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| EltonRobb |
Posted - 13 Dec 2016 : 23:45:38
I was wondering about wild elves or copper elves. I don't have my FRCS in front of me. So if anyone has some lore about them, it can help someone trying to apply for my game.
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| Copper Elven Vampire |
Posted - 28 Jan 2017 : 20:21:57
I found it. Before this whole silly Eladrin being Elves concept.
Dawn Ages
–30000 DR to –24000 DR
The empires of the creator races fade into memory, ushering in the
Time of Dragons and the Time of Giants. Individual dragons and
dragon clans rule large swaths of territory and battle with their
rivals for control of the land, seas, and skies. During this period of devastating warfare among the dragons of Faerűn, isolated pockets of formerly dragon-ruled territory fall under giant control. Over time, such giant-ruled kingdoms come to threaten the hegemony of dragonkind, leading to great battles between giant kingdoms such as Darchar, Grunfesting, Helligheim, Nedeheim, Ostoria, and Rangfjell, and dragon-ruled realms such as Argissthilliax, Caesinmalsvir, Darastriverthicha, and Tharkrixghontix.
c. –30000 DR
Fall of the Aearee Empires: The Time of Dragons is ushered in as dragons across Faerűn swarm together in the first Flight of Dragons. They assail the avians in the air, on the land, and beneath the ground. They fall upon the home-nest of Viakoo and burn the city from the sky. In the caverns beneath the Orsraun Mountains, the wyrm-general Nagamat rampages through the ancestral hatcheries of Shara and claims the kingdom as his own. — The Ba’etith create the Golden Skins of the World Serpent, known today
as the Nether Scrolls [–3533]. — War of the Seldarine: Araushnee is cast down into the Demonweb Pits, where she becomes the demon-goddess Lolth. — The solar Malkizid [1374] is branded and thrown down into the Nine Hells.
— The great giant god Annam All-Father marries Othea, a lesser demigoddess of Toril. Their union produces eight terrestrial children. Ostoria, the Colossal Kingdom, is founded by Annam in honor of his sons. c. –29500 DR Dragonfall War: Followers of Xymor attack and slay Nagamat, inciting the Dragonfall War [–2087], a conflict between the followers of Bahamut and Tiamat that persists to this day.
c. –28000 DR
The Colossal Kingdom reaches its height, stretching across Faerűn from the Cold Lands to the Vilhon Reach.
c. –27000 DR
Continuing their work to undermine dragon rule, the Fey open new gates allowing the first elves to immigrate to Toril. These primitive green elves worship the Faerie gods (not the Seldarine, which were unknown at this time). Although most green elves are content to remain in small scattered tribes, one group known as the Ilythiiri negotiates with the dragons and begins to carve out a small kingdom in the south. The great Ilythiiri capital at Atorrnash remains a shining beacon of elf culture for millennia.
c. –26000 DR
Othea, mother of giantkind, pursues a series of unsatisfying affairs with various powers such as Vaprak, father of the ogre race.
–26000 DR to –25000 DR
Thousand Year War: An avatar of the draconic deity Garyx leads red dragons in battle against the giants of Ostoria. Eventually all of dragonkind is drawn into the conflict, which rages on and off for a thousand years. Upon its conclusion, Ostoria has shrunk to only a shadow of its former self. The Colossal Kingdom now occupies only the northernmost edge of the continent (present-day Great Glacier and the Cold Lands).
c. –25500 DR
Othea begins an affair with Ulutiu [–2550], a minor sea god of the Savage Frontier. The union of Othea and Ulutiu ultimately produces four sons: firbolg, verbeeg, voadkyn, and fomorian.
c. –25400 DR
Fleeing the destruction of the island kingdom of Tintageer on their home world of Faerie, a small circle of gold elves led by the young prince Durothil cast a divination to find their new home—on the world of Toril—and then create a portal leading there. The refugees name their new home Faerűn, the One Land. Integrating into the native green elf communities, the descendants of the gold elves of Tintageer become known as sun elves, while the descendants of the sole silver elf refugee, Sharlario Moonflower, become known as moon elves.
