usurped/absorbed, aside from the Dark Three).
And then we have the Dark Three - absorbing all that already-crazy divinity from the Seven Lost Gods, and then also getting some of Jergal's power as well (imagine having a sliver of Jergal inside your head!)
Its no wonder the gods act like idiots, or petulent children - the 'Heavens' are a damn insane asylum!  |
| Wrigley |
Posted - 17 Feb 2017 : 20:48:25
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Originally posted by George Krashos
Paul Kemp did a short story on her death in "Realms of War".
-- George Krashos
Could you be so kind to tell me the dark of it? I am interested only in lore to not spoil the story for me or others. |
| Wrigley |
Posted - 17 Feb 2017 : 20:46:29
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Originally posted by Ari
Sorry, it's a little personal to me so it can be hard to not comment. No offense meant.
That sounds like an excellent idea. And it would fit with both the symbolic nature of the killing(I am stronger than the status quo) and the very real need of the Shadovar Netherese for stability and continuity of government. Their whole world is gone, they were plunged into a murky realm of shadows that drink blood, only by the might and mercy of their patron goddess did they have a prayer and Shar isn't the kind to forget when she's owed something.
Incidents like the Greeley Arctic expedition and the raft of the Medusa show pretty clearly how much not just strength but predictability counts in leaders keeping order. Marrying the High Priestess of Shar/taking (the heir of?) a High Arcanist for husband wouldn't just make political sense, it'd send a comforting message to the other Shadovar. Taking it one step further than Alexander of Macedon: "Nothing has changed, not even the name of the king!"
Though that name, Alashar, makes me wonder about all the other people/places in the Realms with 'shar' in their name. It's a little hard to see anyone wanting to allude to the all-consuming forces of darkness and eternal night if they don't largely owe their current existence to said all-consuming eternal. I know some of it is just because of random name generators, also lazy accidents, but I still wonder about it.
I think about it as that it has a meaning that I just probably do not know. For exaple Shaar savana bother me for long time...
Lets say that Alashar was a high priestess of Shar from dedicated family that had already some planar (shadow plane?) infusion so her name is in the honor of Shar with prefix Ala (like Alu-fiend) meaning related to Shar. She married Lord Shadow only later when whole enclave was "saved" from the fall of Netheril by the will of Shar (it seems quite obvious "coincidence" that they phased just before Karsus Folly). To stabilize the situation he embraced Shar as his formal patron (she would be probably already his personal diety but it might not be so popular in Netheril with all that Mystryl around). For that he and his family were changed to Shades as a reward that would be later given also to other worthy candidates from city (they might also just find a way to make the change by the will of Shar later as they use arcanist ritual for it).
Why she was killed by Rivalen is another question maybe it was Rivalens ambition that drove him to claim her post by killing her. That would be in sinc with his drive to make his own place on Toril once they returned (lifting Sakkors and making it his enclave). |
| sleyvas |
Posted - 17 Feb 2017 : 13:41:50
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Originally posted by Markustay
Besides, if she used two different avatars, even Freud would have to be okay with it. 
And if she is/was as bat-crap crazy as I am starting to think she is, she has multiple-personality disorder (something I would imagine 'gods' are prone to), and she may not even be aware she was also his mother.
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Originally posted by Cyrinishad
...It's funny, the portrayal of gods as behaving like petulant spoiled children (in both the Realms and in Mythology), while we mortals shake our heads and say to ourselves "Aren't they supposed to be the ones acting like grown-ups instead of us?"... To be very much reflective of a dynamic I've seen between Adults and their aging parents... Especially after an Adult begins raising their own children and assume the mantle of responsibility for their family, their aging parents attitudes/behaviors/memories/emotions start becoming perceived as more erratic/inconsistent/childish...
A deity with Alzheimer's/dimentia? 
Thats not only VERY frightening, it could explain a LOT. The older a deity gets, and the more times its had to 'split' itself (for whatever reason), the more 'fractured' its mind becomes. The oldest deities would be the CRAZIEST,,, hence, 'Elder Evils'.
Thats a nifty little concept ya' got there. Its got tons of traction. Novel-worthy even. You've just added a whole 'nother tier to the 'circle of life' (new gods MUST kill the old gods... before they destroy everything).
