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| bane |
Posted - 23 Mar 2004 : 05:21:26
This is a arabian style ciry with people with bright coloured turbans, magic carpets and what not.
Can people tell me more about this place?
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| The Sage |
Posted - 29 Jun 2005 : 02:07:30
quote:
Originally posted by Chosen of Moradin
Chosen of Moradin, dreaming with an "Year of the Explorer" in the WotC, when we will see three 320 pages Campaign Expansions: Maztica, Kara Tur and Al Qadin...
I'm not so much dreaming of a 3e update for Maztica, but an update for both Kara-Tur and Zakhara would definitely be neato! 
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| Chosen of Moradin |
Posted - 28 Jun 2005 : 22:18:42
And only to donīt let this without be spoken, I think that Calimshan/Calimport deserves a 3.5 sourcebook. Soon. Weīre all orphans of a 3rd edition Jeff Grubīs Arabian Adventures.....
Chosen of Moradin, dreaming with an "Year of the Explorer" in the WotC, when we will see three 320 pages Campaign Expansions: Maztica, Kara Tur and Al Qadin... |
| George Krashos |
Posted - 24 Jun 2005 : 07:19:29
Project Alpha draws him ever deeper into the vortex of "no time for anything else"!
-- George Krashos
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| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 24 Jun 2005 : 03:18:01
quote:
Originally posted by Steven Schend
I wrote that quite a while ago and have had two hard drive crashes in the interim (actually within the past 2 months alone).
Any luck with my suggestions on the recent one, or have you continued to be too busy? |
| The Sage |
Posted - 24 Jun 2005 : 02:18:21
quote:
Originally posted by Smyther
Is there anything on Calimport in other supplements that hasn't been said in the 'Calimport' resource?
I know of 'Empires of the Sands,' and I'm sure there are others that include Calimshan (any new 3e supplements out there or coming?), but I wonder whether all that is needed on the city itself is contained within the booklet by Steven Schend?
Don't forget also, the 2e Empires of the Shining Sea boxed set, which greatly expands upon most of the pre-existing material on Calimport and its environs published in the original sourcebooks.
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| Steven Schend |
Posted - 24 Jun 2005 : 01:52:01
quote:
Originally posted by Smyther
Is there anything on Calimport in other supplements that hasn't been said in the 'Calimport' resource?
I know of 'Empires of the Sands,' and I'm sure there are others that include Calimshan (any new 3e supplements out there or coming?), but I wonder whether all that is needed on the city itself is contained within the booklet by Steven Schend?
In addition, Steven, if you read this, is there any information of Calimport of yours that never got in? Perhaps some tidbits on the Muzad?
I wrote that quite a while ago and have had two hard drive crashes in the interim (actually within the past 2 months alone). Thus, any notes I had left over re: Calimport are most likely dust in the wind...
That said, what I was able to cram into CALIMPORT wasn't even as much as Ed got into FR1 Waterdeep & the North on Waterdeep with less pages. So, the quick answer is "Gods no, that's hardly scratching the surface of what's at play in Calimport. It's only what's in print and or what we could glean from those sages who survived reaching us with their lore."
Off the top of my head, here are the factions that are in play across the City of Qysars....
the Syl-Pasha and his family and their retinue;
the previously ruling and powerful families;
the Church of Shar (which probably holds as much covert power as the two above groups combined);
The Twisted Rune (which, in its own arcane ways, influences as much as all three groups above);
and of course, don't forget the street level stuff that's more than likely going to distract PCs from bothering the big guns with their witless heroics....unless you're looking to join the rebellion that's smuggling halfling slaves out of the lesser cities--because most escaped slaves that try to flee via the Muzad are known as "walking sacrifices" (Can't find my arabic dictionary to muddle up a translation) and more apt to be blooded on an altar of Shar's (or one of her sham godly aliases, like Ibrandlin).
If we're going to talk more and brainstorm, do me a favor and let's move this discussion to my group, eh? |
| KnightErrantJR |
Posted - 23 Jun 2005 : 21:58:05
You know though, looking back on it, as much as I liked Servant of the Shard . . . in a city the size of Calimport, with all of the different guilds and crimelords, how did Artemis end up really being "The One" in charge of everything. I know the book spelled out the factions involved and all, but the city seems much smaller in that book than it was presented in say Calimport, Empires of the Sands, or any of the other sourcebooks . . . |
| Mumadar Ibn Huzal |
Posted - 23 Jun 2005 : 21:47:51
In the Drizzt books the city is visited and some feeling of life in that city can be gleaned from those books. I don't recall of the top of my head which books specifically visit Calimport, but I'm sure some of the other scribes will chime in. |
| Smyther |
Posted - 23 Jun 2005 : 18:43:29
Is there anything on Calimport in other supplements that hasn't been said in the 'Calimport' resource?
I know of 'Empires of the Sands,' and I'm sure there are others that include Calimshan (any new 3e supplements out there or coming?), but I wonder whether all that is needed on the city itself is contained within the booklet by Steven Schend?
