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| sleyvas |
Posted - 10 Feb 2017 : 00:58:00
So, I'd noted on the 3e campaign setting map that the ship of the gods was gone a while back, and I know about the eruption in 1369 DR, etc.... It had made me a bit upset to see it gone. So, today I open Dragons of Faerun (a later publication mind you) and lo and behold to see if there's any info on Mourktar.... and there on page 70 is a canon map showing Unther/Chessenta/Mulhorand, and it includes the ship of the gods right by Mourktar & Messemprar. Also, ironically, the section that's labeled "free Unther" and contains Mourktar and Messemprar is ironically the section that on the 4e map is shown as simply water (as if that section just disappeared and the world shrank accordingly).... and the ship of the gods is gone too.
I really wonder if the ship of the gods is something more and its name means something, and if it went to Abeir. |
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| Zeromaru X |
Posted - 16 Feb 2017 : 03:26:53
Well, the equivalent region of Unther (at least in Erin Evans's novels) was Shyr. In the Devil You Know, is mentioned that the Untherans were enslaved by and Gilgeam 2.0 was waging war against Shyran genasi. And the mountains equivalent to the Smoking Mountains in Abeir (where the staff of Azuth was) are not like the ones we can find in the map of Returned Abeir. That means that, whatever was transported from Mulhorand and Unther to Abeir went to Shyr.
Tymanther is a different story, but just because that part of Skelkor was ripped off from Laerakond and fell on Unther during the Spellplague (possibly, as a consecuence of the destruction of Glaur in Gontal).
So, is highly possible that the Untherans (the Shusselans (?) and later, all the Untherans) went to the realm of the primordial Karshimis, that was near the original lands from where the Akanûlan genasi hailed from. |
| sleyvas |
Posted - 16 Feb 2017 : 01:50:07
quote:
Originally posted by Zeromaru X
quote:
Originally posted by sleyvas
At the same time, does its eruption SOMEHOW cause some temporary link to Abeir. I state this, because we can provide a somewhat tenuous linkage of the volcano's eruption and the sudden and miraculous disappearance of every single person from the Untheric town of Shussel. We've long thought that everything that happened with the spellplague was linked to Mystra's death, but that may have just been a hairpin trigger that caused events to go faster. What if as early as 1369 apparently some portions were transferring between the worlds. We already know that the "Sundering" has taken several years.
If I'm not wrong, the Spellplague was just the worst consequence of AO destroying the Tables in the Time of Troubles (plus, the Weave having problems because it grew to much in the years since its creation, and Mysnight cannot fully control it). According to the 4e FRCG, Abeir and Toril were exchanging minor parts since that time, and the Spellplague just quickened the process tenfold.
Your theory of the Untherite of Shussel being transported to Abeir can work if we take that into account.
Yeah, not sure what to do with it, but having some Untherites suddenly appear in the dragonborn countryside almost 20 years prior to the spellplague could prove interesting. Wonder if they'd be turned into slaves... probably not given that the dragonborn of Tymanchebar had been slaves themselves before rebelling... then again, considering Skelkor and Tymanchebar were supposed to be somewhat close.... yet when they came to Toril, Returned Abeir and Tymanther were half a world apart.... so I guess the people of Shussel might have shown up anywhere in Abeir. |
| Markustay |
Posted - 16 Feb 2017 : 01:30:58
First, if I had to choose another Old Empires god, I'd say Tefnut, for no other reason than I love saying Tefnut (Tefnut Tefnut Tefnut...) 
Ptah is already IN Realmspace, he just hasn't bothered to establish any sort of major presence on Toril itself (but he is well known anywhere there is Spelljamming, so on the moon, and in the Tears of Selûne).
Second, the eruption is already connected to an event - its detailed in the Threat from the Sea series (somehow there is a mega-uber portal that goes from the Arnrock in the Lake of Steam to the Ship of the Gods, Its supposedly a very ancient portal (like dating back to Iakhovas' time, so probably pre-world split), and because it was forced to open (after being sealed for so many millennia) the receiving end (Ship of the Gods) blew apart.
Or was that the Alaor (slightly further north)? I think the Alaor blew up too. Now I'm getting confused. 
Something I never noticed before - I'm looking at the 1e map, and not only are those two islands fairly close to each other (relatively), but they're pretty close to the same exact size. Two 'boats'?
