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| mastermustard |
Posted - 15 Jan 2016 : 23:48:06
Is there a formula somewhere out there?
If anyone knows the lifting ability of a PC with 25 str I'd be glad for the input.
Thanks,
Mustard |
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| Baltas |
Posted - 31 Jan 2016 : 02:10:31
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I get that they'd have to have a stronger skeletal structure and more musculature... But at the same time, they're just bigger versions of humans. Even at 2 tons, you're increasing their weight more than 200 times for not even 3 times the height (assuming 200 lb humans standing 6 feet even).
Yes, but the mass and volume, increase geometrically, and if we assume the Hill Giant is around 3 times bigger than a human of 200 pounds(especially since Hill Giants are hunched back), this would multiply geometrically. So 3^3, or 3 x 3 x3 = 27. 27 x 200, gives alone 5400 pounds, which is around 2.7 tonnes. With increased muscle and bone thickness, the Hill Giant could be even heavier.
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Originally posted by Artemas Entreri
Another thing to remember is that the bigger you get, the less strength to weight/size ratio you have. We all know ants can lift 50x their own body weight. Larger creatures can't even come close to this.
Yes but Hill Giants, were shown as superbly strong, even for their size. Have you ever tried to uproot, or break of a small(3-4 foot tall) tree? It's very hard, and even a powerfully built person could have some trouble. Yet Hill Giants are often shown uprooting, and breaking of trees in artworks, to use as clubs. And from the artworks, it seems the Hill Giants done it with one arm.
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| Artemas Entreri |
Posted - 31 Jan 2016 : 01:25:29
Another thing to remember is that the bigger you get, the less strength to weight/size ratio you have. We all know ants can lift 50x their own body weight. Larger creatures can't even come close to this. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 31 Jan 2016 : 01:00:05
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Originally posted by Baltas
Well, I get your point Wooly, but Elephants, who are slightly bigger than Hill Giants, can weight up to 7 tonnes.
White rhinos, are argubly a bit closer in terms of size and mass, if they stood on two hind legs, and white rhinos can weight up to 2.4 tonnes(5,000 pounds).
But still, Hill Giants would have heavier limbs, accounting for legs being more muscled to and with thicker bones to support all of the weight, and upper/front limbs being longer.
So while 3 tonnes may be a little much, I think Hill Giants could weight commonly 2 tonnes.
I get that they'd have to have a stronger skeletal structure and more musculature... But at the same time, they're just bigger versions of humans. Even at 2 tons, you're increasing their weight more than 200 times for not even 3 times the height (assuming 200 lb humans standing 6 feet even). |
| Baltas |
Posted - 30 Jan 2016 : 16:42:38
Well, I get your point Wooly, but Elephants, who are slightly bigger than Hill Giants, can weight up to 7 tonnes.
White rhinos, are argubly a bit closer in terms of size and mass, if they stood on two hind legs, and white rhinos can weight up to 2.4 tonnes(5,000 pounds).
But still, Hill Giants would have heavier limbs, accounting for legs being more muscled to and with thicker bones to support all of the weight, and upper/front limbs being longer.
So while 3 tonnes may be a little much, I think Hill Giants could weight commonly 2 tonnes.
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| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 30 Jan 2016 : 15:52:11
Honestly, the 3 ton weight seems excessive, for me. I'd think a ton, ton and a half at most. |
| Baltas |
Posted - 29 Jan 2016 : 15:46:11
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Originally posted by Barastir
Dunno about other editions, but in 2e Monstrous Manual the Hill Giant is "only" 16 feet tall (the ones in your picture seem to be way larger...).
Well, it's a halfling village, so it may not be the best pic...
But stil, hill giants, at 16 feet, would weight about 3 tonnes at least, seeing their heavy set body build. An elephant can weight 7 tonnes.
And again, I think a hill giant would be at least able to lift the equivalent of their own weight, as Hill Giants are consistently presented as musculary built.
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To be clear, this is the 2E Hill Giant:
http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/forgottenrealms/images/4/4f/Monstrous_Manual_2e_-_Hill_Giant_-_p141.png
We can see the Hill Giant here has powerfull built, long, ape-like(most like those of an chimpanzee or gorilla) arms, alongside an overally impresive body build, so I guess they would weight 3 tonnes at the height of 16 feet as I suggested before, and maximally lift as much.
Also, here is a better picture, I think, that shows the size of Hill Giants:
http://smg.photobucket.com/user/CJGMURPG/media/motivators/HillGiants.jpg.html
Yes, they seem pretty big, but 16 feet is a lot. It's over twice, nearly trice the common height of a human. |
| Barastir |
Posted - 29 Jan 2016 : 15:13:35
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Originally posted by Baltas
This are Hill Giants:
http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/attachments/48/981/635032483629933995.jpg
Dunno about other editions, but in 2e Monstrous Manual the Hill Giant is "only" 16 feet tall (the ones in your picture seem to be way larger...). |
| Baltas |
Posted - 29 Jan 2016 : 14:58:55
Also, in 5E/Next, 25 Strenght would translate to 250 pounds unencumbered of carrying, and encumbered 500 pounds, and lifting strenght of 1250 pounds.
Again, this is about human sized races. With size modifiers, it changes a bit... |
| Artemas Entreri |
Posted - 29 Jan 2016 : 13:49:34
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Originally posted by mastermustard
Is there a formula somewhere out there?
If anyone knows the lifting ability of a PC with 25 str I'd be glad for the input.
Thanks,
Mustard
Out of morbid curiosity, what's the race of the PC who has a 25 str? |
| Baltas |
Posted - 29 Jan 2016 : 13:27:19
Well, the Strenght values translating into carrying and lifting limits, was and is a bit strange in D&D.
For example 19 strenght, could carry 480 pounds and max lift 640 punds in AD&D 1e and 2E. In AD&D 1E and 2E Hill Giants also had 19 Strenght.
This are Hill Giants:
http://media-dominaria.cursecdn.com/attachments/48/981/635032483629933995.jpg
So by logicaly, a AD&D PC with 19 strenght, should be able to at least carry a couple of tonnes, or several thousands of pounds...
But still, this is the official translation on how much a PC with 25 Strenght could carry:
http://www.ancientscrossroads.com/adnd_tools/str_table.htm
Here is the official carrying capacity table in d20/D&D 3.5:
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/carryingCapacity.htm
But again, according to this, a hill giant, counting it's size(Large) and Strenght(29) can carry maximally about little over 2000 pounds or little over 1 ton. While seeing it's size, and musculature, a Hill Giant should be able to carry several tonnes.
So, officially, a PC in 3.5 would able to carry maximally 800 pounds, and in 1E-2E lift 1535 pounds and maximally lift 1750 pounds.
But, in 1E and 2E, Hercules/Herakles had 25 Strenght. And Hercules, could lift the whole planet Earth(weights 5,972,190,000,000,000,000,000 tonnes) or firmament(of comparable weight, if not greater) depending on version. And to be clear, Hercules/Herakles, done so for several days, constantly...
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| Delwa |
Posted - 16 Jan 2016 : 02:09:56
There's a section in the 5e PHB that lists how much each Strength Score can Push/Drag/Carry. There's one in the 3.5 books, too. |
| Kentinal |
Posted - 16 Jan 2016 : 00:08:38
Well there was in the older editions, not sure if it was translated into the newer ones.
In 2nd Edition a 25 Str. could carry 1,535 pounds, could push (Max lift) 1750. |
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