In addition, Steven, if you read this, is there any information of Calimport of yours that never got in? Perhaps some tidbits on the Muzad? |
| Cherrn |
Posted - 27 Aug 2004 : 03:26:52
Still, the Vast could still have gotten a large influx of people from Damara when their time of greatness came to an end, hence the large majority of Russian sounding names. |
| Faraer |
Posted - 26 Aug 2004 : 18:41:59
First, I'm sceptical of the whole idea of people in the Heartlands being racially from this region that was placed on a glacier in order to tie the horrible H-series modules to the Realms. But even if you accept that, it doesn't mean the Vast has the same culture as Damara -- which is heavily based on Eastern Europe and Russia, unlike Ed's Realms which never works that way. And we have scores of attested, incontrovertible names from the Vast, from FRA's writeups of Calaunt, Procampur and Tantras, FRE2 Tantras, "Everwinking Eye" articles on Maskyr's Eye and the rest of the Vast (reprinted in City of Ravens Bluff) -- and none of them are Russian-based. |
| Cherrn |
Posted - 26 Aug 2004 : 17:14:08
Well, looking at the Vast in the Pgtf I see that the majority of people are of Damaran stock. Then looking at the FRCS for Damaran names I find this:
Male: Bor, Fodel, Glar, Grigor, Igan, Ivor, Kosef, Mival, Orel, Pavel, Sergor. Female: Alethra, Kara, Katernin, Mara, Natali, Olma, Tana, Zora. Surnames: Bersk, Chernin, Dotsk, Kulenov, Marsk, Nemetsk, Shemov, Starag.
Sounds like generally Russian sounding names to me. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 26 Aug 2004 : 15:32:23
quote:
Originally posted by Faraer
Giving a Calishite (Artemis was born in Memnon) or a Tethyrian or anyone in the Realms the name of a Greek goddess is lousy naming too.
Yeah, I'll agree with that one. |
| Faraer |
Posted - 26 Aug 2004 : 15:19:39
quote:
I believe that is because people from The Vast generally have Russian sounding names DDH_101
Nope. Here are male names from the Polyhedron articles on the Vast: Beliost, Galzar, Shaeld, Bluth, Nym, Buirin, Iljack, Ondreth, Naer, Glaurauth, Oblin, Kurth, Feljack, Uligker, Shondarl, Klonalogh, Rulisqer. Female names: Alaith, Riliyyn, Nionel, Lauryn, Mreeiel, Chyndrie, Satcheera, Shandreth. Pavel would be a bad name for Rashemen (which has a Russian influence but not literal Russian names), and worse still for the Vast (despite the crazy retcon that the people of Damara, which wasn't part of the Realms until 1987, are a major ethnic group). Giving a Calishite (Artemis was born in Memnon) or a Tethyrian or anyone in the Realms the name of a Greek goddess is lousy naming too. |
| jinat |
Posted - 26 Aug 2004 : 12:42:05
Ah - now that explains a lot. For the longest time ive had trouble with his name, finally someone has made things clear - thankx. Back to the flavor of Calimshan. The bedine of Anarouch, Calimshan, Turmish and Zakhara all seem to be of similar cultural backgrounds. Are there any others, and are the people of the same ethnic stock. I know the bedine are originally from Zakhara - but what about the others? |
| DDH_101 |
Posted - 25 Aug 2004 : 19:38:58
Cherrn, I think you are correct. Artemis was like a slave of some sort and he was delivered to Calimport. |
| Cherrn |
Posted - 25 Aug 2004 : 14:19:01
But isn't Artemis a native from Tethyr, who moved to Calimport ? |
| jinat |
Posted - 25 Aug 2004 : 11:58:21
quote:
Originally posted by Cherrn
I believe that is because people from The Vast generally have Russian sounding names DDH_101
Thats my understanding too about the Vast.
Ive always had a problem with cultural inconsistency and naming conventions in FR. Dont get me wrong thou before people get offended - FR is still one of my fav shared world.
For example why do we have Akbar Bel Akash from Turmish and then suddenly we have "Jewel of Turmish" which represents a totally different culture from what was presented in the "Finders Stone" books.
Why is Bruenor's hammer called 'Aegis-Fang'
Back to Artemise, i dont think his name suits a native of Calimshan at all. |
| Cherrn |
Posted - 25 Aug 2004 : 04:58:16
I believe that is because people from The Vast generally have Russian sounding names DDH_101 |
| DDH_101 |
Posted - 25 Aug 2004 : 03:16:40
Well, there's many times where the names of characters don't even seem to fit Forgotten Realms at all. For example, I just finished reading The Rage and there's a priest of Lathander in there named Pavel. Pavel is a Russian name and didn't exactly fit into FR but sometimes that's how things go. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 24 Aug 2004 : 20:17:18
quote:
Originally posted by DDH_101
Greek sounding? When has Entreri ever talked like a Greek? In fact, how can you even tell how any of the characters sound or talk like? The only ones that we can guess on are the dwarves in RAS's books who have that Scottish-style speech.