And given the the Lake of Steam looks like a colossal crater, then what IS the Arnrock? Is that the hive all the beholders arrived in? And if so, why did Mel Odom connect it to the Alaor (or SotG... because I'm still not sure which one it was)?
Are they all HUGE 'spaceships'?  |
| Zeromaru X |
Posted - 15 Feb 2017 : 17:38:25
quote:
Originally posted by sleyvas
At the same time, does its eruption SOMEHOW cause some temporary link to Abeir. I state this, because we can provide a somewhat tenuous linkage of the volcano's eruption and the sudden and miraculous disappearance of every single person from the Untheric town of Shussel. We've long thought that everything that happened with the spellplague was linked to Mystra's death, but that may have just been a hairpin trigger that caused events to go faster. What if as early as 1369 apparently some portions were transferring between the worlds. We already know that the "Sundering" has taken several years.
If I'm not wrong, the Spellplague was just the worst consequence of AO destroying the Tables in the Time of Troubles (plus, the Weave having problems because it grew to much in the years since its creation, and Mysnight cannot fully control it). According to the 4e FRCG, Abeir and Toril were exchanging minor parts since that time, and the Spellplague just quickened the process tenfold.
Your theory of the Untherite of Shussel being transported to Abeir can work if we take that into account.
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| sleyvas |
Posted - 15 Feb 2017 : 13:13:35
Hmmm, I forgot one thing as pertains this island. It also held a temple to Geb, Mulhorandi god of earth. So, I'm less inclined to say that it was only for one of the two pantheons and more inclined to say that they somehow transformed both of their vessels using it. It does make me wonder too if its eruptions didn't somehow or other open a path either for new gods to come in (the Sumerians were known for travel on clouds, and this creates a big damn cloud), which could explain Ramman's arrival "recently" going back to the eruption four hundred years previous. The fact that its eruption 400 years ago sacrificed many Untheri would fit. If this is the case, did some deity come through in 1369 DR from EITHER the Mulhorandi or Untheric Pantheon, and if so, who would be the best deity to import? Enki? Ptah? Enlil? Inanna? Gilgeam reborn? Tiamat? Dahak? Anshar? Tefnut? Seker?
At the same time, does its eruption SOMEHOW cause some temporary link to Abeir. I state this, because we can provide a somewhat tenuous linkage of the volcano's eruption and the sudden and miraculous disappearance of every single person from the Untheric town of Shussel. We've long thought that everything that happened with the spellplague was linked to Mystra's death, but that may have just been a hairpin trigger that caused events to go faster. What if as early as 1369 apparently some portions were transferring between the worlds. We already know that the "Sundering" has taken several years.
From Sea of Fallen Stars
The Ship of the Gods volcano erupts, and priests of Geb in the Golden Forge temple within fail to prevent the eruption but mitigate the damage to Mulhorand by venting lava across the sea bed. This causes a tidal wave that swamps the Alaor and Bezantur on the third day of the month, causing much havoc and destruction. Within three days, sahuagin attack Bezantur and wreak havoc on the storm- and wave-damaged city, stealing many magical items. On the twenty-fifth day of the month, a great subsea explosion shakes rooftops in Airspur and Delthuntle and the resulting waves cause damageon to notable buildings in Delthuntle, killing 30 people.
Also, this from Sea of Fallen Stars
Unther
Despite the shakeup by the subsea eruption of the Ship of the Gods volcano, Unther seems relatively untouched by most problems from the sea. However, sometime during the last year, ail the folk of the coastal city of Shussel mysteriously vanished, and the former fishing and mining city is a ghost town
Also, this from Sea of Fallen Stars
The Golden Forge, the temple to Geb within the volcano, had its responsibilities to keep the Ship of the Gods from erupting and decimating Mulhorand. For more than a decade, the priests of the earth god dutifully prepared the area for controlled eruptions. In 1369 DR, the volcano violently shuddered and began to erupt. Despite the unexpected sacrifice of more than a third of their lesser acolytes to lava punching through the walls into parts of the temple, the priests managed to use their preparations and spells to force the lava flow across a readied channel and out through the seabed rather than toward the land. As you might expect, the Mulhorandi priests cared little that more than 12,000 sahuagin died
in the course of minutes, and they even perceived it as a benefit that the force of the eruption would create monstrous tidal waves to swamp the Alaor and the Thayan city of Bezantur. Upon last reports, some Mulhorandi factions were preparing to march upon the weakened Bezantur and retake it as part of Mulhorand once more.