c. –25100 DR
Sharlario Moonflower and his son Cornaith visit the dark elf city of Atorrnash in the south. Durothil takes a silver dragon mount and becomes the first dragonrider. Durothil is later slain in battle with the red wyrm Mahatnartorian, known to the green elves as Master of the Mountains. |
| Copper Elven Vampire |
Posted - 28 Jan 2017 : 19:32:43
Back in the "glory" days of 3.5ed, Wild elves were the very first of the elven people to Planar-migrate to Faerun from a different realm other than the island of Faerie. Gold and Silver Elves came to Faerun from Faerie, I forget where Star Elves migrated from, but they created their demi-plane before the first Crown War I believe. I may have a link I can quote from that is Cannon. |
| Elven Avenger |
Posted - 23 Jan 2017 : 16:58:38
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay
I first came up with that concept & spelling way back in 2007, I believe, while working on the Elven Netbook project. Unfortunately, nearly all records of the work that went into the final product (which is floating around somewhere as Elves of Faerűn) is lost because WotC deleted their forums.
El-Ves = 'Loyal Children' (roughly)
El-adrine = 'Wayward children' (roughly)
The El-adrine (eventually just shortened to 'Eladrin') left Faerie-proper (The Fćry Court) and Titania's rule to found their own Kingdom (still within 'The Feywild'), which would be the Island of Tintageer. Over time, (thousands of years), other groups split-off both the El-Ves (Elves) and the Eladrin, most notably the Ljósálfar (Light Elves), who resided in another plane entirely (those would be the Vanir of Norse Myth). However, there was still quite a bt of trade and commerce between all the groups back in those primordial days.
The nobility of the Eladrin were called the S'Eladrin ('High Eladrin') - the ones directly related to Titania and her court - and included Cor'Ellyon ('Grand offspring') and his paternal twin Gru-Mass ('Wild Spirit'), who had different fathers, despite being born twins (entirely possible, BTW). Corellon's father was Freyr, of the Light Elves (Vanir), and Gruumsh's father was Malkith ('bad kindred') of the Dökkálfar (Dark Elves, who eventually became the Orcs, long before drow ever became a thing), and the two had a rivalry over their cousin, Araushnee the Weaver (who later became Lloth). After the battle where the two brothers parted ways forever (and Lloth's fall from grace), the S'eladrine (now ascended deities) removed themselves from the lands of their people (in the Feywild) and created their own realm of Arvandor (called different things on different worlds, including Valinor). Sometime in the following millennium, their ancient kingdom sank beneath the waves and their people were dispersed (although the Fey had already seeded many worlds with their now-mortal offspring - the elves - which had something to do with the spread of the dragons throughout the multiverse).
Thats pretty much how it went. I had a lot more - what would amount to a dozen or more 'sidebars' in a canon work - where the lore branched-off to connect to other stray bits of canon (and myth). Almost none of that is canon, although some of it (the part about Corellon and Gruumsh being brothers) went into a 'legend' that was presented in the online version of dragon magazine (so the legend itself is canon, but whether it is 'fact' was left open-ended).
it is also inspired (in a small part) by the works of the Julian May in her most excellent Saga of Pliocene Exile, wherein they describe the split between the beautiful 'Light Elves' and the ugly, misshapen 'dark elves' (called by other names in that work). The idea of my variation was that all Fey-kin are natural shape-shifters, but over time have lost the ability, and 'gotten stuck' in the forms they occupy now (although many do still have at least one alternate form). The 'dark elves' embraced their wild and chaotic nature, and took-on horrid visages as a form of self-expression, whereas the 'Light Elves' (the normal elves we are most familiar with) preferred to appear tall and graceful. All of that was part of the lead-up to the split between the brothers, since both were leaders of their respective people. I suppose its also a bit Tolkienesque, having Orcs related to Elves, but my version is much more primal, and primordial, not just 'magic'. Its more of a philosophical difference, and in ancient times, a fey creature's outward appearance was a reflection of their inward nature.
And thats about that...
That's a very good concept, I liked it especially the prefixes and sufixes for Elves and Eladrin! |
| Wrigley |
Posted - 22 Jan 2017 : 15:20:11
@TBeholder - snow elves, star elves and any more of thoose out there I consider not a proper subrace but part of those mentioned. What do you think don't match?
@Sylrae - I have used that "misspelling" for a long time. It make sense to me to base their name on "elder" even from elves.
Eldarin being fey is old news for me. However fey origin changed multiple times and I stick to Feywild just out of habbit... call it whatever you like.
