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| silverwolfer |
Posted - 19 May 2014 : 15:27:03
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/134601-Dungeons-Dragons-Unveils-Full-Product-Line-Release-Dates-and-Details |
| 30 L A T E S T R E P L I E S (Newest First) |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 27 May 2014 : 20:18:51
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Originally posted by Irennan
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Originally posted by Delwa
Here you are! More details. The Basic Rules and info will be free.
http://www.wizards.com/dnd/Article.aspx?x=dnd/4ll/20140527
Good move.
I concur. That was a very good move on their part. It may even help get some people back from Pathfinder. |
| Zireael |
Posted - 27 May 2014 : 19:08:55
quote:
Originally posted by Delwa
Here you are! More details. The Basic Rules and info will be free.
http://www.wizards.com/dnd/Article.aspx?x=dnd/4ll/20140527
That's great news! |
| Irennan |
Posted - 27 May 2014 : 18:10:21
quote:
Originally posted by Delwa
Here you are! More details. The Basic Rules and info will be free.
http://www.wizards.com/dnd/Article.aspx?x=dnd/4ll/20140527
Good move. |
| silverwolfer |
Posted - 27 May 2014 : 18:07:07
Dnd free to play model |
| Plaguescarred |
Posted - 27 May 2014 : 18:03:01
quote:
Originally posted by Delwa
Here you are! More details. The Basic Rules and info will be free.
http://www.wizards.com/dnd/Article.aspx?x=dnd/4ll/20140527
What a great news! Making the entry point a free PDF will make access to the game easier than ever!!
I also like the fact that the PDF will be revisited with updates as the game evolve!! |
| Delwa |
Posted - 27 May 2014 : 06:00:05
Here you are! More details. The Basic Rules and info will be free.
http://www.wizards.com/dnd/Article.aspx?x=dnd/4ll/20140527 |
| Gyor |
Posted - 27 May 2014 : 02:51:55
I don't believe that the MM is going to be just like the miniumalist playtest bestiary. From past Lengend and Lore articles I'm under the impression that it will contain stuff like ecology, society and so on as makes sense for a particle creature.
Also there will be Lengendary creatures as well with a whole lot of cool other stuff.
The stats will likely been that simple stile, but the fluff will be greater for many if not most creatures. |
| Delwa |
Posted - 26 May 2014 : 15:15:00
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote:
Originally posted by Delwa
If Monsters remain like the play test, then a simple paragraph in the MM would be sufficient for encounter building, as each monster would be worth a given amount of XP, and you're building encounters on an XP budget.
Oh, ye dancing gods, I hope that they don't go this route. Monster books are so much more useful when we have more than "it looks like this and fights like that" as the write-up. The 2E monster books from TSR were the pinnacle of D&D monster books, and WotC has consistently underwhelmed with their monsters since then.
My fave monster books from all of the post-2E era were the Monsternomicon books for the Iron Kingdoms, because they gave complete monster write-ups.
As much as I like Pathfinder, even their monster books don't compare to the 2E ones.
I want full descriptions -- I want most of the page to be given to the monster's appearance, its habits, its organization, and the uses for it when it's dead. Give me something other than "XP/HP Assembly #4,387." Make monsters useful for something other than pincushions for swords.
Sorry, I didn't mean each monster would be just a stat block.
I've not seen anything to indicate that, they seem to be leaning to what you described in terms of monsters.
I meant instead of the two or three pages on CR / ECL, and tables like in the 3.5 DMG, they have just a simple paragraph or column like they did in the play test for building encounters against an XP budget, and they could put it in the back of the Monster Manual. Each monster could have it's own page, complete with tactics, stats, and ecology. Also on that page would be how much XP the monsters are worth, for example, an Ogre warrior is worth Y amount of XP, but an Ogre Mage is worth Z amount.
I do want the old second edition style entries, I love them. |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 26 May 2014 : 01:06:14
quote:
Originally posted by Delwa
If Monsters remain like the play test, then a simple paragraph in the MM would be sufficient for encounter building, as each monster would be worth a given amount of XP, and you're building encounters on an XP budget.
Oh, ye dancing gods, I hope that they don't go this route. Monster books are so much more useful when we have more than "it looks like this and fights like that" as the write-up. The 2E monster books from TSR were the pinnacle of D&D monster books, and WotC has consistently underwhelmed with their monsters since then.
My fave monster books from all of the post-2E era were the Monsternomicon books for the Iron Kingdoms, because they gave complete monster write-ups.
As much as I like Pathfinder, even their monster books don't compare to the 2E ones.