While few of Those Who Harp were surprised by the eruption of the Ship of the Gods (as it was only a matter of time), the form it took surprised most of us. After some investigation, all I can piece together is that either godly intervention by Sekolah caused the eruption, powerful magical items detonated at the Arnrock and the Ship of the Gods near-simultaneously caused the eruptions of both volcanoes, or the Mulhorandi priests of the Golden Forge unleashed the volcano on orders from their political rulers to damage Bezantur
and distract Thay. The facts of this are likely buried beneath cooling lava, along with rumors of animated sahuagin skeletons as hot as lava, magmen of unloving molten rock that guard the site of buried Vahaxtyl, a now-buried gate to the elemental plane of fire, etc.
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| sleyvas |
Posted - 13 Feb 2017 : 14:01:34
Oh, and having gotten sidetracked yet again, my thoughts were headed towards I wonder if there were any children of the gods being raised in secret on the ship of the gods.... and then it went to Abeir. Not sure where to take it from there, but Ramman was around recently, as was Gilgeam (and though he mated with many women, they SAID he didn't have any kids). Then there was the whole Mulhorandi pantheon. |
| sleyvas |
Posted - 13 Feb 2017 : 13:56:27
After thinking on it a bit, I don't like the assumption that I myself made above about Assuran of the three thunders being related to Anshar simply because earth also called Anshar by the name Assur. From what little I can find on Anshar, he was either a sky god OR a god of darkness and the void (this second strictly based on the old Deities and Demigods). However, IF he is the sky god instead, that makes him Anu/Enlil's father, and that part doesn't necessarily sit well with me (although it COULD if he showed up after Enlil left, figuring to become lord of the pantheon... maybe Enlil/Anu slighted him, would have to know more on that relationship). I don't know WHERE Assuran came from (maybe the south, maybe the Turami or the Chondathans, maybe some interloper deity come in with a cleric who spelljammed/gated in). I like him as a god of justice and brooding vengeance with something like a "three strikes rule" and nothing related to the sky (other than maybe he warns through thunder). Why he and Ramman had a tiff... no clue.
So, that still pretty much leaves Anshar and Dahak as the two deities who may have shown up later along with Ramman, and I can see why Gilgeam would kick those two out personally. If it had worship of the god of darkness and void, and the dragon god of death spirits, making homes in my populace I'd kick them out too. |
| sleyvas |
Posted - 13 Feb 2017 : 13:24:51
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Originally posted by Zeromaru X
Of note, Powers and Pantheons says Gilgeam was another name of Gilgamesh indeed.
Ah, thank you. |
| Markustay |
Posted - 12 Feb 2017 : 21:49:09
Here's the thing...
Maztican lore actually makes MORE sense post-3e. The Maztica legends say that they came from 'The FIRST world". To me, that means Abeir-Toril, the unsundered world. Thats why I theorized that things didn't come from Abeir during the Spellplague, but rather, things 'snapped back' to how they were originally meant to be (thus, Maztica was actually ALREADY a part of Abeir all along, and in 4e it just 'went home'). Just as Evermeet did.
Somehow, The Weave keeps track of all the 'magical changes' (look at them as incremental updates to a computer's operating system) that come about over the millennia. When it collapses (literally, the BLUE screen of death LOL), we get rebooted into 'safe mode', without any of those changes (thus, everything snapped-back to things they were meant to be part of originally). For example, that floating castle in Realmspace - that should have gone back to the Moonshaes when the Spellplague hit.
Now 5e is here, which means the 'computer' that is Realmspace has been rebooted to an earlier save point... which makes perfect sense, in lieu of everything (like the geography, etc).
Ao's not a God - he's a really slow IT guy. 
Or maybe Ao is the AI?  |
| Zeromaru X |
Posted - 12 Feb 2017 : 21:23:05
A question: doesn't the Azte.. Maztican gods came to Toril in a ship as well? |
| Markustay |
Posted - 12 Feb 2017 : 20:40:01
I always assumed the 'Ship of the Gods' was indeed the 'vessel' on which the pantheons traveled (at least one of them, anyway). Note that Ptah - being multispheric (Spelljammer) - was already IN Realmspace, and I had it where Ao told Ptah to inform the rest of the Pharoinc Pantheon to enter Realmspace via a more physical route (since for some reason, all these uber-powerful gods could not tear down the Imaskari godwall). The whole thing is a bit confusing because we have both the Sumerian and Babylonian pantheons present, and yet, Thats like having the Greek and Roman ones separated (and BTW, Mielikki {Celtic AND FR} is the SAME goddess as Ki from the Mesopotamian pantheons).