"All the gods are mad, Berk, some are just madder than others"
----- Galivar of the Bleak Cabal,
mere moments before he was murdered by an agent of a mad god
Hmmmm, also fits with the whole Lolth splitting herself thing as well. Just wondering, officially did she ever join all those separate entities back into one? I could have sworn I read a blurb somewhere that said she did, but I could have read it on a forum as well knowing my memory. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 17 Feb 2017 : 10:07:57
quote:
Originally posted by Ari
Though that name, Alashar, makes me wonder about all the other people/places in the Realms with 'shar' in their name. It's a little hard to see anyone wanting to allude to the all-consuming forces of darkness and eternal night if they don't largely owe their current existence to said all-consuming eternal. I know some of it is just because of random name generators, also lazy accidents, but I still wonder about it.
The average person in the Realms, when referencing Shar, isn't thinking about all-consuming darkness and eternal night. They're referencing to someone that represents darkness, secrecy, and relief from the pain of loss. |
| George Krashos |
Posted - 17 Feb 2017 : 06:22:58
Paul Kemp did a short story on her death in "Realms of War".
-- George Krashos |
| Ari |
Posted - 17 Feb 2017 : 04:19:30
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Originally posted by Wrigley
First please do not bring gender equivality into Realms. It is one of the most accepting world I know.
However I think that you are right in that this woman (Lord Shadow's wife) should have been more prominent in this story as Shar prefers women. Could she have been former high priestess of Shar before Rivalen killed her? She almost had to be from some higher position for him to take her as wife but we know almost nothing about her.
So her name was Alashar (according to FR wiki)...
Sorry, it's a little personal to me so it can be hard to not comment. No offense meant.
That sounds like an excellent idea. And it would fit with both the symbolic nature of the killing(I am stronger than the status quo) and the very real need of the Shadovar Netherese for stability and continuity of government. Their whole world is gone, they were plunged into a murky realm of shadows that drink blood, only by the might and mercy of their patron goddess did they have a prayer and Shar isn't the kind to forget when she's owed something.
Incidents like the Greeley Arctic expedition and the raft of the Medusa show pretty clearly how much not just strength but predictability counts in leaders keeping order. Marrying the High Priestess of Shar/taking (the heir of?) a High Arcanist for husband wouldn't just make political sense, it'd send a comforting message to the other Shadovar. Taking it one step further than Alexander of Macedon: "Nothing has changed, not even the name of the king!"
Though that name, Alashar, makes me wonder about all the other people/places in the Realms with 'shar' in their name. It's a little hard to see anyone wanting to allude to the all-consuming forces of darkness and eternal night if they don't largely owe their current existence to said all-consuming eternal. I know some of it is just because of random name generators, also lazy accidents, but I still wonder about it. |
| sleyvas |
Posted - 17 Feb 2017 : 03:29:23
Hmmm, definitely fits with the weird idea I had going with Velsharoon having ascended while sharing his spirit also with two former gods. He may have to do some kind of purge on his system to either get those deities dead.... or allow them to again gain their divinity somehow. |
| Markustay |
Posted - 16 Feb 2017 : 21:19:09
Besides, if she used two different avatars, even Freud would have to be okay with it.
And if she is/was as bat-crap crazy as I am starting to think she is, she has multiple-personality disorder (something I would imagine 'gods' are prone to), and she may not even be aware she was also his mother.
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Originally posted by Cyrinishad
...It's funny, the portrayal of gods as behaving like petulant spoiled children (in both the Realms and in Mythology), while we mortals shake our heads and say to ourselves "Aren't they supposed to be the ones acting like grown-ups instead of us?"... To be very much reflective of a dynamic I've seen between Adults and their aging parents... Especially after an Adult begins raising their own children and assume the mantle of responsibility for their family, their aging parents attitudes/behaviors/memories/emotions start becoming perceived as more erratic/inconsistent/childish...
A deity with Alzheimer's/dimentia?
Thats not only VERY frightening, it could explain a LOT. The older a deity gets, and the more times its had to 'split' itself (for whatever reason), the more 'fractured' its mind becomes. The oldest deities would be the CRAZIEST,,, hence, 'Elder Evils'.
Thats a nifty little concept ya' got there. Its got tons of traction. Novel-worthy even. You've just added a whole 'nother tier to the 'circle of life' (new gods MUST kill the old gods... before they destroy everything).
"All the gods are mad, Berk, some are just madder than others"
----- Galivar of the Bleak Cabal,
mere moments before he was murdered by an agent of a mad god |
| Gary Dallison |
Posted - 16 Feb 2017 : 19:22:55
I think i can be proud of that. I wasnt really going for the shock factor. I was just trying to weave together bits from the sourcebooks and what bits people said happened in novels. And then what i thought people might think shar capable of |
| Cyrinishad |
Posted - 16 Feb 2017 : 19:01:34
quote:
Originally posted by Odin Highhammer
Hi guys, could one of you help me solve this one?
