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| Lyiat |
Posted - 18 Oct 2014 : 20:45:15
Does anyone have anything remotely resembling a list of example gods in Kozakura/Kara-Tur? I've only been able to find all of two. |
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| Markustay |
Posted - 20 Oct 2014 : 04:04:51
A bunch of Faerūnian deities are mentioned in the 3 Hordelands modules, Cyric amongst them as Padhrasattvas (Buddhas).
Which is really odd, since the lore is meant to be something that was around for awhile, and yet Cyric had only recently attained divine status at that time.
I just looked that part up - another is Mahvidi, the Padhrasattva of Erudition. Interesting, because I never noticed that there was a race (that dwelt in huge anthill-like mounds) know as the Maviddi, and I have to wonder if there was a connection. I had always thought that the Maviddi may have been Dark Elves of the east who were transformed along with the rest of the drow, even though they had no part in those events (hence, them living 'underground' in mounds). Drow are the only elves known to exist in the east (beyond the Hordelands, that is); they even appeared in one module as ninja.
Another thing - The First Empire of Shou-Lung was also known as the Third empire of Imaskar (Anok-Imaskar), and Tan Chin was its ruler. Anyhow, if you go through the Desert of Desolation adventure arc it appears that Imaskar (the survivor states, at any rate) kept detailed records of ALL the pantheons, and not just Faerūnian, which means the 10,000 gods could simply mean 'all the gods of the Great Wheel'. Since mocking the gods did them little good, I would think that the survivors (including early Shou-Lung) would have wanted to 'make amends', and decided to hedge-their-bets by not leaving anyone out.
Anyhow, I know the Chinese Judge of the Dead (Yen-Wang-Yeh) also appears in that series, and a lot more religious stuff can be gleaned from the Ronin Challenge 2e update (look under the Perpustikaan library entry - the 'Candlekeep' of the east).
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| ZeshinX |
Posted - 19 Oct 2014 : 20:36:14
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Originally posted by Lyiat
Kozakura and Wa are both Japan... I take it they are different eras? Know which ones by chance?
Closest approximation (to me) would be thus:
Wa - Tokugawa shogunate
Kozakura - Sengoku (Warring States) era |
| Lyiat |
Posted - 19 Oct 2014 : 18:56:06
Kozakura and Wa are both Japan... I take it they are different eras? Know which ones by chance? |
| hashimashadoo |
Posted - 19 Oct 2014 : 18:25:21
Yes, Wa culture is based on the Tokugawa shogunate which had a policy known as sakoku which meant that no foreigner could enter and no national could leave under penalty of death. Trade still existed and even prospered, though the policy restricted foreign trade to certain ports. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 19 Oct 2014 : 15:16:08
As I recall, Wa is really isolationist, compared to Shou Lung and (I think) Kozakura. Wa seems to very much have an "us against them" mentality, with "them" being defined as anyone or anything not native to Wa. |
| sleyvas |
Posted - 19 Oct 2014 : 14:31:15
Hmmm, this was interesting in looking at the religions of Wa. Apparently the worship of a Faerunian deity (for this was surely Chauntea... its mentioned as a deity that improves harvests) was adamantly fought.
"Worship of Chantea is strictly prohibited and punishable by death. Originally introduced by a strange
race from the west, the Chantea faith was officially eradicated after the Juzimura rebellion of 1755. However, it is suspected that Chantea worshippers still practice the forbidden faith in isolated areas of the country."
and this
"Bokika Hokio, Tozama daimyo of Fochu;
samurai, 16th level; LE, human male.
When Bokika Hokio served as daimyo of Juzikura, he brazenly gave sanctuary to Chantea priests, knowing
full well that worship of Chantea was forbidden by the state. Hokio saw no harm in their simple faith;
if the deity did indeed exist, worshiping him might result in better harvests. As a nephew of the shogun,
Hokio had little fear of reprisal.
He was wrong. In 1753, the shogun surrounded Juzikura Castle with a force of 15,000 samurai, but found the defenses impregnable. After weeks of futile and bloody battle, the shogun offered to allow Hokio and his officers to retain their status if they surrendered.
With dwindling supplies, Hokio agreed. The Chantea priests were executed, and Hokio was relocated to the barren and isolated Fochu province. The shogun allowed Hokio to remain a daimyo, but his status was reduced to tozama. Juzijura Castle was destroyed two years later when it was taken again by Chantea cultists.
Hokio today is a bitter and vengeful man. A giant of a man with fiery red eyes and rippling muscles, he has
an explosive temper and no tolerance for disobedience. His temper is legendary. His attention to administrative details is cursory at best. He is actively recruiting sympathetic accomplices for revenge on
the shogunate."
"Jutei-Ni, wife of the daimyo of Rukimbaru;
normal human; LG, human female.
Jutei-Ni is the daughter of a Rukimbaru grocer. When Jutei-Ni#146;s father died, her mother sold the business
and used the money to bribe an official into appointing her as a cook in the household of Matasuuri
Kimmu, the daimyo of Rukimbaru. Jutei-Ni, bored with her kitchen duties, would slip away to the
castle library to read and study.
She was discovered one day and was brought to the young daimyo for punishment. But Kimmu was
charmed by her independence and imagination, and her full lips and flowing hair She, too, was taken with
his kindness and handsome face. They were married within the year.
Jutei-Ni is inquisitive, charitable, and passionate. In a fairer world, she rightfully would be a daimyo herself, but she is content with being the unofficial first advisor to her husband. Against official policy, she encourages foreign studies and urges leniency for criminals with families. She advocates laws protecting animals and promotes reinstatement of the Chantea cults as an officially recognized religion. Her outspokenness has earned her many enemies." |
| sleyvas |
Posted - 19 Oct 2014 : 14:05:20
we were discussing at one point that these were probably simply place spirits like telthors, ghosts, elemental spirits, fey beings, etc... and the fact that they were called gods was a misnomer. The spirit shaman would fit this environment well, and the witches of Rashemen would probably be able to share ideas with them. |
| Lyiat |
Posted - 19 Oct 2014 : 06:39:39
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Originally posted by sfdragon
I thought Elminster was the demi-god of meddling old wizards....
Do ye mean to imply that He is not? |
| sfdragon |
Posted - 19 Oct 2014 : 03:00:09
I thought Elminster was the demi-god of meddling old wizards.... |
| Markustay |
Posted - 19 Oct 2014 : 00:14:58
I had a working one, but thats long gone now. A chunk of them were just Faerūnian deities with altered/different names. You have to go through all the adventure modules to find them.
Anyhow, they also had some Hindu/Vedic deities that came over from the Malatra region (southern KT/Indianesque area). Putting all that together, I surmised that aside from the regular Chinese (and perhaps Japanese) pantheons present, that K-T's gods were inclusive, and they considered all deities part of their greater pantheon (the Celestial Bureaucracy). They even consider Elminster a 'demi-god' (and I assume all Chosen would be) - that was in at least two different sources, IIRC. |
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