I think once again we are looking at this too literally, or rather, without our 'mythical' glasses on. A bunch of ancient, powerful beings from one sphere (and nothings to say they originated in Earth's sphere, BTW) wants to travel to another sphere, they could just rip-up a huge chunk of terrain and fly it to Realmspace (or do you think the Caspian Sea was always there?  ) |
| Zeromaru X |
Posted - 12 Feb 2017 : 19:29:22
Of note, Powers and Pantheons says Gilgeam was another name of Gilgamesh indeed. |
| Gary Dallison |
Posted - 12 Feb 2017 : 18:02:00
Nice to see all the analysis i did for my alternate dimensions issue and came up with a completely different answer.
I took the ship of the gods sea vessel to be an actual vessel built in homage to their space craft many millennia later (an idea i took from scott bennies expansion to the old empires - for those that dont know he wrote it originally).
I created a whole third empire to port my deities from and blamed their non existence now on gilgeam being fickle with historical records (something that happens more often than not in real life, history is written by the winner).
Keep going with your thoughts. Id like to see where you end up |
| sleyvas |
Posted - 12 Feb 2017 : 17:51:33
quote:
Originally posted by Wrigley
For me Ship of the Gods is literaly the platform that Mulhoradi dieties arrived on in avatar forms to free their people from Imaskari. I haven't got to what actualy happened in 1369 DR but it might have just returned to where it came from...
I want to note that in the below, I'm more gathering my thoughts and throwing out canon facts. I'm not quite sure where to take it yet.
Bear in mind however that there were 2 ships that they arrived on and originally landed on the Teyla Shan/Godswatch Mountains. There was the Untheric Pantheon one (the Galley of the Gods, which was presumbably/possibly the same artifact stolen around 1354 DR and believed to be at the ship of the gods) and the Mulhorandi Pantheon one (the Matet <a War Galley> which turned into the Semktet <barge> at night).
I suspect the Ship of the Gods was indeed a Ship of the Untheric Pantheon, especially since the Untheri were living on it up until 400 years ago (though that isn't a definitive factor). However, I also wonder WHEN it showed up. We have Enlil leaving the realms around -734 DR, but we have Ramman (another deity from Gilgeam's pantheon, which is Babylonian, whereas Enlil is Sumerian... though I will note that the original Deities and Demigods DOES relate these two pantheons... and Powers and Pantheons says that Enlil is Anu) showing up sometime after -135 DR in manifestation form (he is bound to the Prime Material like Gilgeam). So, HOW did Ramman get here. I suspect that perhaps SOME deities of possibly both pantheons arrived on a third ship, maybe smaller, which maybe became the artifact ship "the Galley of the Gods".
We also have noted later that the Untheri began to worship the "Babylonian Pantheon" (of which Anu/Enlil, Marduk, Girru, Nergal, and Tiamat already had been from, all having died in the Orcgate Wars or left soon thereafter, and presumably Gilgeam is Gilgamesh). We then have a note that Gilgeam then banished everyone from the pantheon except Ishtar (whom he couldn't, given that she'd left and given her powers to Isis) and Ramman (his worship being too strong).
So, what new Babylonian Deities came over AFTER the orcgate wars and were later banished by Gilgeam? There's Anshar (god of darkness according to the old deities and demigods... but research on this god also names him Assur... so assuming this is Assuran of the Three Thunders/Hoar the Doombringer), Dahak the three headed dragon spirit of death, Druaga who sounds less like a god and more like some far realms entity OR some lower planar entity that possesses people. However, its noted that Assuran was cast out by Ramman prior to Gilgeam casting out the other gods.
So, maybe Enlil leaves Gilgeam, then shortly thereafter Ishtar leaves Gilgeam. Other deities start importing themselves into the Untheric Pantheon. Gilgeam calls for aid. In comes a ship bearing Ramman, Dahak, and Anshar/Assuran. I would ALSO note Dahak is a dragon deity... Anshar/Assuran is the grandchild of Tiamat... and Assuran is the FATHER of Anu (who is Enlil and therefore Gilgeam's grandfather). Marduk is Bahamut. So, basically, all of the Untheric gods have draconic bloodlines. This adds a every interesting twist to the whole Dragonborn worshipping Enlil thing.