@Markustay - I have embraced this theory and went a little deeper.
Fey originaly dwelled in Feywild and started to settle Toril in first age with other creator races. They latter retreated back to Feywild due to opposition from Batrachi and Sarrukh. Some of Eldarin nobles disagreed with this course and after some time decided to depart from Feywild and created Arvandor. Those were S'eldarin led by Corellion (sun/gold) and his wife Araushnee (dark) and his brother Gruumas (green/wild). Soon there was a power struggle between brothers about who should lead and after Corellion defeated his brother in fight (where Gruumas lost his eye) he banished him from his court disfiguring him and most of his progeny who became goblins (that is why they do not have any major god). Gruumas decided to abandon his people after seeing what become of them and wandered Lower planes before stumbling on orcs led by Orcus. He defeated him and took his place as leader of orcs mated with Luthic and creating Bagthru as ofspring.
Later another coup happened when Araushnee became corrupted and tried to win the throne for herself. She seduced Fenmarel Mestarin to help her and made pacts with devils. She nearly succeed in killing Corellion but three moon elven goddesses merge to save him. After that she is banished and transformed with most of her progeny also (dark elves). She later stumbles in Abyss on demon lord, devours him and thus she became a demon-goddes and her form changes to suggest her new spider domain. |
| Markustay |
Posted - 22 Jan 2017 : 01:23:50
I first came up with that concept & spelling way back in 2007, I believe, while working on the Elven Netbook project. Unfortunately, nearly all records of the work that went into the final product (which is floating around somewhere as Elves of Faerűn) is lost because WotC deleted their forums.
El-Ves = 'Loyal Children' (roughly)
El-adrine = 'Wayward children' (roughly)
The El-adrine (eventually just shortened to 'Eladrin') left Faerie-proper (The Fćry Court) and Titania's rule to found their own Kingdom (still within 'The Feywild'), which would be the Island of Tintageer. Over time, (thousands of years), other groups split-off both the El-Ves (Elves) and the Eladrin, most notably the Ljósálfar (Light Elves), who resided in another plane entirely (those would be the Vanir of Norse Myth). However, there was still quite a bt of trade and commerce between all the groups back in those primordial days.
The nobility of the Eladrin were called the S'Eladrin ('High Eladrin') - the ones directly related to Titania and her court - and included Cor'Ellyon ('Grand offspring') and his paternal twin Gru-Mass ('Wild Spirit'), who had different fathers, despite being born twins (entirely possible, BTW). Corellon's father was Freyr, of the Light Elves (Vanir), and Gruumsh's father was Malkith ('bad kindred') of the Dökkálfar (Dark Elves, who eventually became the Orcs, long before drow ever became a thing), and the two had a rivalry over their cousin, Araushnee the Weaver (who later became Lloth). After the battle where the two brothers parted ways forever (and Lloth's fall from grace), the S'eladrine (now ascended deities) removed themselves from the lands of their people (in the Feywild) and created their own realm of Arvandor (called different things on different worlds, including Valinor). Sometime in the following millennium, their ancient kingdom sank beneath the waves and their people were dispersed (although the Fey had already seeded many worlds with their now-mortal offspring - the elves - which had something to do with the spread of the dragons throughout the multiverse).
Thats pretty much how it went. I had a lot more - what would amount to a dozen or more 'sidebars' in a canon work - where the lore branched-off to connect to other stray bits of canon (and myth). Almost none of that is canon, although some of it (the part about Corellon and Gruumsh being brothers) went into a 'legend' that was presented in the online version of dragon magazine (so the legend itself is canon, but whether it is 'fact' was left open-ended).
it is also inspired (in a small part) by the works of the Julian May in her most excellent Saga of Pliocene Exile, wherein they describe the split between the beautiful 'Light Elves' and the ugly, misshapen 'dark elves' (called by other names in that work). The idea of my variation was that all Fey-kin are natural shape-shifters, but over time have lost the ability, and 'gotten stuck' in the forms they occupy now (although many do still have at least one alternate form). The 'dark elves' embraced their wild and chaotic nature, and took-on horrid visages as a form of self-expression, whereas the 'Light Elves' (the normal elves we are most familiar with) preferred to appear tall and graceful. All of that was part of the lead-up to the split between the brothers, since both were leaders of their respective people. I suppose its also a bit Tolkienesque, having Orcs related to Elves, but my version is much more primal, and primordial, not just 'magic'. Its more of a philosophical difference, and in ancient times, a fey creature's outward appearance was a reflection of their inward nature.