I want full descriptions -- I want most of the page to be given to the monster's appearance, its habits, its organization, and the uses for it when it's dead. Give me something other than "XP/HP Assembly #4,387." Make monsters useful for something other than pincushions for swords. |
| Delwa |
Posted - 25 May 2014 : 16:58:15
I thought this might be helpful to the discussion, as it provides details on each core book's contents and can help you assess the value of the book.
http://goo.gl/ooZsDi
It sounds like the DMG is going to be more like 3E's Unearthed Arcana, providing more rules options to customize your game than actually providing additional rules needed to play.
This would make the PHB all that more valuable, IMO.
If Monsters remain like the play test, then a simple paragraph in the MM would be sufficient for encounter building, as each monster would be worth a given amount of XP, and you're building encounters on an XP budget.
That leaves magic item creation and the optional rules to either the PHB or DMG.
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| Gary Dallison |
Posted - 25 May 2014 : 16:18:17
It is a weird situation we are in. You have to love WoTC for 3rd edition and d20 it was a stroke of genius. But then everything after it was so awful I feel nothing but hatred towards them.
Can you love and hate something at the same time?
I prefer to think that after 3rd edition WoTC were infiltrated by some kind of evil alien race like in the body snatchers |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 25 May 2014 : 14:13:06
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Originally posted by George Krashos
If they had the power to revoke the 3E gaming licence, I'd like to see anyone keep up. Pathfinder should kiss WotC's behind daily.
-- George Krashos
That's quite true... Paizo would be nowhere without the OGL. Which helps explains the rather draconian terms of the GSL. One of the terms was, as I recall, "publish anything for 4E, and you'll never touch 3E again." Another was, again going by memory, "we can revoke this at any time, it's your job to see if we have, and if we do, you're screwed and have no legal recourse to do diddley about it."
I still think the OGL was a brilliant maneuver on WotC's part... It's just that the folks who wrote it didn't know the rules were going to go in a radically different direction, several years later. Which is another reason for Paizo to thank WotC: even with the OGL, if 4E hadn't been very different from 3E, there wouldn't have been that much of a market for Pathfinder. |
| George Krashos |
Posted - 25 May 2014 : 08:39:26
If they had the power to revoke the 3E gaming licence, I'd like to see anyone keep up. Pathfinder should kiss WotC's behind daily.
-- George Krashos |
| Neo2151 |
Posted - 25 May 2014 : 02:51:22
Totally agree with Wooly here. Those are very small books for $50 a pop, and you don't even get all the rules in a single book?
Once upon a time, maybe. Back in the day, if you wanted to play D&D, you only really had one choice: WotC. But times have changed and expectations have changed with them, and WotC doesn't have a monopoly on "D&D" anymore.
WotC should be embarrassed that they can't keep up. |
| Gyor |
Posted - 24 May 2014 : 13:38:22
http://m.indigo.ca/product/books/players-handbook/9780786965601?ikwid=player's%20handbook&ikwsec=Home
You can get the book for 37 $ Canadian.
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| Irennan |
Posted - 24 May 2014 : 11:14:02
It will come later, I guess... |
| Delandil Aenar |
Posted - 24 May 2014 : 10:18:26
I can't see a Setting book, are they willing to print one, or the informations about the realms will be included in the player's guide? |
| Caladan Brood |
Posted - 23 May 2014 : 18:08:51
I love me some FR minis |
| Zireael |
Posted - 23 May 2014 : 17:01:27
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I wouldnt place the blame for regional pricing onto WotC. Publishing and distribution costs for books are always increased [...]
Although, of course, they decide what the base price tag will be. This can be squarely blamed on Wizbro.
Exactly, the higher the base price, the higher the prices abroad because regional publishers want their share of the cake too. |
| Tarlyn |
Posted - 21 May 2014 : 23:22:48
I have already pre-order my copies of the PHB and first leg of the Tyranny of Dragons. The price seems to be reasonable compared to other RPGs and I thought the playtest info was great. |
| neuronphaser |
Posted - 21 May 2014 : 22:37:57
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Originally posted by Mirtek
I wouldn't bet on that. I suspect the revenue from novel is much bigger than the revenue from game materials and there there are more novel reader only FR than actual FR D&D players
Considering how many FR novels have been on the NY Times list, I'd have to agree with this. |
| Gary Dallison |
Posted - 21 May 2014 : 19:17:11
Its only going to be a variation on the d20 ruleset with different class abilities and new names for saving throws, feats, skills etc.