Another idea for the whole arrival of other Babylonia gods COULD also be actual births inworld by the manifestations of the gods as well. For instance, some texts refer to Ramman as a child of Nanna-Sin (and brother to Utu and Ishtar).
OR Ramman could actually be an import entirely from another Faerunian pantheon (perhaps he is Perun, Thor, an aspect of Talos, etc...) who wedged himself into the area despite Gilgeam's wants, or perhaps he was already here as a Babylonian deity but without the rest of his pantheon, and the Mulan worshippers preferred Enlil as the sky god.
Ship of the Gods
This small island in the Alamber Sea is an active volcano. Its last eruption was 400 years ago, killing thousands (the island was settled by Unther at the time). Now, it is used as a haven for pirates. The volcano has begun to come to life again, and the diviners in Skuld predict that it will issue a cloud of darkness within the next three years that will cover the city in ash.
from page 39 of Old Empires
The main fleet in Unthalass was attacked by pirates three years ago. All but five ships were destroyed or captured; one of the captured ships was one of the greatest magical relics of the realm, the Ship of the Gods.
from page 86 of Old Empires
Recently, this vessel has been stolen from its berth in Unthalass by pirates. It is believed to be hidden somewhere in the waters near the Ship of the Gods.
from page 45 of Old Empires
Ramman
God of War, Thunder, Rain, Storms
Status: N, Lesser Power, Prime MaterialPlane
<snip>
Ramman is a relatively new deity, introduced into Unther during the height of the Second Empire (unspoken, but they mean the Second Empire of Mulhorand). The worship of Ramman complements that of Ishtar; Ishtar is the deity of fertile soils, while Ramman is the deity of the skies whose rains help crops flourish.
from page 4 of Old Empires, just to establish "Second Empire" definition
Unther leaped across the Eastern Reach and founded cities on that body
of water#146;s northern coast. Mulhorand expanded northward under the military leadership of Anhurtep, a vigorous incarnation of the god-king Anhur, and founded the cities of Bezantur, Tyraturas, Amruthar, Delhumide, and Nethjet. Mulhorand offered to take in the survivors of the war and bring prosperity to the starving victims of the great
war. Mulhorand heroes slew many of the monsters summoned by the wizards of Narfell and Raumathar, and once again the standard of Mulhorand flew over the battlements of the Priador. Thus began the Second Empire of Mulhorand and Unther.
from page 44 of Old Empires, noting the changing of the gods... also noting Marduk and Gilgeam (aka Gilgamesh) are both Babylonian already
Unlike Mulhorand, which cherishes eternity and unchanging continuity, religion in Unther experienced major changes during its history. The first big change occurred when many of the Sumerian deities died in
the Orcgate Wars. The Untheri found many new gods and goddesses to worship, all belonging to the Babylonian pantheon.
Enlil himself retired; he appointed his son, Gilgeam, as his successor as king of the gods. At first, Gilgeam was a just ruler. But sometimes even the gods can go mad.
Gilgeam was a proud god-king. As the centuries passed and Unther declined in prosperity and influence, as taxes rose and the people#146;s hatred grew, Gilgeam became a cruel and jealous lord.
All other deities, with the exception of Ishtar and Ramman (who were too popular to persecute) were banished from the plane. Limits were eventually set on the number of worshipers that Ishtar and Ramman could have (and their temples would turn over half of their funds to Gilgeam), and all other Untheri were obligated to worship Gilgeam
alone.
below taken from researching Babylonian Deities on Wikipedia
Abzu (apsû) is depicted as a deity only in the Babylonian creation epic, the Enûma Elish, taken from the library of Assurbanipal (c 630 BCE) but which is about 500 years older. In this story, he was a primal being made of fresh water and a lover to another primal deity, Tiamat, who was a creature of salt water. The Enuma Elish begins: "When above the heavens did not yet exist nor the earth below, Apsu the freshwater ocean was there, the first, the begetter, and Tiamat, the saltwater sea, she who bore them all; they were still mixing their waters, and no pasture land had yet been formed, nor even a reed marsh." This resulted in the birth of the younger gods, who later murder Apsu in order to usurp his lordship of the universe. Enraged, Tiamat gives birth to the first dragons, filling their bodies with "venom instead of blood", and made war upon her treacherous children, only to be slain by Marduk, the god of Storms, who then forms the heavens and earth from her corpse.