And thats about that... |
| Sylrae |
Posted - 21 Jan 2017 : 23:41:38
quote:
Originally posted by Wrigley
I have connected elven subtypes to eldarin types from Planescape and it fits very well.
quote:
"fallen eldarin" = S'eldarin who left Feywild
An interesting notion. It fits better with your misspelling than with the normal spelling and pronunciation though.
Eladrin "ee-la-drin" vs Seldarine "cell-darr-een"
And Eladrin being feylike beings from the feywild is a 4eism. Before that they were the CG outsider equivalent of angels and archons, only some of which were even vaguely elflike. |
| TBeholder |
Posted - 21 Jan 2017 : 07:34:56
quote:
Originally posted by Wrigley
Planescape
[...]
"fallen eldarin" = S'eldarin who left Feywild
Something doesn't match something here.
quote:
Sun elves are from Shiere
Moon elves are from Tulani
Wood elves are from Firre
Dark elves are from Ghaele
Wild elves are from Bralani
Sea elves are from Noviere
Winged elves are from Coure
Sure, because the Sun elves are famous for wandering and the Avariel are first-rate clowns. It shows.
And what about those snow elves?
quote:
Originally posted by sleyvas
Where's this planescape information from? Just wondering, as my first recollection of eladrins was 3rd edition.
In details? They were in Monstrous Compendium appendices, and of course in Warriors of Heaven. |
| sleyvas |
Posted - 20 Jan 2017 : 23:03:44
quote:
Originally posted by Wrigley
I have connected elven subtypes to eldarin types from Planescape and it fits very well. Especialy when you regard them as "fallen eldarin" = S'eldarin who left Feywild for Toril. So for me copper (wood) elves are proper elven subrace with their own god Solonor Thelandira.
Sun elves are from Shiere
Moon elves are from Tulani
Wood elves are from Firre
Dark elves are from Ghaele
Wild elves are from Bralani
Sea elves are from Noviere
Winged elves are from Coure
Where's this planescape information from? Just wondering, as my first recollection of eladrins was 3rd edition. |
| Wrigley |
Posted - 20 Jan 2017 : 17:53:59
I have connected elven subtypes to eldarin types from Planescape and it fits very well. Especialy when you regard them as "fallen eldarin" = S'eldarin who left Feywild for Toril. So for me copper (wood) elves are proper elven subrace with their own god Solonor Thelandira.
Sun elves are from Shiere
Moon elves are from Tulani
Wood elves are from Firre
Dark elves are from Ghaele
Wild elves are from Bralani
Sea elves are from Noviere
Winged elves are from Coure |
| Sylrae |
Posted - 13 Jan 2017 : 09:33:05
@Cards77
That was my take on it, as well.
I typically like to think that it's largely a matter of gold elves being racist again. As far as they're concerned, wood elves and wild elves are the same thing. As far as the wood and wild elves are concerned, that's not even remotely true. |
| Cards77 |
Posted - 09 Jan 2017 : 00:25:16
I come from the OGB, but I've been tainted by 3e. I think there are several very good reasons for a distinct subrace of wild elves and wood elves. Wild elves were on Toril orginally. That IS covered in the lore somewhere (Evermeet). The rest of the elves arrived on Toril from some other plane.
Wild elves never subscribed to the "new" elven culture and kept to the old ways. Wild elves are essentially barbarians/druids and were never truly part of any kingdom. The wood elves were more traditional elves but chose to cleave more closely to the forest realms and the fey, as opposed to the obsession of the gold and moon elves with arcane magic and the Seldarine.
That's my game view anyway. I think the best part about FR is there is so much lore you can take it any which way you wish. |
| EltonRobb |
Posted - 07 Jan 2017 : 23:31:21
quote:
Originally posted by Xnella Moonblade-Thann
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote:
Originally posted by sfdragon
what about Bat Elf
Na na na na na na na, Bat Elf! Na na na na na na na na, Bat Elf! 
Bat Elf, huh?
So, we have a new caped crusader to save the innocent folk of Toril from the evil clutches of the Zhentarim, Red Wizards and evil Drow?