I'm not going to pay $150 when the 3rd edition rules were very good and with the few tweaks that I've spent the last few years doing they are perfect for me so why should I pay $150 for something I only have a passing interest in.
If they aren't going to release them for free like the SRD then I won't even look at them. And if they do release them for free like the SRD then I will buy them if I like them, but only in pdf format at a reasonable price. |
| Mirtek |
Posted - 21 May 2014 : 19:05:22
quote:
Originally posted by Dalor Darden
I'm buying them.
"Why?!" you may ask.
Simply: if D&D goes under, Forgotten Realms goes with it. Seriously, they will not support settings if their core rules fall into being shelved.
I wouldn't bet on that. I suspect the revenue from novels is much bigger than the revenue from game materials and there are more novel reader only FR fans than actual FR D&D players |
| Delwa |
Posted - 21 May 2014 : 17:59:11
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
quote:
Originally posted by Delwa
I really don't get the complaint on pricing. Everything they've published recently has been about the same SRP, so I wasn't surprised. To me, the system is easy enough to tinker with, I can get tons of gaming out of those core books alone, and I've already got my gaming group on board with the edition change, so it's well worth the money. But your milage may vary.
The complaint on pricing, at least for me, is based on Pathfinder pricing. With Pathfinder, there is a single Core Rulebook -- it's the PHB and DMG combined. And it's $50 for that one book.
So $50 for one book that has everything, or $50 each for two books. It should be easy to see why some people would prefer the former.
I understand that, to a degree. Yet two things confuse me about that argument. First, Pathfinder had a proven ruleset they knew people would buy. They could reasonably gamble everything on one throw and win.
Second, Mike Mearls has said via Twitter that the Next PHB will be all you need to play a campaign. What he means by that is pure speculation, he's being closed mouthed about further info,but if that's true, then the PHB sounds similar to the Pathfinder Core Book, and will be worth the price.  |
| Wooly Rupert |
Posted - 21 May 2014 : 17:20:54
quote:
Originally posted by Delwa
I really don't get the complaint on pricing. Everything they've published recently has been about the same SRP, so I wasn't surprised. To me, the system is easy enough to tinker with, I can get tons of gaming out of those core books alone, and I've already got my gaming group on board with the edition change, so it's well worth the money. But your milage may vary.
The complaint on pricing, at least for me, is based on Pathfinder pricing. With Pathfinder, there is a single Core Rulebook -- it's the PHB and DMG combined. And it's $50 for that one book.
So $50 for one book that has everything, or $50 each for two books. It should be easy to see why some people would prefer the former. |
| Delwa |
Posted - 21 May 2014 : 16:18:07
quote:
Originally posted by Dalor Darden
I'm buying them.
"Why?!" you may ask.
Simply: if D&D goes under, Forgotten Realms goes with it. Seriously, they will not support settings if their core rules fall into being shelved.
I'm not just buying them for that either. I like the feel I've had so far...so I'm in. I mean, seriously, $150 every few years...I spend many more times that in fast food every year for my kids!
Hear hear! I'll second that. Additionally, I'm getting them because the rule system works amazingly well for me. The prior editions were fun for me, with one exception, but I feel like I can immerse myself in the mechanics of this one more.
I really don't get the complaint on pricing. Everything they've published recently has been about the same SRP, so I wasn't surprised. To me, the system is easy enough to tinker with, I can get tons of gaming out of those core books alone, and I've already got my gaming group on board with the edition change, so it's well worth the money. But your milage may vary. |
| Khelben |
Posted - 21 May 2014 : 11:55:30
quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos
I'm buying my PH at GEN-CON and getting Ed to sign it. Worth it for that alone!
I wish I Would be able to do the same. Very Big fan of Ed and The Realms.. I'll definately buy the ph from my local dnd shop, as I have for the last 30 years.. |
| George Krashos |
Posted - 21 May 2014 : 09:47:11
I'm buying my PH at GEN-CON and getting Ed to sign it. Worth it for that alone!
-- George Krashos |
| Dalor Darden |
Posted - 21 May 2014 : 04:17:21
I'm buying them.
"Why?!" you may ask.
Simply: if D&D goes under, Forgotten Realms goes with it. Seriously, they will not support settings if their core rules fall into being shelved.
I'm not just buying them for that either. I like the feel I've had so far...so I'm in. I mean, seriously, $150 every few years...I spend many more times that in fast food every year for my kids! |
| Gyor |
Posted - 21 May 2014 : 03:10:44
I may rethink the starter set, it doesn't have character creation rules. There is something between the starter set and the PH that will have character creation rules. This needs to be full explained by Mike Mearls as I am confused. |