Perhaps he was referring to the name, Artemis Entreri, and not how he spoke. After all, Artemis is the name of a Greek goddess. |
| DDH_101 |
Posted - 24 Aug 2004 : 18:38:37
Greek sounding? When has Entreri ever talked like a Greek? In fact, how can you even tell how any of the characters sound or talk like? The only ones that we can guess on are the dwarves in RAS's books who have that Scottish-style speech. |
| jinat |
Posted - 24 Aug 2004 : 18:07:53
You know what i dont get is that if Calimshan is all bright turbins and flying carpets - why is Artemise Entreri so greek sounding. |
| Charon |
Posted - 08 Apr 2004 : 04:12:50
quote:
Originally posted by fanatic
thazien -> sembia series book 5 (?) title Sands of soul.
thazi teleports froms selgaunt to calimport, where she starts her serch for (i think he was a wraith) a sorcerer whom she kills (what a surprise)
the other thing is deep down somwhere in my brain since itīs years time i read the books. -> danilo Thann and his half elven assasin companion (yes, she who weakds a moonblade) ahhhhh -> arlin moonblade (i think thats it).
(same series where elaith craulnobler appears)
books by elain cunningham
elfsong, elfshadow, .....
thank you deeply friend |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 07 Apr 2004 : 08:52:44
quote:
Originally posted by Steven Schend
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I believe you are correct... Though it's been a while since I read that novel. It's far from my list of favorites...
Too bad; I rather enjoyed NIGHT PARADE as a departure from standard sword & sorcery tropes. It was like the difference between reading a Batman story and a Doom Patrol story.
Steven
That one just never grabbed me like some of the other books have...
Perhaps I should give it a second chance. The Lord of the Rings trilogy didn't grab me when I read it in HS, but when I re-read it right before the first movie came out, I found it immensely enjoyable... |
| fanatic |
Posted - 07 Apr 2004 : 08:41:51
thazien -> sembia series book 5 (?) title Sands of soul.
thazi teleports froms selgaunt to calimport, where she starts her serch for (i think he was a wraith) a sorcerer whom she kills (what a surprise)
the other thing is deep down somwhere in my brain since itīs years time i read the books. -> danilo Thann and his half elven assasin companion (yes, she who weakds a moonblade) ahhhhh -> arlin moonblade (i think thats it).
(same series where elaith craulnobler appears)
books by elain cunningham
elfsong, elfshadow, ..... |
| Charon |
Posted - 07 Apr 2004 : 03:38:29
quote:
Originally posted by fanatic
you think that hitīs it?`
i think there is much more to explore in calimport. well yes itīs the place where artemis grew up, but is that the only fascinating thing there?
danilo thann was there too and had "meetings" with the assasins guild.
tazien traveled there to get her revenge on the bad guy of "sands of soul" (canīt remember his name)
well i think there is more to this place than meets the eye.
yes, not only grew up but changed, affected and literally ruled the underworld of Calimport...i would like to know more however about these other things you spoke of fanatic
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| Steven Schend |
Posted - 06 Apr 2004 : 18:23:33
quote:
Originally posted by DDH_101
Hmmm... this info is all going to be coming off the top of my head so if there are any errors in my info, please feel free to point them out.
Calimport is the capital city of the Calimshan Empire. It's probably the largest city in the Sword Coast, if not all of Faerun. Just the market of Calimport is supposedly the size of like a ward of Waterdeep. Calimport has a huge criminal underworld that has extensive ties with the government and it exists mostly in the Docks section, since the richer and better sections are protected by guards. The biggest guilds; the Basadoni guild, the Rakers, etc, basically control the docks and also many parts of Calimport. The leaders of these guilds are all powerful and imposing figures that influence many of the everyday events in Calimport.
bane, if you want more info on Calimport, go to Wizard's website and download the manual for free in the download section.
The only correction I'd mention here is that the underworld of Calimport is bigger than noted. The Calimport Muzad exists all over the city and instead of it being like Waterdeep with sewers and then the dungeons, there's a whole city ala Skullport in areas where the city simply built over old neighborhoods, etc. All told, you might have at least as much space as four wards of Waterdeep beneath the city that are fully inhabited and used as bases for criminal activity. Add that to a temple complex to Shar that is about the size of the Vatican City and/or the City of the Dead (at least) in Waterdeep. 
Steven
Who would love to write a novel some time down thataways but figures Bob Salvatore has first dibs as most fans would expect an Artemis Entreri story |
| Steven Schend |
Posted - 06 Apr 2004 : 18:19:08
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote:
Originally posted by Jacinth Greyfox
Wasn't the Harper Novel, "The Night Parade" set in Calimport? An regular outer-planar incursion intended to harvest the children of the city?
I believe you are correct... Though it's been a while since I read that novel. It's far from my list of favorites...
Too bad; I rather enjoyed NIGHT PARADE as a departure from standard sword & sorcery tropes. It was like the difference between reading a Batman story and a Doom Patrol story.
Steven |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 06 Apr 2004 : 17:38:40
quote:
Originally posted by Jacinth Greyfox
Wasn't the Harper Novel, "The Night Parade" set in Calimport? An regular outer-planar incursion intended to harvest the children of the city?
I believe you are correct... Though it's been a while since I read that novel. It's far from my list of favorites... |
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