You can play such a vigilante. It's not Bat Elf, its the Crimson Avenger! |
| Xnella Moonblade-Thann |
Posted - 07 Jan 2017 : 22:11:31
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote:
Originally posted by sfdragon
what about Bat Elf
Na na na na na na na, Bat Elf! Na na na na na na na na, Bat Elf!
Bat Elf, huh?
So, we have a new caped crusader to save the innocent folk of Toril from the evil clutches of the Zhentarim, Red Wizards and evil Drow? |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 28 Dec 2016 : 15:47:44
quote:
Originally posted by sfdragon
what about Bat Elf
Na na na na na na na, Bat Elf! Na na na na na na na na, Bat Elf! |
| sfdragon |
Posted - 28 Dec 2016 : 08:23:13
what about Bat Elf |
| TBeholder |
Posted - 27 Dec 2016 : 11:24:31
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay
Is it really worth jumping the shark just to keep some silly 1e timeline accurate? I don't think so...)
[...]
I guess I'm taking some of my general FR/D&D frustration out on Copper/Green elves, but honestly, what is the point in having a slightly more aggressive and and much more xenophobic group of wood elves being a separate sub-race, other than 'somebody in charge wanted it the way'?
The same can be said of 4e "improvements". Yet some are willing to try and jump that shark in zigzag.
quote:
Originally posted by Alexander Clark
"The Metal Elves." If I had any talent in music I'd call my metal band that.
Then it would have to make a cover of Ethereal Bloodsport. |
| Alexander Clark |
Posted - 22 Dec 2016 : 18:53:24
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay
Maybe we can form a group made up of one of each, and call them 'The Metal Men'.
"The Metal Elves." If I had any talent in music I'd call my metal band that. |
| Markustay |
Posted - 22 Dec 2016 : 18:41:21
What about 'lead' Elves? Or Iron? Or Mercury, etc...
Maybe we can form a group made up of one of each, and call them 'The Metal Men'. |
| TBeholder |
Posted - 22 Dec 2016 : 03:00:42
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Hey, at least we don't have platinum and electrum elves, as well.
...in the Realms.
Only adamantine and... glassteel?  |
| Copper Elven Vampire |
Posted - 21 Dec 2016 : 15:16:55
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay
Every other source I've read says that wild elves are just wood elves with a more aggressive and isolationist culture.
It used to be where 'local canon' over-wrote generic D&D canon, but I really don't feel thats a valid case any lore, considering FR and D&D are the same thing now. When GH was the 'flagship' setting, wild elves were another type of wood elf, simple as that.
I'm not arguing that you are wrong - I believe the quote (don't have the book to look it up), but I just think the book itself got it wrong. I know the guys who wrote it - they try to cleave to every ounce of canon they can, for better or worse, and sometimes that isn't a good thing. Thats why we have TWO Wulgreths, and TWO Oboulds (and YES, I know some names are more common than others, but with the SAME DAMN HISTORY? Is it really worth jumping the shark just to keep some silly 1e timeline accurate? I don't think so...)
3e will always remain my favorite edition, because it created a new 'golden age' for D&D and RPGs in general, but I think they over-complicated everything with all those sub-races, PRCs, etc... just to sell more splat books. 3e died because they killed it.
And now they're going to do 'epic levels' in 5e... which tells me they are working on 6e right now. You have to kill something first, if you want to sell people something knew.
I guess I'm taking some of my general FR/D&D frustration out on Copper/Green elves, but honestly, what is the point in having a slightly more aggressive and and much more xenophobic group of wood elves being a separate sub-race, other than 'somebody in charge wanted it the way'?
Sometimes I think the designers ignore Occam's Razor and go for 'Bruenor's Blunt Battle-Hammer'. Over-complication for no other reason than because you can.
Cheers
That's a really good argument. I agree with you. |
| Markustay |
Posted - 21 Dec 2016 : 15:05:27
Every other source I've read says that wild elves are just wood elves with a more aggressive and isolationist culture.
It used to be where 'local canon' over-wrote generic D&D canon, but I really don't feel thats a valid case any lore, considering FR and D&D are the same thing now. When GH was the 'flagship' setting, wild elves were another type of wood elf, simple as that.