From a diverse amount of sources we know that Telamont was Lord Shadow, and we know that Lord Shadow was born in -645 DR.
We are also aware that Thultanthar was created in -1471 DR, and that Telamont was the guy who was High Lord Arcanist of it.
This means that I am currently missing a part of the puzzle.
Was Thultanthar raised by a different Arcanist, and Lord Shadow took over? Or was Lord Shadow an alibi and Telamont was actually born far earlier, around -1700 DR-ish?
I need to know for a friend
Well, perhaps Lord Shadow being born in -645 DR is a metaphor that parallels Christianity's concept of being "born again", or a kind of "shadow baptism"... So, perhaps -645 DR is when Telamont's "spiritual" transformation was completed.
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Originally posted by dazzlerdal
At woolys request however i will no longer refer to it as god nonsense. I will forevermore refer to it as:
"The incredibly well thought out and balanced portrayal of divine beings (as spoiled teenagers)"
...It's funny, the portrayal of gods as behaving like petulant spoiled children (in both the Realms and in Mythology), while we mortals shake our heads and say to ourselves "Aren't they supposed to be the ones acting like grown-ups instead of us?"... To be very much reflective of a dynamic I've seen between Adults and their aging parents... Especially after an Adult begins raising their own children and assume the mantle of responsibility for their family, their aging parents attitudes/behaviors/memories/emotions start becoming perceived as more erratic/inconsistent/childish...
Disclaimer: I'm definitely not making excuses for any of the times we've read something about the gods and had this  reaction or this reaction... I'm just saying that it makes sense if some of the deities are surprisingly childish.
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Originally posted by dazzlerdal
I used the same assassin that killed the father as the one who tried to kill the son (whom Telamont then married and who was supposed to be Shar herself). I also made it a bit more icky and had the assassin of the father also end up as the mother to Telamont (who better to get close to an archmage than a paramour/seductress). So that means Telamont ended up with his own mother (who killed his dad and was trying to kill him) and fathered children with her but that's okay because she was a god and the normal rules of genetics and morality don't apply (especially to evil ones).
BTW, this idea is disturbing and amazing at the same time. You win the crown for creativity on this one Dazzlerdal. |
| Wrigley |
Posted - 16 Feb 2017 : 18:54:49
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Originally posted by Ari
quote:
Originally posted by Odin Highhammer
Now now, Telamont had 12 children, all with his lawfully wedded wife, who was killed by his second born, and he has lived with that sorrow ever since.
When I referred to Telamont having lots of kids, it's 12 kids. A high number for any age.
I'm glad to know her reason for existing in the timeline was to have his children and make him sad.
Anyway, doesn't that solve the dating problem on its own? Dad was High Arcanist, kid grows up, builds on his work and rep to become Lord Shadow? Sounds like a High Netherese "power to more power" fairy tale to me.
Alternatively Telamont was Bros with Jeriah Chronus and time-finagling happened.
First please do not bring gender equivality into Realms. It is one of the most accepting world I know.
However I think that you are right in that this woman (Lord Shadow's wife) should have been more prominent in this story as Shar prefers women. Could she have been former high priestess of Shar before Rivalen killed her? She almost had to be from some higher position for him to take her as wife but we know almost nothing about her.
So her name was Alashar (according to FR wiki)... |
| Ari |
Posted - 15 Feb 2017 : 20:43:32
According to 3e,4e and 5e Shades do reproduce and eat and such like humans. That's not even going into how not all Netherese are Shadovar. The most inhuman are the Twelve Princes while the common folk are much closer to the old Northerners.
EDIT: Not to mention that by the time-sensitive given Telamont could still have been a relatively normal High Netheril man and this possible son the Shade transformed over centuries by the Plane of Shadow/Shadowfell. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 15 Feb 2017 : 19:13:35
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Originally posted by Starshade
That isn't the only issue; in the 3.5 up to 5. edition, can the shades make new netherilians the old way?