below taken from researching Babylonian Deities on Wikipedia
In the Sumerian, Akkadian, Assyrian and Babylonian creation myth Enuma Elish, Anshar (also spelled Anshur), which means "whole heaven", is a primordial god. His consort is Kishar which means "Whole Earth". They were the children of Lahamu and Lahmu and the grandchildren of Tiamat and Apsû. They, in turn, are the parents of Anu, the god of heaven, lord of constellations, king of gods, spirits and demons.[ |
| Wrigley |
Posted - 12 Feb 2017 : 10:27:41
For me Ship of the Gods is literaly the platform that Mulhoradi dieties arrived on in avatar forms to free their people from Imaskari. I haven't got to what actualy happened in 1369 DR but it might have just returned to where it came from... |
| sleyvas |
Posted - 11 Feb 2017 : 13:41:49
quote:
Originally posted by Brian R. James
While working on the Chessenta article for Dungeon #178, I postulated that severe earthquakes wracked the Old Empires in the decade following the Spellplague. Some regions were thrust upwards into towering escarpments (the most prominent being the great mesa upon which the Maerchwood now rests). Other regions, particularly the fragile coastline along the western Alamber Sea, collapsed... sinking the once great cities of Mourktar, Messemprar and Shussel. What remained of the Ship of the Gods following its violent eruption, was simply eroded away by the succession of earthquakes.
Of course, this was a just speculation on my part to justify the geographical changes presented in the FRCG. You could just as easily explain away the changes by saying the Ship of the Gods and other regions were transposed with Abeir.
I posted a couple sketch maps of the region on Twitter many years ago:
http://www.twitpic.com/11yg2z
http://www.twitpic.com/1tnoy6
They must have cut that from the article for some reason. I see the part where the Maerchwood rose, and I like that, it being petrified woods now, but I don't see anything about parts of the Untheran coastline collapsing. That being said, I do see where people were putting the "ruins of Messemprar" down in the Alamber sea, but given how things happened in spots, it might be that only part of Messemprar is down there and that's because the surrounding land transferred.
As a sidenote, you also documented that the newly raised from the dead Nanna-sin may have kin in the Karanoks.
"House Karanok, it is said, has the divine blood of Nanna-Sin coursing
through their veins."
Oh, and gotta say, I loved your idea in said article for the Maw of the Godswallower. With the ending of the spellplague that also opened up a weird option to me. Either we could keep this weird "empty space"/area of annihilation, OR we could handwave it away and assume "all is now good here", OR we could have another portion of Abeir "get sucked over". Since that section of the country had really never had anything special there (that I recall mind you), I'm of the mindset to bring over some of Abeir and make it immediately alien in nature (picturing red earth, trees with crystalline leaves, etc...).
Wondering, down in the adder hills section with the Avariels and Aarakocra... would it be better if those earthmotes dropped OR if they stayed floating like the ones in Akanul nearby. It could prove interesting if "the returned and populated Eastern Shaar" saw these earthmotes as strategic land to their north. |
| Zeromaru X |
Posted - 10 Feb 2017 : 21:57:32
Thanks for the maps! I'll read that article tonight. |
| Brian R. James |
Posted - 10 Feb 2017 : 21:16:17
While working on the Chessenta article for Dungeon #178, I postulated that severe earthquakes wracked the Old Empires in the decade following the Spellplague. Some regions were thrust upwards into towering escarpments (the most prominent being the great mesa upon which the Maerchwood now rests). Other regions, particularly the fragile coastline along the western Alamber Sea, collapsed... sinking the once great cities of Mourktar, Messemprar and Shussel. What remained of the Ship of the Gods following its violent eruption, was simply eroded away by the succession of earthquakes.
Of course, this was a just speculation on my part to justify the geographical changes presented in the FRCG. You could just as easily explain away the changes by saying the Ship of the Gods and other regions were transposed with Abeir.
I posted a couple sketch maps of the region on Twitter many years ago:
http://www.twitpic.com/11yg2z
http://www.twitpic.com/1tnoy6 |
| Zeromaru X |
Posted - 10 Feb 2017 : 01:16:19
The Ship of the Gods is not mentioned in the 4e FR Guide. So, I guess is free to be used as whatever fits you campaign. The novels I've read about the region (Brotherhood of the Griffon first trilogy, Brimstone Angels last trilogy) neither mention the place, so there is no canon answer.
I like the idea of the Ship doing some planar trip to Abeir. |
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