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| hobbitfan |
Posted - 09 Jul 2014 : 07:28:32
Are those demihuman gods that were "revealed" to be aspects of other gods going to be back?
Is Yondalla back for the halflings or is she still an aspect of Chauntea?
What about Gruumsh and Talos?
What about the missing Duergar and Drow deities?
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| Ayrik |
Posted - 11 Jul 2014 : 03:24:52
Phfft, watcha mean by asking if these deities will be back?
Moradin never left. He still sits upon his grand mithril throne in his grand stone halls under his grand (and mighty) mountain stronghold, using his battleaxe to sharpen his other battleaxe while he dreams of slaying orcs. Right where we left him.
And that annoying Corellon (along with his fickle little pack of Seldarine followers) still menaces the forests and hides behind dancing Feywild rainbows. Right where we left him, too, unfortunately.
Gruumsh is no aspect of Talos, regardless of the lies published over a decade of canon and dozens upon dozens of sourcebooks and novels. Even now, he builds an epic horde which will destroy the treacherous Many-Arrows scum who have dared to defy their own creator, god, and master. I promise blood, mud, iron, and pain when he marches forth, for Gruumsh shows no mercy. Mercy is for weaklings.
So why presume the deities of lesser demihumans haven‘t cowered away in their peculiar ways, waiting for the edition-pendulum to swing once more towards the glories of the races? |
| Irennan |
Posted - 09 Jul 2014 : 23:13:19
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Originally posted by Faraer
See also the third paragraph of chapter 2. In the introductory rules, they're establishing the possibility of exceptional dark elves but not defining them as a known class, a bit like the way the original Monster Manual mentioned the drow as mere legend, or how they must have appeared to Ed's players in Shadowdale, before the overexposure began. The stories of Drizzt and Qilué are based on a good-aligned drow being a remarkable tale, not a standard thing.
I know that such cases are very rare, after all the followers of Eilistraee are portrayed as 'figures of myth' in many sources about her, and it's part of their charm (that's why I said that simply writing a few would have been more inclusive).
I was turned off because -as I said- I read the line as 'there's only Drizzt the super drow' and that led me to think that Eilistraee could only return as a brown drow goddess (or -way worse- that they decided to ignore her entirely), but it was an error on my side. Also I forgot about that paragraph, again thanks for making me notice. |
| Faraer |
Posted - 09 Jul 2014 : 23:07:19
See also the third paragraph of chapter 2. In the introductory rules, they're establishing the possibility of exceptional dark elves but not defining them as a known class, a bit like the way the original Monster Manual mentioned the drow as mere legend, or how they must have appeared to Ed's players in Shadowdale, before the overexposure began. The stories of Drizzt and Qilué are based on a good-aligned drow being a remarkable tale, not a standard thing. |
| Irennan |
Posted - 09 Jul 2014 : 22:56:15
Oh, I didn't pay attention to that. English is not my first language and sometimes details like that escape me.
I understand that they might not want to mention Eilistraee and her followers in a basic rules document (even if that blurb described how the FR drow can be different from the normality), however saying something like 'Yet a few drow managed to break the mold. Among them[...]' would have been more inclusive. Nonetheless I misunderstood their wording and it could be that the doors for more than the one expection are actually open.
Thanks for making me notice that. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 09 Jul 2014 : 22:37:48
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Originally posted by Irennan
But then you have the blurb about drow in the basic D&D rules document, which refers FR as the only setting where they are not completely evil and yet specifically says that there's only one exception in the whole race (they could have written something like 'there are a few exceptions', instead of 'there's only one', which basically is the same as acting like previous drow lore doesn't matter).
Actually, it doesn't say there is only one...
"Were it not for one renowned exception, the race of drow would be universally reviled."
That isn't say there is only one good drow, it's only saying that there is one widely-known good drow.
Further, it goes on to say (after describing how most drow are less than cuddly), "Yet one drow, at least, broke the mold." Bolding mine -- those two words right there open the doors for more than just the "one renowned exception". |
| Irennan |
Posted - 09 Jul 2014 : 10:30:48
Nothing clear on that yet, AFAIK.
IIRC, one of the duergar deities (probably Deep Duerra) is mentioned in one of the Sundering adventures (should be ''Scourge of the Sword Coast'').
Vhaeraun seems to have a chosen in ''The Adversary''.
Eilistraee is NDA atm and there seem to be plans for her return (or at least this is what I get from one of THO's posts here:
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Ed tells me it's HIGHLY likely we haven't seen the last of Eilistraee.
So I can see where Blueblade formed that impression.
And I happen to know that in the initial outlining stages of The Herald, Ed was specifically being asked to prune back the cast of "big-name" characters onstage. Partly to keep the book from becoming unwieldy or too long, and partly because of other, still secret plans. My own guess is that Eilistraee is part of those.
But I could be wrong. There are things Ed can't talk about, and when we're face to face he has a way of grinning and shaking his head to signal when I've asked about one of them . . . and he has done this when asked about Eilistraee (who is his creation, remember).
love,
THO
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But then you have the blurb about drow in the basic D&D rules document, which refers FR as the only setting where they are not completely evil and yet specifically says that there's only one exception in the whole race (they could have written something like 'there are a few exceptions', instead of 'there's only one', which basically is the same as acting like previous drow lore doesn't matter).
I might be reading too much in that, but it leads me to think that a returned Eilistraee would most likely be a 'brown' drow goddess and that all the drow who chose redemption would get descent-lifted by Corellon as a sort of reward, so that 'black' drow could be the one-note 'ebil' race they want them to (this curse-lifting is far from what Eilistraee is about, but I'll be happy even if they bring back her like this, as long as she and what she stands for are actually back).
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