The old way? When two shades love each other very much... |
| Starshade |
Posted - 15 Feb 2017 : 17:17:53
That isn't the only issue; in the 3.5 up to 5. edition, can the shades make new netherilians the old way? A low Level Netherese arcanist is a great recurring villain for newbies, but I'm not sure if its workable, story wise. Especially the Return of the Archwizards books make them look like undead. |
| Ari |
Posted - 15 Feb 2017 : 14:12:26
quote:
Originally posted by Odin Highhammer
Now now, Telamont had 12 children, all with his lawfully wedded wife, who was killed by his second born, and he has lived with that sorrow ever since.
When I referred to Telamont having lots of kids, it's 12 kids. A high number for any age.
I'm glad to know her reason for existing in the timeline was to have his children and make him sad.
Anyway, doesn't that solve the dating problem on its own? Dad was High Arcanist, kid grows up, builds on his work and rep to become Lord Shadow? Sounds like a High Netherese "power to more power" fairy tale to me.
Alternatively Telamont was Bros with Jeriah Chronus and time-finagling happened. |
| sleyvas |
Posted - 15 Feb 2017 : 13:15:58
quote:
Originally posted by Ari
That doesn't make any sense. A lot of our arbitrary sexual politics comes from living in a world where you can't set people on fire by reading about it enough. Unless the males of Netheril monopolized learning and magical power to exclude women, there would be roughly equal numbers of very choosey and "alpha" mages of any sex, all part of some dizzying family tree jealously guarding their power and influence.
Unless this Telamont just raped a lot of Low Netherese women, which is hardly unbelievable, I doubt he'd want many kids with a claim to his stuff and eons in which to steal it from him.
Still feel same-name descendant is the easiest way to go to resolve the weirdness.
Who says bastards have any legal claim to his stuff? That and when archmages want to fool around they can magically make the song "let's get it on" just spontaneously happen. What woman can resist that? |
| Odin Highhammer |
Posted - 15 Feb 2017 : 12:26:02
quote:
Originally posted by Ari
Unless this Telamont just raped a lot of Low Netherese women, which is hardly unbelievable, I doubt he'd want many kids with a claim to his stuff and eons in which to steal it from him.
Now now, Telamont had 12 children, all with his lawfully wedded wife, who was killed by his second born, and he has lived with that sorrow ever since.
When I referred to Telamont having lots of kids, it's 12 kids. A high number for any age. |
| Ari |
Posted - 14 Feb 2017 : 20:38:20
That doesn't make any sense. A lot of our arbitrary sexual politics comes from living in a world where you can't set people on fire by reading about it enough. Unless the males of Netheril monopolized learning and magical power to exclude women, there would be roughly equal numbers of very choosey and "alpha" mages of any sex, all part of some dizzying family tree jealously guarding their power and influence.
Unless this Telamont just raped a lot of Low Netherese women, which is hardly unbelievable, I doubt he'd want many kids with a claim to his stuff and eons in which to steal it from him.
Still feel same-name descendant is the easiest way to go to resolve the weirdness. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 14 Feb 2017 : 15:51:52
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Originally posted by Markustay
Not every archwizard is cut-out to be a BBG - some of them would rather just study someplace quiet... and cast an occasional teleport spell to earn a living. 
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| Markustay |
Posted - 14 Feb 2017 : 15:45:50
I'll just mention Ghengis Khan again. He supposedly had thousands of children in just 20 years (which was only a legend until recent DNA testing confirmed that 11% of the current world's population has his DNA).
He did not 'run out wombs'. Powerful men who run empires don't seem to have that problem, for some reason. The Netherese either had to have a rule in place, or something else was affecting their fertility.
It may have also been psychological - most 'alpha males' (like Ghengis Khan) aren't the studious 'nerd types'; those kinds of people tend to be 'betas', and to put it bluntly, betas don't 'get the ladies' (or men) the way alphas do. There were hundreds, if not thousands, of 'Netherese Arcanists' who were very powerful, but never bothered to build enclaves or want all the 'fame & fortune' - they just wanted to study and learn more magic. Most of those guys may not have bothered with romantic pursuits at all. Most mages would fall into this category, which is good thing, because its all those 'alphas' that become the 'ebil wizards' of lore, or archwizards leading hundreds of other powerful wizards (Vangerdehat, Szass Tam, etc). Thus, Telemont did have a bunch of children (although still not nearly enough, IMO), because he was the rare, cerebral alpha.