I'm not arguing that you are wrong - I believe the quote (don't have the book to look it up), but I just think the book itself got it wrong. I know the guys who wrote it - they try to cleave to every ounce of canon they can, for better or worse, and sometimes that isn't a good thing. Thats why we have TWO Wulgreths, and TWO Oboulds (and YES, I know some names are more common than others, but with the SAME DAMN HISTORY? Is it really worth jumping the shark just to keep some silly 1e timeline accurate? I don't think so...)
3e will always remain my favorite edition, because it created a new 'golden age' for D&D and RPGs in general, but I think they over-complicated everything with all those sub-races, PRCs, etc... just to sell more splat books. 3e died because they killed it.
And now they're going to do 'epic levels' in 5e... which tells me they are working on 6e right now. You have to kill something first, if you want to sell people something new.
I guess I'm taking some of my general FR/D&D frustration out on Copper/Green elves, but honestly, what is the point in having a slightly more aggressive and and much more xenophobic group of wood elves being a separate sub-race, other than 'somebody in charge wanted it the way'?
Sometimes I think the designers ignore Occam's Razor and go for 'Bruenor's Blunt Battle-Hammer'. Over-complication for no other reason than because you can.
Cheers
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| Copper Elven Vampire |
Posted - 21 Dec 2016 : 14:18:40
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay
Ah, a source I never bother to use (what little I've read in it, I don't care for or agree with - for some reason I feel they went out of their way to over-complicate certain things... like how many subraces of elves there are).
There are only three main branches of surface elves in FR - Gold, Silver, & Copper. Thats right our of the OGB. Mithril elves were added later, and I guess can be forgiven, but anything else was shoe-horned in later and filled with unnecessary redundancy. Calling an identical group a 'subrace' just because their culture is slightly more xenophobic is just plain wrong. To me, thats like saying liberals and conservatives are two different subraces of humans.
But whatever, I stand corrected.
Wood elves (Copper) have copper skin tinged and highlighted with green. Wild elves (Green) have brown skin and are more stocky in build. So it's more than just culture. It's hair color and skin color and body build as well. :) |
| Markustay |
Posted - 21 Dec 2016 : 01:32:22
Ah, a source I never bother to use (what little I've read in it, I don't care for or agree with - for some reason I feel they went out of their way to over-complicate certain things... like how many subraces of elves there are).
There are only three main branches of surface elves in FR - Gold, Silver, & Copper. Thats right our of the OGB. Mithril elves were added later, and I guess can be forgiven, but anything else was shoe-horned in later and filled with unnecessary redundancy. Calling an identical group a 'subrace' just because their culture is slightly more xenophobic is just plain wrong. To me, thats like saying liberals and conservatives are two different subraces of humans.
But whatever, I stand corrected.
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| Copper Elven Vampire |
Posted - 20 Dec 2016 : 20:25:23
Star elves are most like Moon elves in appearance. In 3.5ED Copper elves are Wood elves, and Wild elves are Green elves. i.e. Races of Faerun. Two completely different sub-races. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 20 Dec 2016 : 15:59:49
Hey, at least we don't have platinum and electrum elves, as well. |
| Markustay |
Posted - 20 Dec 2016 : 15:35:02
Wild Elves and Wood Elves are both sub-groups of the 'Green' group, as are the dark Elves (but not drow, so it would only apply to pre-descent, or any that got 'fixed' post-spellplague).
Because of the weirdness with calling the one group 'Dark Green Elves', I prefer the more folklorish 'Sylvan' Elves term to 'Green'.
EDIT:
Thinking further on it, 'Green' would be more like an ethnicity among elves, whereas 'Wild', 'Wood', and 'Dark' would be a cultural thing.
EDIT:
Which means Wild Elves ARE Copper Elves, beause the entirety of the 'Green' group should be classified as 'Copper' (just FR's term for one of the three main branches of surface elves).
And then someone added-in Star or 'Mithril' Elves along the way. Another case of 'one-upmanship', I would imagine - someone wanted and even 'Golder' gold elf. {sigh} |
| Copper Elven Vampire |
Posted - 20 Dec 2016 : 15:31:44
Copper elves and Wild elves are a separate sub-race. The wild elves, also know as Green elves, once had several powerful kingdoms spread all about the Shining South. The Copper elves, also known as Wood elves are part of the second generation of elven empires to spread about Faerun in the North. There is soooooo much more but I don't have any of my books. |
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