And I'm sure someone here will take offense to that, but I am very much used to people not liking me for telling it like it is... and just don't care. I think about the psychology behind all these fictitious people because thats how you make them feel real when you are running a game. So many module BBG's feel 2-dimensional to me, because there hasn't been much thought put into what drives them. Not every archwizard is cut-out to be a BBG - some of them would rather just study someplace quiet... and cast an occasional teleport spell to earn a living. |
| Odin Highhammer |
Posted - 14 Feb 2017 : 12:23:22
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Originally posted by dazzlerdal
Ed haa said in the past that netheril understood longevity magics far better than today. They were less risky (no 1% fail rate per use) and were available to those without enclaves (ioulaum, congenio, aumvor).
All magic use has unintended consequences however so im happy with longevity magic use limiting fertility. Its an easy explanation.
How the magics worked exactly is unknown. I suspect there were many methods involved. Aumvor i think stole his longevity from others through his living zombie magic
I agree that they understood it far better back then, but I wonder about the complexity of keeping it up.
I suspect that all the top 50 Arcanists at the time had access to the spell that allowed them to extend their life, but I also think it to be in the 9th level casting range, so very few people would be able to draw advantage of it.
As modern population growth shows, it is not how long we live that makes us have babies, but how many babies that die. If we lived forever, it would naturally drop down a whole bunch.
I think Shadow having 12 kids is an odd weird event, much like having 12 kids in today's society is seen as weird. |
| Gary Dallison |
Posted - 14 Feb 2017 : 08:35:00
Ed haa said in the past that netheril understood longevity magics far better than today. They were less risky (no 1% fail rate per use) and were available to those without enclaves (ioulaum, congenio, aumvor).
All magic use has unintended consequences however so im happy with longevity magic use limiting fertility. Its an easy explanation.
How the magics worked exactly is unknown. I suspect there were many methods involved. Aumvor i think stole his longevity from others through his living zombie magic |
| Odin Highhammer |
Posted - 14 Feb 2017 : 07:44:57
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Originally posted by Markustay
And on we go...
I think you mentioned something interesting earlier, Dazzler - if the (High) Netherese did routinely live 1000+ years, and stayed 'fit' enough to have children during much of that period, that would have lead to a MASSIVE population explosion over time. Elves don't have that problem, because they don't enjoy the fecundity that humans do. I could see it getting 'icky' all over the place ("Great-Grandpa! Stop hitting on my friends!")
I would think that most enclaves would have to have had some sort of rule in-place against just such a thing (one mage creating an entire horde of offspring, which could overrun another mage's enclave). Or maybe we could just say that the 'Mythalar field' automatically inhibited reproduction (most groundlings - being non-magical - would not have this problem concerning offspring).
I used to think Telemont had a LOT of kids, but actually, when you think about how old he is (or was, when he was still able to breed), it was a very low number, all things considered. Ghengis Khan supposedly sired thousands of children in just 20 years.
On the topic of population boom we need to get to grips with 2 variables before we can make put an artificial “reproduction limit” age.
How did Arcanists stay alive? While we see all these Arcanists reach super age, Age was still something the Netherese saw as a curse, so they clearly did not have a quick fix for this. Whatever made them live that long must have cost a fortune and been risky. Could it be that this method of staying alive was only an option for card holding mythallar owners?
We also need to take into account that having children is not a limit of the amount of years that an arcanist is alive, but on the amount of wombs that can carry children at one time. Alas, that number is not increasing by having a hundred people who can live to be past 1000 years old.
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| Shadowsoul |
Posted - 14 Feb 2017 : 07:25:13
Maybe someone just got the dates wrong and it was a mistake? Wouldn't be the first time.
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| Gary Dallison |
Posted - 14 Feb 2017 : 07:16:32
I actually used family to solve one of the problems with Netheril, that is why did the archmages and their enclaves stick around at all.
They were usually several centuries old at least, very powerful, and created an enclave upon which they were the supreme ruler. And yet most remained within netherils borders operating as a loose confederacy of enclaves.
So George gave me an answer when he provided ioulaums family name as halargoth. The archwizards had families in their first few centuries and then remained around to shepherd them through netherils political pitfalls. These families usually became powerful noble houses of netheril.
Eventually however the archwizards became so old they lost touch and their attachment to family. |
| Ari |
Posted - 14 Feb 2017 : 06:17:01
There's the much easier assumption, as Markustay alluded earlier, that in the hundreds of years between those times more than one Netherese magician named Telamont existed. Maybe the Lord Shadow was named in hnour of that ancient High Arcanist, like how real people often name their kids after saints or kings.
The same guy being both Lord Shadow AND High Arcanist feels like a little much for one distant historical figure. |
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